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camden town in london to birmingham would be 120 miles and well within the range of an ev, and even then you could really just take a train and it'd probably be cheaper
Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me
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How much do Europeans generally drive around per trip? I've heard stories of them not visiting their parents for years for the sole reason that they are a 20 minute drive away
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...That's still the same overlord. I didn't mean "going from one anglo dump to another".
That's nonsense. Europeans rarely drive more than an hour a day, mostly we'll tolerate at most 30-45 minutes of commuting, but driving a few hours to visit family is fine, and if you live further than that you'll take the train or a flight a few times a year for the big holidays.
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Electric cars in North America need like 300-600 km range to be effectively useful for most people, but it does sound like Europeans can be comfortable with a 100-150km range, which would make the electric cars dramatically cheaper. That would take the cost of the battery pack from $20,000 alone to $3,000-$5,000, which I suppose makes an electric car under $20,000 rather viable. With smaller batteries they might be a little less flammable, but would be lighter with longer lasting components.
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It doesn't really matter what the people want, only what the government wants, and they want everyone to take the bus. It's basically impossible to get a street plan through in western Europe if there are parking lots or garages on it. You will take the bus and you will be diseased and molested and just miserable.
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The only small EVs that would fit that criteria would be Chinese ones, which are unreliable death traps that will cause even more problems in the future. And that's why Chinese EVs are becoming more and more common in Australia, Southeast Asia (BYD is becoming huge in Thailand as one example), and Europe, so that unsuspecting buyers will buy them, and will have to deal with all of the problems they have, i.e. battery files, electronic and mechanical failures, range degradation, and severe depreciation.
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Does Suzuki not make electric cars? Something like a Suzuki Swift or a Neo Geo as an electric would be good right?
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Suzuki did recently reveal a small EV CUV, the e Vitara:
However, it's unlikely that Suzuki will return to the US to sell them here. As for small EVs in the US, the only other actual small EV is the Fiat 500e, but it is VERY overpriced for its small size and pitiful range, to the point that it makes the Nissan Leaf look like a luxury car, even with it's outdated charging plug and battery technology.
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Kei cars are never going to pass crash safety regulations outside Asia.
Unfortunately, they can be really cute.
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Too bad we didn't have like a car train system, where you have your kei car for zipping around town or the city, and if you want to go to another city you drive onto a high speed train that takes you there while your car recharges.
South East Asia has its own spec of cars from the Japanese makers. There's also duty relief for ASEAN made cars (Philippines charges 40% at the border if made in say Japan over Thailand).
So Honda will sell the CRV and HRV as std in most markets but in SEA they also have the BRV, and Toyota has the Veloz or whatever the fuck it is.
Thailand is kinda get fucked over at the moment because they have a large car part industry for the Japanese carmakers and Chinese EVs are cutting into that demand.
If you do sit in a car in SEA that is to their spec it is like going back to 1995 with the interior trims and steel they use (the clunk of a door shutting). The only difference is really they have the side cameras as std that engage when turning because of all the scooters.
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For true JDM cars, They can, but it often involves heavy re-tooling, and I only know of two-seaters/roadsters making it over, like the Suzuki Cappuccino, which was approved officially in the UK.
Otherwise, they're either whitelabelled trash (Peugeot iOn, Citroën C-Zero), different models (The Wagon R is not the same as the R+), or they're cars that just so happen to barely fit kei requirements with minor tweaks (Smart ForTwo is one).
In the end, as cool as Kei cars are, they're just not what the markets want in droves, the US buys SUVs and Trucks, the EU spends on SUVs, Sedans, and small cars, and most of Africa either buys whatever is imported, or prioritize cheap, large vehicles (think Honda Element or Ford Transit Connect)
Europe may look like it's a potential market, but people don't buy "small" cars because they're small, they only buy them because they're cheap.
You can get a car with most modern bells and whistles for 15k GBP, or 130 GBP per month on lease, with the average yuropoor salary, it's the only option for many people.
Getting a kei-sized car up to standard would cost more than just adding more crumple zone.
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I've been traveling this week in my not-Tesla.
Having 400+ miles range is very nice. Oops, charger full, oh well, I'll just go to the next one, 150 miles away. It did mean I had to add 15 minutes to my next stop to make it to the following stop. And tonight's hotel charger is only going to add maybe 30% overnight.
Earlier this week was able to do similar, running late but added extra at my first stop so I skipped my second stop entirely.
It's a fuckton easier than an EV that can never miss a stop.
Having 400+ miles range is very nice. Oops, charger full, oh well, I'll just go to the next one, 150 miles away. It did mean I had to add 15 minutes to my next stop to make it to the following stop. And tonight's hotel charger is only going to add maybe 30% overnight.
Earlier this week was able to do similar, running late but added extra at my first stop so I skipped my second stop entirely.
It's a fuckton easier than an EV that can never miss a stop.
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I guess the only thing that prevents liberals from rejecting electric cars wholesale solely to stick it to Elon is the fact that Tesla doesn't necessarily have a monopoly on electric cars.
I wouldn't be surprised if it still happened, tho.
I hope someone sues Tesla over blinding headlights. Honestly, this piece of shit is not safe for the rest of road users. I am seriously considering turning on my high beams for those fucks.
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My high beams are lower than their low beams. It's not just Teslas, but basically all new cars now with horrible super bright LED headlights. I think the NHTSA regulations basically say you can have ∞ lumens as long as it's below a certain angle. Doesn't help when roads are bumpy and headlights might be misaligned.
My vehicle sits pretty low, Model 3 are the worst offenders, sure all LED headlights suck but theirs are something else.
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This predates LED by a long way. It started with the introduction of High Intensity Discharge lights, some time in the early aughts. They became a common after-market upgrade for BMWs (which were already notorious for bright headlights; one of the reasons they're called nicknamed Beamers). HID xenon bulbs became almost mandatory after 2010, as manufacturers all chased the "biggest, brightest, sportiest" look with their super-bright headlights and "sporty fog lights" that everyone always left on all the time, which turned what should be a peaceful nighttime drive into endless blinding walls of suffering.
The problem these days is car height differences. Everything is a crossover these days, which means the lights are typically more than 3' above the ground and will shine right in your fucking face if you're driving an older vehicle. Combine that with HID-mimicking LED and you soon find yourself wishing for death on the road.
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