🐟 Fishtank Sam Hyde's Fishtank.live General - Jet Neptune's Little House of Horrors

[username1811]

I think the wiggers still had "uhhhh we have to have voting" in their head from Famous House, not making the obvious realization that voting is fucking retarded in Fishtank rules.

I think it was all Jet pushing the voting stuff. You can definitely tell in the way Sam disagreed with him in the final talk in the RV and Jet kept coping. Not saying Sam’s ideas would have been better but I think he has better hindsight than Jet who seems to cope and seethe when the audience doesn’t like his vision or his bits. The prison experiment case in point.

 

[anliteralidiot]

Tell the fish they can only vote for uninteresting people, and any votes for interesting people will be thrown out. Keep a shark in the voting booth to approve votes, or throw them out.

 

[bookers]

The audience is too retarded to vote
The fish are too retarded to vote
and production is too retarded to vote
who does that leave?

 

[cohle]

"Peed4Sneed" on twitter made an extremely well done and highly detailed 3D rendered recreation of the season 3 house you can download for free. I tried it out it's super cool. You just need to save it to your desktop to get it working.

https://x.com/Peed4Sneed/status/1865911376604209251

https://www.mediafire.com/file/kw0q41zyu2t7u33/Fishtank_Season_3_virtual_house_tour.zip/file

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took a few screenshots

Spoiler: more

 

[LowlyPheasent]

Fundamentally Fishtank is not a normal reality show and it should not have voting eliminations, period.

Depends on the situation and how it's done. If they do it in a smart manner (lmao) they could get out who they wanted and it gives the fish illusion of some control over the situation which depending on their mental state and the situation may be good. Ultimately them giving out immunity to a fish in an upcoming vote or having a challenge obviously fucking over x fish or obviously being stacked in fish y's favor will show bias to the fish either way. Challenges and vote elims also keep the ruse of "it's a game show" going.

The out of sight eliminations of Teddy and Smack were very funny though and also a good thing to do. I think a combination of everything is in order like they did S3 here, but the voting mechanic was kinda dumb in the case of Mizzy. In the case of Simbal I'd argue it was warranted while it was a "popularity" contest of sorts the fish all knew of it in advance and Simbal crashed and burned in that challenge socially. He knew what was going on and shot himself in the foot with everyone, he really had no one but himself to blame for that challenge. The only failure eliminations I'd say were Luke, losing Alex to the ogress, and Mizzy over Payton or Binx.

 

[anliteralidiot]

losing Alex to the ogress

Alex didn't leave until Connor left, and Connor left because of Frank.

They didn't lose Alex to the Ogre, they lost him because he's a coward, and didn't want to leave alone, or be the first to leave.

The out of sight eliminations of Teddy and Smack were very funny though and also a good thing to do

I disagree, because they also really fucked up the paranoia among the fish. I was rewatching the reveal last night, and the out-of-sight eliminations were brought up constantly, because the fish were having the rug pulled, and they were freaking out that the old screenshots were other competitors.

I think if they were seen getting eliminated, and the fish knew the reason, we wouldn't have lost La'Ron, and maybe not Alexis.

 

[Terror Sandwich]

If they want voting then production should pick the 2 or 3 most most boring fucks and have the fish choose between those.
It would also have the benefit of making it clear for the fish that being boring puts you in danger, and would probably lead nontents to try harder to be interesting.

Now, when it was Famous House 1, voting was necessary because they had to pretend to be a real reality show. Luckily they had Ian who was so boring it was an easy first elimination

The first would have been Luke if he was still there, and Simbal if he didn't have the immunity.
Voting makes "bad guys" become the target, which is the opposite of what the audience wants.

 

[Norstein Bekkler]

said it before and i'll say it again, elimination should only be done if the contestant is refusing to participate, because half the cast either ends up walking, or gets removed by production for unforeseen circumstances every season anyways.
s1 - mauro and damiel walked. simmons got axed. (3/8 )
didn't watch much of s2, but i remember jc walking, and summer, jimmy and cole getting pulled. (4/10)
s3 - luke got pulled, ted was in the know, lexi, la'ron and alex walked. smaack got mercy killed (literally 6/12 contestants)

jon got eliminated in season 1 because he started having an autistic pity party/meltdown and was refusing to participate in half the challenges. this is the exact reason, and method people should be removed from the show.

 

[filthypenguin]

The whole reason Jet wants voting is to give the fish agency. The show has to feel like a game that you win by playing the best. If eliminations are arbitrary, there's no game.

Disregarding the reasons everyone has already brought up about why voting is bad (the most disruptive fish gets voted out), another problem is that the fish on the losing end of the vote have no agency. Mizzy wanted to leave or attain freeloader status as soon as she realized she had no chance to win in a voting game, but was willing to walk nonstop to attain immunity and "Dark Mizzler" only happened when she was lead to believe getting someone to quit would push back the elimination.

What if they run the voting as is, but give all the fish a method for attaining immunity that isn't skill based? For example, stealing and reading a journal without telling the victim that production put them up to it is something that doesn't require skill, only the willingness to be a villain. Stealing clothes/makeup and starting food fights would also work.

 

[LowlyPheasent]

Alex didn't leave until Connor left, and Connor left because of Frank.

They didn't lose Alex to the Ogre, they lost him because he's a coward, and didn't want to leave alone, or be the first to leave.

I disagree, because they also really fucked up the paranoia among the fish. I was rewatching the reveal last night, and the out-of-sight eliminations were brought up constantly, because the fish were having the rug pulled, and they were freaking out that the old screenshots were other competitors.

I disagree, after the Ogress left it was obviously the beginning of the end when Binx was back. He knew his wife would be pissed and he'd very well be staring down a barrel again. The wild Randy shit and Connor were the excuse, not the actual cause. There's no way that the threat of his psycho wife was not what incentivized him to leave.

The paranoia was fine especially going into the rugpull. Teddy there really wasn't a better option with and it enabled them to fuck with Alex for a while with that hide and seek bit but he really didn't have the attention span to carry that out.

 

[skrod]

Jet is dumb. When Sam and him were talking about the things that went wrong on the night before the season finale, Sam kept saying that he now understood voting eliminations don't work for fishtank because it incentivizes being boring and passive. Jet kept disagreeing and pushing the merits of voting eliminations while Sam seemingly tried to get Jet to understand, which he refused to do. Jet seems to be mostly concerned with the "gameplay" of the show and "gamifying" things, based on his talk before Famous House 2 where he discussed the final act and plans for season 3. What he doesn't understand is that the game of reality tv is simply a means of creating drama and stakes for the audience and contestants. The primary concern should always be putting on a good show, everything else including the core rules of the game should be secondary. It's why every reality tv competition is fake and/or rigged. Unfortunately, the level at which fishtank can learn and improve from past mistakes hits a low ceiling with Goran who is permanently seated in the director's chair.

 

[linchan]

I think people are missing that a lot of these problems would resolved if they got more fishes that are stubbornly resilient and retarded enough. We need contestants with the skin to tough it out, but suggestable enough that you can gas light them to keep playing the game.

 

[The Blue Morpho]

Fundamentally Fishtank is not a normal reality show and it should not have voting eliminations, period. Jet even kinda acknowledged that (although he refuses to fully admit voting is flawed and should simply not be done at all):

If they do voting they need to do it like real life and rig it in favor of the people they want to keep in. The show is entirely arbitrary anyway and its rules are just set-dressing, as this season has so beautifully demonstrated. And you know what? I don't really care anymore because the alternative is gay retarded shit like Mizzy getting voted out instead of Payton.

Will the fish find out? If they keep doing votes then yeah probably, but after the season hits a certain tempo all that stuff fades into the background anyway. At that point the fish don't care about the lack of clear rules because of the sunk cost and the fishtank-induced mental illness. The earliest votes will be easiest to rig due to the volume of votes anyway. Changing one or two to get the outcome you want won't arouse much suspicion. Gaslighting is part of the show already, and by the time enough fish are gone to allow the remaining ones to piece together that the votes are fake Frank Hassle has arrived and voting isn't even discussed anymore.

The only people production shouldn't be deceiving like that is the viewers. If we're in on it, it will be entertaining. Maybe give the audience some (very limited) agency through narrative polls. That also encourages people to sign up and watch through the site. Some audience gaslights are ok as long as they're for an entertaining bit and not frustrating for the viewers. The hostility between production and fans really hasn't fun and interferes with the show imo.

It's a fine line because, in a sense, it is true that most fans actually don't know what they want and they can be shitters. But fans are entitled to what they pay for as well and if they feel like production isn't delivering good value they're entitled to say so. It would be easier to keep faith with production if they demonstrated a little more transparency and a lot more competence, emphasis on the latter. Sam specifically shot down giving fans too much of a look behind the curtain and I know where he's coming from. I don't need production cams, I just want to be kept informed when irregular shit starts happening such as the fucking RV arc. But mainly I needed working fucking cams and decent audio on this "24/7" live show.

 

[Norstein Bekkler]

another thing I think would be neat: make fishbucks more common, more important, and more interactive

let the fish use their fishbucks to buy perks in the house, or to punish their opponents. let them spend their bucks on fishtoys like bed removal, hand cuffs, or that "shut the fuck up" bag. or to buy perks like getting the penthouse or doordash. hell you could even tie it into elimination by letting them spend large quantities of fishbucks to purchase limited immunity, or have another fish's ballot thrown out.

charge them fishbucks for basic amenities like laundry, or hell even charge them rent to stay in the house to make sure they're competing. fine them for things like whispering. or shit, send them to the 'jail' and make them pay to get out.

have daily earning opportunities and challenges. bring back the beef bell and let not only the competitors bet their fishbucks against each other, but the fish watching too.

it astounds me that sam and jet could come up with pages and pages of ways to gaslight idubbbz, including just goofy shit like "pretend we just found out what pokemon is", but they seemingly don't have a list of small challenges they could do with the fish every day. remember the mini challenge where simmons and jon had to cook with their hands taped together? funny as fuck. jon stomping the mustard is still one of the most iconic scenes in fishtank.

look at this glorious retard trying to turn on an open flame gas range with his teeth.

 

[filthypenguin]

Jet is dumb. When Sam and him were talking about the things that went wrong on the night before the season finale, Sam kept saying that he now understood voting eliminations don't work for fishtank because it incentivizes being boring and passive. Jet kept disagreeing and pushing the merits of voting eliminations while Sam seemingly tried to get Jet to understand, which he refused to do. Jet seems to be mostly concerned with the "gameplay" of the show and "gamifying" things, based on his talk before Famous House 2 where he discussed the final act and plans for season 3. What he doesn't understand is that the game of reality tv is simply a means of creating drama and stakes for the audience and contestants. The primary concern should always be putting on a good show, everything else including the core rules of the game should be secondary. It's why every reality tv competition is fake and/or rigged. Unfortunately, the level at which fishtank can learn and improve from past mistakes hits a low ceiling with Goran who is permanently seated in that director's chair.

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I think they're both right. Voting, as is, is terrible because it encourages being boring. Jet is right in that there needs to be a game for the fish to play, and that they need agency.
Sam's problem is that he wants to try something once without putting much time or effort into it and then abandon it if it doesn't work exactly the way he thinks it should. Jet's problem is that he refuses to accept that sometimes his ideas are bad.

Jet needs to come up with game that encourages the behavior they want to encourage. "BE ENTERTAINING" isn't specific enough.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

 

[Blitzsneed]

another thing I think would be neat: make fishbucks more common, more important, and more interactive

let the fish use their fishbucks to buy perks in the house, or to punish their opponents. let them spend their bucks on fishtoys like bed removal, hand cuffs, or that "shut the fuck up" bag. or to buy perks like getting the penthouse or doordash. hell you could even tie it into elimination by letting them spend large quantities of fishbucks to purchase limited immunity, or have another fish's ballot thrown out.

charge them fishbucks for basic amenities like laundry, or hell even charge them rent to stay in the house to make sure they're competing. fine them for things like whispering. or shit, send them to the 'jail' and make them pay to get out.

They already tried that with the casino chips on S2, but it fell apart rather quickly. The idea still has potential, but the amount of challenges which don't suck are the core issue here.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

They already tried that with the casino chips on S2, but it fell apart rather quickly. The idea still has potential, but the amount of challenges which don't suck are the core issue here.

I am not a showrunner or a producer but I'm not completely retarded. I feel like there needs to be some test idea or test group to see what works. I've maintained that S3 was the best, and I will die on this hill post-Tank.

In an ideal situation, Sam and Jet are able to put their pride aside and see what works and what doesn't. Obviously, a RV season could work WITH PROPER PLANNING ahead. I've noticed this with every season there's a drop-off towards the end, which I get it's 6 weeks of content but shouldn't you try and plan to avoid that if you're now going onto your 4th season?

 

[Sicko Hunter]

Imagine if voting was present on season 1, Letty would've gotten voted off fast.

Your point about Letty here is really good. If season 1 had the same voting system season 3 had the finale would have been Vance vs Josie. Really think about that. Vance who is incapable of being mean to anyone and Josie who would be stimming and mostly silent. That would have been fucking awful. It would have been a sure thing to by the last couple weeks Letty was the house pariah every single person including production hated her and wanted her gone.

 

[filthypenguin]

Your point about Letty here is really good. If season 1 had the same voting system season 3 had the finale would have been Vance vs Josie. Really think about that. Vance who is incapable of being mean to anyone and Josie who would be stimming and mostly silent. That would have been fucking awful. It would have been a sure thing to by the last couple weeks Letty was the house pariah every single person including production hated her and wanted her gone.

Yeah I think this why relying on only voting won't work. If it's a straight vote with fish, fans, or production, Letty loses. Production caught on that they need a villain in season one when there were only three people left. I can't figure out of they were giving Simbal immunity only so that he'd survive until Frank and then stopped after that, or if they were trying to keep him as the Letty character and fucked up the FH 2.0 elimination.

The eliminations need to involve agency from the fish so that they're motivated to do something and target only people who make the show worse (ideally) and those who don't contribute.

The "hate" vote from the audience might be a good way to do that, the person with the most endorsements and the person with the most negative endorsements both have immunity. If this is made known to the fish somehow it gives them agency. They don't even need a full understanding, just "The audience has given these two fish immunity" would probably be enough. When it's down to three people, if all three are good they can do a three way finale like Season 2, or if the middle fish is bad they can just give them the time/date of the last elimination before the finale to encourage them to attempt to overtake one of the other two, which is what they did with Vance. Season 1 that would have ended with Josie vs Letty, Season 3 would have ended with Burt vs either Simbal (which would have been good based on the cell challenge) or Burt vs Mizzy (which probably would have been good based on Dark Burt). Might need to reset endorsements after every elimination so there's not momentum based on people who stopped watching after week one.

This relies on the audience not gaming the system to not pick someone like Payton as most hated just to save her, but the audience is retarded so it'll probably work (especially if Sam outright tells the camera that there needs to be a villain or the show doesn't work).