Not Just Bikes / r/fuckcars / Urbanists / New Urbanism / Car-Free / Anti-Car - People and grifters who hate personal transport, freedom, cars, roads, suburbs, and are obsessed with city planning and urban design

[Kiska]

To surmise - this is about what these people preach and not the people themselves since it seems to be equally quite contentious, I don't give a fuck about "new urbanists", they annoy me to shit.

These urbanism spergs really irk me but I do generally agree with a lot of their city ideas minus them being faggots and their totalitarian anti car boner. The problem I have with how a lot of north american cities I view is more or less them being a dystopian interpretation of "pods". Good architecture, healthy outdoor exercising, using a bicycle to relax on a trail without having to be a bikefag, having positive relationships with neighbors, daily commutes in 300 mph trains, those retarded dahir insaat pipedream inventions, etc are all unviable for those that live in such pod cities (a good example is Phoenix, AZ). One of the cities I grew up while living in the mainland was pretty much exactly like this.

In such a pod city, your house, work, school, and life is basically all pods, including your means of travel. You wake up in your matchstick duplicated HOA house, get your ass and tune out reality in you see no stranger or neighbor's face and embark on your journey to work. Going around, you see nothing but a sea of other pods as you get slightly irritated that today's commute will take you 3 hours on the I-280 880 980 1080 or whatever due to construction. You show up to your office, a pod which is surrounded by a maze of parking spots, with the building being a prefab built by shipping containers from China. You finish and decide to go shopping, more pod travelling on concrete, oh great gridlock because shart tuah girl is doing a live show and everyone's going to it. Pull up at the costco warehouse from idiocracy (you also go to law school there) and fight the battle of finding a spot anywhere within half a mile since you already wasted 2 hours driving to get there and just want to wrap up your day out quick. Return home, it's already dark and you don't wanna get spooked outside so you decide to not do your daily jog on the side of the 6 lane road.

In turn, american architecture and design is also dead because why waste money on something people will only speed past?
I think cars are fine too, but many states take things too far with how they make their use into the "pod".

The California HSR has been under construction for how many years now?

In less time that it's taken California to lay down a single mile of high speed rail, entire countries like China have gone from 0 to thousands of them. I genuinely believe Americans have lost the ability to make the level of infrastructure they did like when they mass manufactured the interstate system around ~50-75 years ago, which is why such projects end up going nowhere.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

@Atypical Dog congrats on your honorary American citizenship!

They must have swallowed that "rich ride public transit" line hard because in reality, any place where cars aren't a commodity (America, Europe) they're luxuries. I know this is endemic to Reddit as a whole, but this has to be one of the most severe examples of people who believe they're educated and know better than others but have a complete disconnect from reality.

 

[Seymour Duncan]

the result is either it's really good because it's basically a glorified teleportation system or it's under constructed because it's a game focused on stealing cars.

It has to be because there's no usable middle ground for a "realistic" system. You're there to play a game and being driven around by someone else at a realistic pace means you're sat on your ass doing sweet fuck all for several minutes at a time, which is a lot more attractive in real life since you get to avoid the mundane chores of city driving, but in a video game it's basically being locked in a gay baby jail away from gameplay until the timer expires. Making it a teleport network is the only way to actually make it a usable alternative in the constraints of a video game since you get to choose between engaging with the driving gameplay or skipping the filler in favor of getting to the next story mission faster.

 

[Midwit]

Making it a teleport network is the only way to actually make it a usable alternative in the constraints of a video game since you get to choose between engaging with the driving gameplay or skipping the filler in favor of getting to the next story mission faster.

I prefer having the option of watching or teleporting myself, whether or not I use it depends on how fun the driving is.

In such a pod city, your house, work, school, and life is basically all pods, including your means of travel

If you reduce every covered structure and vehicle to being a pod, sure. Trains are just a line of pods and busses are big pods, and even if you had a good relationship with your neighbour's they'd still be pod people. Tl;dr your mum's a pod lmao.

 

[Kiska]

your mum's a pod lmao.

She certainly ingested many tide pods.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

To surmise - this is about what these people preach and not the people themselves since it seems to be equally quite contentious, I don't give a fuck about "new urbanists", they annoy me to shit.

These urbanism spergs really irk me but I do generally agree with a lot of their city ideas minus them being faggots and their totalitarian anti car boner. The problem I have with how a lot of north american cities I view is more or less them being a dystopian interpretation of "pods". Good architecture, healthy outdoor exercising, using a bicycle to relax on a trail without having to be a bikefag, having positive relationships with neighbors, daily commutes in 300 mph trains, those retarded dahir insaat pipedream inventions, etc are all unviable for those that live in such pod cities (a good example is Phoenix, AZ). One of the cities I grew up while living in the mainland was pretty much exactly like this.

In such a pod city, your house, work, school, and life is basically all pods, including your means of travel. You wake up in your matchstick duplicated HOA house, get your ass and tune out reality in you see no stranger or neighbor's face and embark on your journey to work. Going around, you see nothing but a sea of other pods as you get slightly irritated that today's commute will take you 3 hours on the I-280 880 980 1080 or whatever due to construction. You show up to your office, a pod which is surrounded by a maze of parking spots, with the building being a prefab built by shipping containers from China. You finish and decide to go shopping, more pod travelling on concrete, oh great gridlock because shart tuah girl is doing a live show and everyone's going to it. Pull up at the costco warehouse from idiocracy (you also go to law school there) and fight the battle of finding a spot anywhere within half a mile since you already wasted 2 hours driving to get there and just want to wrap up your day out quick. Return home, it's already dark and you don't wanna get spooked outside so you decide to not do your daily jog on the side of the 6 lane road.

In turn, american architecture and design is also dead because why waste money on something people will only speed past?
I think cars are fine too, but many states take things too far with how they make their use into the "pod".

In less time that it's taken California to lay down a single mile of high speed rail, entire countries like China have gone from 0 to thousands of them. I genuinely believe Americans have lost the ability to make the level of infrastructure they did like when they mass manufactured the interstate system around ~50-75 years ago, which is why such projects end up going nowhere.

The whole "live in the pod" meme originates from cubicle-style apartments or big dorm rooms that you share with strangers, or otherwise "own nothing and be happy" type rhetoric.

This faggotry of calling houses "pods" as some sort of false equivalence has already been discussed to death earlier in the thread. It also has the faggotry of the extreme hyperbole Reddit uses (and then later believes) like "three hours on the highway to work". It's not clever, it's not thought-provoking, it's not funny, and it's certainly not true, so why do it?

 

[indomitable snowman]

In less time that it's taken California to lay down a single mile of high speed rail, entire countries like China have gone from 0 to thousands of them. I genuinely believe Americans have lost the ability to make the level of infrastructure they did like when they mass manufactured the interstate system around ~50-75 years ago, which is why such projects end up going nowhere.

to be fair, the Chinese HSR is made of corncobs and pig iron.

 

[Logo Daedalus]

Whenever I see this thread popping up in the Community Watch I remember when I met a r/fuckcars janny elsewhere and he really did turned out to be a suburban unemployed zoophile libtard neet nigger (maybe a pedo too but i haven't looked this far, just DMd him some TND gore right away)

 

[TowinKarz]

Also "uses the same land" and "has the same costs" aren't remotely the same thing. Putting in a fucking elevated train systems of any length costs BILLIONS above a fucking highway, but I guess when you're a hippy dippy costs aren't irrelevant because you aren't paying anything anyway

They also are completely hung up on the volume, and as long as the volume "equals out" , then their solution is feasible. Any and all construction/zoning/financial details aside.

Like someone else said, when you consider that very few local people run that freeway completely from end to end? A train that covered the same distance, point to point? Would be largely devoid of ridership. Few trips start at one end of the Katy and end at the other.



It would have the same capacity in theory, but not in practice. As nobody would use a system where they'd have to go past their destination and then backtrack....

The "in practice" is where the anticar people make the logical mistake, constantly.

Like, just because a 50,000 seat sports venue occupies "X" acres does not mean that 50,000 people can live there full time year-round, (Even more if we get rid of the parking lots and just go by the footprint of the stadium itself!)

Because stadiums aren't meant to be lived in. You're meant to be able to comfortably spend 4 or so hours there without endangering your health or sanity.... they aren't comfortable, they aren't really shielding you from the elements, the ability for you to get more than token amounts of food or go to the bathroom doesn't mean you can do that all the time.

But to the urbanist, the only number they look at, is the raw population.

48,643 people were there last Sunday, none of them died, ergo, putting that many people in a concrete bowl is a proven concept!

That is all they think about.

As I've said before these people's goals are confusing and arbitrary. What I've been going off of lately is that they mostly they just run off of spite. They have no fixed beliefs it's all just in spite.

Spite is a very effective fixed belief, though.

It's kept that very unhappy and factious community together for 10 years, right?

 

[Return of the Freaker]

In less time that it's taken California to lay down a single mile of high speed rail, entire countries like China have gone from 0 to thousands of them. I genuinely believe Americans have lost the ability to make the level of infrastructure they did like when they mass manufactured the interstate system around ~50-75 years ago, which is why such projects end up going nowhere.

Cali HSR failed because of bureaucracy and corruption. SNCF, the French rail operator, was originally a partner on the project but they pulled out to go help Morrocco instead because they kept butting heads with Cali politicians and pencil pushers. We could absolutely still do it, but we have to grease the right squeaky wheels with kickbacks, and we also found this totally super important obscure and endangered newt in the ROW so time to throw around more money to Experts for environmental impact study #7 and also we need to study the impact on water availability to this comunity of trans/two-spirit Latinx and Indiginous Americanx of color

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Because stadiums aren't meant to be lived in. You're meant to be able to comfortably spend 4 or so hours there without endangering your health or sanity.... they aren't comfortable, they aren't really shielding you from the elements, the ability for you to get more than token amounts of food or go to the bathroom doesn't mean you can do that all the time.

A better, more realistic example would be a motel room. I could spend a night or two at a (better) Days Inn, get takeout (pizza/snacks/whatever), use the bathroom, take a shower, and have a relatively peaceful sleep, but that's not an option for months or years on end, it would drive one stark raving mad.

 

[Kiska]

This faggotry of calling houses "pods" as some sort of false equivalence has already been discussed to death earlier in the thread. It also has the faggotry of the extreme hyperbole Reddit uses (and then later believes) like "three hours on the highway to work". It's not clever, it's not thought-provoking, it's not funny, and it's certainly not true, so why do it?

I genuinely don't really have a better way of describing what growing up in california felt like for me -at least I live in a rural place now where such issues don't really exist and I get to feel much better in a clean area.

 

[ComStar]

Same with me liking Fallout New Vegas. It's a game that has no driving in it entirely and what cars you do find are broken. But just because I like the game I'm not going to pretend that walking all the way from Primm to Las Vegas is something that's possible or something anyone should want to attempt.

Why, that's just a brisk 14 hour walk or 3 hour bike ride. Gym of life, chud. Wet your t-shirt and fill your panniers with water bottles. Or you could sit in a car for the roughly 40 minutes it takes from Buffalo Bill's to Caesar's Palace. I know what i'd choose, since Caesar's wouldn't let me in if i just stepped off my bike dripping with sweat and caked in dust.

Also not to forget that games where you walk they tend to truncate the actual scale of the map versus something in real life so that the player isn't holding the W key for an hour trying to get to the next town.

Thank fuck for that, if i had to walk from Goodsprings to Primm (or from Alexandria to Siwa) in real time i'd probably kill someone. or just console command myself to anywhere i need to go.

I do remember that Daggerfall had this immense and mostly uninteresting open world where running across the whole map in real time took several days. Technically impressive for the time, but utterly useless because fast travel was always available and cheap to boot. And once you hit Master Wizard the Mages Guild can just teleport you anywhere you want to go.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I genuinely don't really have a better way of describing what growing up in california felt like for me

I don't believe that unless you're really that stupid, much like how people use a lot of curse words in every conversation because their vocabulary is too limited to elaborate what they actually mean. If you actually do mean that, it's been speculated that Redditors are just miserable/bored/lonely/poor/thoroughly unlikable people and project that misery on the city and specifically its road network.

Every once in a while there's a post on Reddit about someone who moved to a "transit" city and surprise, surprise, their life isn't magically fixed.

 

[SpiderBitch]

/r/fuckcars user moves from a car-dependent American suburb to walkable Tokyo, but doesn't like being squished on the train:

Now imagine the same situation, but with demographics with significantly worse behaviour/smell/etc than the japanese. That is the truth of the public transport rush hours is most big cities, especially when there's some defect or whatever (extremely common) causing some rides to get cancelled/ride less often.

If you hate it in Japan imagine what the Paris/London/etc metros are like during rush or god forbid, some place like India, and you see why a lot of people choose to drive if they can. Someone leaning on you/standing in the way is the least of your concern.

Spoiler

Also, somewhat unrelated but tourists dont get to drool about a countries public transport even if they 'technically' experienced it. 99% the time tourists are travelling during the low hours, either unintentionally due to sleeping in, going out for dinner etc, or intentionally so they dont have to deal with rush.
They haven't truly experienced the public transport until they're standing ass to ass with some schizophrenic hobo at 7 am on their way to a full day of work, and then repeat in the evening, ~5 days in a row.

 

[Atypical Dog]

With all these dead store fronts now's the perfect time to open shop and prove all these car loving chuds a lesson.

Open up a bike shop, a train ticketing office, and a sports store for running shoes, biker's Lycra garments, and big knives to slash tires with.

Everything else is ancillary. It’s obvious in games where they just abstract it all away and only have the things needed for the game, but it’s true in real life, also.

For most people, most of even a smaller town is “unknown and unnecessary”.

Attempting to 100% the map of a game area: Easy, usually fun.
Attempting to 100% the map of a real life area: bro wtf

WTF are these people complaining about? I've been to the town this is in (Caernarfon) many times. I know the area well. Well enough to know that if you tried to put a car park basically anywhere else there, you'd have to demolish a large amount of housing and mixed-use development (exactly the kind of city planning urbanists love). The castle is the biggest tourist attraction in Caernarfon by far. Having the car park be right next to the castle is convenient both for tourists and for the local residents.

The moat of cars is an obstacle to anyone trying to bring siege towers or trebuchets to besiege the walls, as well as breaking up the formationis of approaching infantry. This is an very historical addition.

@Atypical Dog congrats on your honorary American citizenship!
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This guy is really mad that Filipinos admire the United States:
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Why is everyone all around the world carbrained?!?!?:
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I'll believe it when I get to fly to my wife's aunt in Georgia or her second cousins in Vegas or Michigan visa-free. Until then, have some context.

The photo of Philippine traffic provided is from the Skyway, a toll road built above the existing highways of Metro Manila that serve as a way to quickly get from the north to the south of the metro area and vice versa. This job used to belong to the Circumferential roads, C-1 through C-5, but the city built out towards them during the 90s and 00s and turned them from bypass highways around Metro Manila into main roads. That's why they're working on a C-6.

The fact that the Skyway clogs is a sore point for locals because you already paid for it, why is it bad or clogged? Answer's rush hour. Lots of people use the Skyway exits within the city to move from one part of the city to the other, with the main commuting routes within the city being North-South, so every rush hour the Skyway gets bricked.

As for people bragging about having a car, you'd brag about being able to get one too if most people are commuting via jeepney or tricycle or on motor scooters like the Honda Wave (about $1,000 at 60:1 PHP:USD) or Honda Click (about $1,100). Go ahead and browse this site's catalog, I've filtered for the commuter models. USD is currently about 58x PHP, so use 60 for ease of calculation.

Compare that to where brand new little entry-level kei cars start for us in the 600,000 to 700,000 PHP (10,000 USDish) range like the Toyota Wigo and Suzuki S-presso, you can definitely see how it's a flex. Even used, the newer model Wigos go for around 400k (6kish in USD), with some older S-pressos going for 300k (5kish). Cheap comes from old models with huge production runs, like this old 200k kilometer Toyota Vios for sale at 200k php (3kish dollars). Having a car is a big jump from having a motorbike.

Median salary is approximately 20,000 PHP (300 USD) a month, for an American-style gross income of 260,000 PHP (4,300 USD) a year, plus the traditional "13th month pay". You're earning a cut above if you can afford your own car - check out this blog for an explanation or your own industry here for average figures for your industry, useful for foreigners coming to outsource.

tl;dr regular people don't get cars here, they get bikes, so a car is a flex the same way living in a house that's too big or having a brand new car from the highest trims is.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Not Just Bikes, that dumb Canadian guy seems to be seething now.

 

[DavidS877]

Not Just Bikes, that dumb Canadian guy seems to be seething now.

In case anyone is wondering what this horrible law is doing.

Ontario passed divisive legislation Monday that will prevent municipalities from adding certain new bike lanes and removing others on three main Toronto roads – a sign, the opposition says, that the premier is too focused on fighting Toronto battles instead of provincial ones.

The fast-tracked bill requires municipalities to ask the province for permission to install bike lanes when they would remove a lane of vehicle traffic, and also goes one step further and removes sections of Bloor Street, Yonge Street and University Avenue bike lanes and restores them as lanes for vehicle traffic.

Full Article: https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/11...sive-bill-to-remove-block-certain-bike-lanes/
Archive: https://archive.is/ihqSn

 

[Yamamura]

The urbanists are complaining this is provincial overreach but they know if this was the other way around and a fast tracked bill to get bike lanes installed (which similar has happened in the past) they would praise it. So I can happily tell them to get fucked.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

In case anyone is wondering what this horrible law is doing.


Full Article: https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/11...sive-bill-to-remove-block-certain-bike-lanes/
Archive: https://archive.is/ihqSn

Jason and friends pretend bike lanes will reduce vehicular traffic as people switch to bikes and more efficient transportation and free up the road network (he has, in fact, claimed this in one of his videos). Clearly in Toronto this hasn't been the case, yet Jason will NEVER admit he was wrong.