Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Optimus Prime]

I think it's also important to take whatever Trump says he will do with a grain of salt. He may say he will do x, y, z tomorrow, but then next week will do a, b, c, instead (most of the time), though that was from his first term, he might be different for his last term, or maybe not.

The biggest limit on Trump's first term was a lot of his support staff were smarter and did everything they could to restrict his actions when necessary. I distinctly recall hearing one story about how one aide simply removing papers from Trump's desk when he wasn't looking completely stopped some executive action because Trump forgot about it.

Round 2 with Trump has him simply putting all the dick suckers he can muster in the White House specifically so nobody will tell him "no" even though he's still going to hit roadblocks, I.E. his insane mass immigrant deportation plan would require resources that simply do not exist in the volume required.

 

[World in Scarlet]

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The Russian collapse in Syria was so profound that the flag of the revolution is now flying over Moscow.

 

[-Jack-]

The Russian collapse in Syria was so profound that the flag of the revolution is now flying over Moscow.
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What's funny about the Syrian takeover is that only a couple of days before this the Russian (state) media were referring to the HST as terrorists and rather negatively, only until yesterday Russia are now kissing their ass because they do desperately want to keep their bases intact.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

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[World in Scarlet]

What's funny about the Syrian takeover is that only a couple of days before this the Russian (state) media were referring to the HST as terrorists and rather negatively, only until yesterday Russia are now kissing their ass because they do desperately want to keep their bases intact.

Just days ago, all the local vatniggers were bitching and moaning about how HTS is literally IS, and they're still posting their "Jolani is a terrorist" bullshit. Now talking about how this is actually a big win for Russia and the Syrian government (who is that again?) are totally begging them to stay there.
I noticed they started to crop out the "source" of their news though. I assume they got clowned on too much for screencapping known liars and propagandists.

Very honest individuals.
Totally not seething degenerates circle jerking lies to calm their hurt asses, because the child torture enthusiast they worship lost power, and now reality is unpleasantly intruding into their fantasy world at least temporarily.

 

[Ghostse]

I think it's also important to take whatever Trump says he will do with a grain of salt. He may say he will do x, y, z tomorrow, but then next week will do a, b, c, instead (most of the time), though that was from his first term, he might be different for his last term, or maybe not.

This is also important to consider, especially since Trump isn't in power yet, can't do anything, and thus everything he does is 100% hotair at this point. but my main point was A) head off the inevitable wave of "Zomg Trump is going to make Ukraine surrender" posting because if that's that AP headline I can only imagine what the "story" is running under in Cuckistan.
and B) preventing people from being duped by spurious "journalists" in the future by showing how the lugenpresse likes to distort information to spin their own narrative.

Just days ago, all the local vatniggers were bitching and moaning about how HTS is literally IS, and they're still posting their "Jolani is a terrorist" bullshit. Now talking about how this is actually a big win for Russia and the Syrian government (who is that again?) are totally begging them to stay there.
I noticed they started to crop out the "source" of their news though. I assume they got clowned on too much for screencapping known liars and propagandists.

Very honest individuals.
Totally not seething degenerates circle jerking lies to calm their hurt asses, because the child torture enthusiast they worship lost power, and now reality is unpleasantly intruding into their fantasy world at least temporarily.

TBCF Allie Jay is at minimum a FORMER terrorist. However so are the NeoTaliban. And while Afghanistan isn't a place I want to live, post take over it didn't descend into a country-wide orgy of violence, reprisal, genocide, and rape. The new leaders are actually taking steps to give all the various tribal and ethnic groups a stake in how the country is run. He hasn't turned his force into the Genocide Squad yet so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he does.

But yes, the cope about how this is akshully a massive win for Russia is pretty great. 2nd greatest military power in the world is too weak to secure its own bases, has to beg Turkey to try to keep the resident sand niggers from showing their thanks for all those hospital bombings, forced to evacuate in a humiliating run to the border because not even Turkey can control the genie that is now out of the bottle.

The Russian collapse in Syria was so profound that the flag of the revolution is now flying over Moscow.
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mmmm-hmmmm, that's some good cauldron building. Ukraine is finished.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I think it's also important to take whatever Trump says he will do with a grain of salt. He may say he will do x, y, z tomorrow, but then next week will do a, b, c, instead (most of the time), though that was from his first term, he might be different for his last term, or maybe not.

Yes but this also applies in reverse to all the ziggerfags who think Trump is gonna personally deliver Zelensky's head to Putin on a silver plate, disband NATO, pull out all US bases from Europe and the Middle East, cancel NGAD and PGS, shine Putin's shoes, wipe his ass and throw in a chunk of Alaska for good measure.

Realistically if Trump 1 is anything to go by, he's gonna marginally shift the paradigm from status quo but do so in a way that he can claim to his base that he's making BIG CHANGE!

But yes, the cope about how this is akshully a massive win for Russia is pretty great. 2nd greatest military power in the world is too weak to secure its own bases, has to beg Turkey to try to keep the resident sand niggers from showing their thanks for all those hospital bombings, forced to evacuate in a humiliating run to the border because not even Turkey can control the genie that is now out of the bottle.

It's funny because the US never made Bagrahm the lynchpin HQ of its air forces in the Middle East.
As much as the Afghan withdrawal was an embarrassing shitshow, and as much as I hate "all part of the plan" bullshit, the US never had intentions of basing US aircraft there indefinitely.

Tartus basically IS the Russian Mediterranean Fleet. This would be the US equivalent of losing Norfolk, if Norfolk were in like the Haiti or Greenland or some shit.

 

[No. 7 cat]

The Russian collapse in Syria was so profound that the flag of the revolution is now flying over Moscow.
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It certainly suggests Putin opted for no no 'government in exile' wankery, contra some reports. Assadism and Ba'athism have no constituency. Not even the Alawites fought for them in the final days and Christian towns were bombed by Russians / SAA. Yet Putin could fund it. Perhaps Putin is offering a sort of deal for his bases. No funding for evil Ba'ath retards who crushed the remains of dissidents after hanging them and left the luckier in perpetual darkness and in return the new govt lets Russia operate the bases. Even lunatics with no followers but themselves can do needless damage.

 

[Ghostse]

It's funny because the US never made Bagrahm the lynchpin HQ of its air forces in the Middle East.
As much as the Afghan withdrawal was an embarrassing shitshow, and as much as I hate "all part of the plan" bullshit, the US never had intentions of basing US aircraft there indefinitely.

Tartus basically IS the Russian Mediterranean Fleet. This would be the US equivalent of losing Norfolk, if Norfolk were in like the Haiti or Greenland or some shit.

Losing Tartus would be like the US losing Guam. Its not immediately government ending, but it is going to really make power projection significantly more expensive. But for Russia its more about the loss of prestige. This is also the second loyal moscow puppet dethroned in weeks a decade. The Head Niger In Charge and the Sudanese leadership probably are feeling a little nervous.


Small point of order: Bagraham had been shuttered for over a year before the final withdraw from Afghanistan. The US military was operating out of a section of Kabul International Airport, and it was expected the US would have some ongoing presence to the tune of the presence in Iraq (mostly drone operations) until Biden's state department fucked that up by ignoring the negotiated time table. It was mostly expected that Afghanistan would settle back into Northern Alliance/Taliban lines like they had been in the 90s, with the hope this time that Kabul wouldn't fall to the Taliban.
The general copium, as explained to me, was it would end up like Lebanon in that Kabul would be a "open city" where the official and impotent recognized government would exist while warlords and militia would slapfight over the countryside. The central government/ANA that didn't defacto become the Northern Alliance would be too weak to pose a threat, and the Warlords would be brought to the understanding "You are terrorists = No gibs allowed. Central Government = Not Terrorists = Gibs. Thus, if you leave the Central Government in charge and don't try to take power, you can pressure them into giving you a share of the gibs under the table."
The NeoTaliban subverted this expectation by reaching out to the warlords a head of time with "Now hear me out becasue this is going to sound completely crazy, but I'm just asking you think about it and not immediately dismiss it out of hand but: What if we DON'T keep on senselessly killing each other?"

It certainly suggests Putin opted for no no 'government in exile' wankery, contra some reports. Assadism and Ba'athism have no constituency. Not even the Alawites fought for them in the final days and Christian towns were bombed by Russians / SAA. Yet Putin could fund it. Perhaps Putin is offering a sort of deal for his bases. No funding for evil Ba'ath retards who crushed the remains of dissidents after hanging them and left the luckier in perpetual darkness and in return the new govt lets Russia operate the bases. Even lunatics with no followers but themselves can do needless damage.

If the New Syrian government offered Russia a single berth in Tartus for a non-armed auxiliary vessel in exchange for Al-Assad's head, I'm pretty sure they'd be getting a Biohazard:human remains package overnighted to them them the next day.

 

[No. 7 cat]

I was hoping for a Ceaucescu fair trial (a fond memory for all haters of communism) for the Assads but his forces had long ago evaporated, soldiers changing into civilian garb post haste and Assad timed his exit properly. The Ceaucescus patently hoped Securitate forces would hold back what they believed was some CIA coup (dictators come to believe their lies). The Assads at least were aware that no one would die for them. Putin would likely bundle them back to Syria for an actual warm water port not bottled up by NATO, given how how little he cares for those who fail him like the Armenians.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

You could say this is... Assad turn of events

 

[-Jack-]

I'm sure Russia will be willing to pay anything to keep those bases and for a newly formed government with a lot of instability, the cash is extremely attractive and with Turkey allegedly backdooring it also, I'm sure they'll keep them, early days though.

What I want to know is where Russia sent their Mediterranean fleet from their base, it was reported that on the 3rd they all left. But I'm pretty sure they can't go through Turkey to the black sea or through the artic because it's all iced over? Maybe Cuba?

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

What I want to know is where Russia sent their Mediterranean fleet from their base, it was reported that on the 3rd they all left. But I'm pretty sure they can't go through Turkey to the black sea or through the artic because it's all iced over? Maybe Cuba?

Haftar/LNA-controlled Tobruk in eastern Libya is a viable option in the short-term.

 

[East_Clintwood]

I'm sure Russia will be willing to pay anything to keep those bases and for a newly formed government with a lot of instability, the cash is extremely attractive

Not just cash, I'm sure the Russkies would be more than happy to pay in something like oil and/or gas, which might let the Syrians get an even better deal. The real question is whether or not it's worth it to deal with the people largely responsible for dragging their civil war out for a decade.

But I'm pretty sure they can't go through Turkey to the black sea or through the artic because it's all iced over? Maybe Cuba?

One of the Baltic bases makes the most sense to me, at least in the short term. Go back home for now and then see how things shake out with Syria, or whether or not they can get a base elsewhere if it doesn't.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Not just cash, I'm sure the Russkies would be more than happy to pay in something like oil and/or gas, which might let the Syrians get an even better deal. The real question is whether or not it's worth it to deal with the people largely responsible for dragging their civil war out for a decade.

Jihadists can be surprisingly flexible when it suits their interests. For example, they did nothing against China when China was persecuting Muslims because China is a counter-balance against America, the Great Satan which they despise in their hearts.

I can see the Russians and the Jihadists making a deal based on mutual need.

You could say this is... Assad turn of events

The Syrian Rebels just showed Putin what a "Special Military Operation" looks like.

Just days ago, all the local vatniggers were bitching and moaning about how HTS is literally IS, and they're still posting their "Jolani is a terrorist" bullshit. Now talking about how this is actually a big win for Russia and the Syrian government (who is that again?) are totally begging them to stay there.
I noticed they started to crop out the "source" of their news though. I assume they got clowned on too much for screencapping known liars and propagandists.

Very honest individuals.
Totally not seething degenerates circle jerking lies to calm their hurt asses, because the child torture enthusiast they worship lost power, and now reality is unpleasantly intruding into their fantasy world at least temporarily.

The Vatniks will always push what's convenient for them. They switch morals based on what works on the ground. They have no actual moral backbone.

It's why you have them accusing a Jew of leading Nazis against Russia, when not too long ago, these same Russia-loving twats were also sympathetic to white nationalist Neo-Nazis who were enemies of the multi-racial globalist Left. The same Left that sees Nazis as the worst enemy in the world, these Vatniks would call them supporters of Nazis.

 

[Ghostse]

I'm sure Russia will be willing to pay anything to keep those bases and for a newly formed government with a lot of instability, the cash is extremely attractive and with Turkey allegedly backdooring it also, I'm sure they'll keep them, early days though.

What I want to know is where Russia sent their Mediterranean fleet from their base, it was reported that on the 3rd they all left. But I'm pretty sure they can't go through Turkey to the black sea or through the artic because it's all iced over? Maybe Cuba?

I think the smart money would be send all surface ships to Cuba just incase the CIA starts getting ideas after seeing how easy Syria folded. But those tiny russian craft didn't do so great last time Putin sent them accross the Atlantic in an attempt to swing his dick.

And Turkey is definitely not going to let them into the Black Sea.

Not just cash, I'm sure the Russkies would be more than happy to pay in something like oil and/or gas, which might let the Syrians get an even better deal. The real question is whether or not it's worth it to deal with the people largely responsible for dragging their civil war out for a decade.

One of the Baltic bases makes the most sense to me, at least in the short term. Go back home for now and then see how things shake out with Syria, or whether or not they can get a base elsewhere if it doesn't.

Syria has lots of Oil and Gas, and the Ruble is all but worthless and Russia is having to rely on the exchange rate of Petrodollars to make government payroll. I don't think Turkey wants Russia in their playground, given their ties with Iran and how shit went down in Georgia/Ukraine.

Baltic is a problem for anything that isn't the Kilo because its not a NATO lake. They have to pass through several controlled straights to get to their berths.

hey did nothing against China when China was persecuting Muslims

China was also persecuting the other, bad sort of Moeslem. So it was Hallal.

 

[Clownish]

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

China was also persecuting the other, bad sort of Moeslem. So it was Hallal.

It's Halal when it needs to be. Jihadists are like Vatniks; they change their tune based on what's Haram at the moment.

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A Jew and a Moslem. I've seen worse ideas for buddy cop shows.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

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I mean Jews and Muslims are both semites so of course they look similar… that or the CIA clone factories are getting lazy.

 

[Ghostse]

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I mean Jews and Muslims are both semites so of course they look similar… that or the CIA clone factories are getting lazy.

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