Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[Mikoyan]

Every time I read about how some business needs more than the multiple private network spaces in IPv4, I'm forced to wonder what the fuck they could possibly be doing to be so utterly wasteful.

It gets worse than that, sometimes. I got an account of working at a major bank on the East Coast and all the PCs had their own IPv4 public address. They must have gotten one of the original /8 allocations or maybe a bit smaller.

In any event when v4 space got expensive they sold most of that huge block on the market. Then they didn't re-IP the PCs. Big trouble if they ever have to talk to someone using that space again...

 

[geckogoy]

I think that's what he meant. I think he was referencing IPv4's 32bit address space, and just worded it strangely. IDK.

IPV4 but bigger would have been adopted by now instead of the massively overcomplex authoritarian BS they tried to pull instead

 

[Concentrate Juice]

we should solve the address exhaustion problem by literally disconnecting the turd world and corpos and reclaiming the addresses.

The DoD currently has 218,103,782 unique IPv4 addresses allocated to them, thirteen /8s, one of which they got from boeing like 15 years ago. Kinda weird considering they do all their ops using AWS anyways. Disconnect the DoD and give the ranges to Josh.

 

[Mikoyan]

IPV4 but bigger would have been adopted by now instead of the massively overcomplex authoritarian BS they tried to pull instead

I've said adding two octets would've been most of the address space needed - since people are doing NAT and private space ANYWAY, and would be still workable by humans. It'd be done by now, and the translation would've been much simpler than the dozen or so ways to talk between 6 and 4.

The 'other benefits' of 6 are bullshit in general. Nobody supports jumbo frames on the big Internet. SLAAC is neat but you generally need to layer DHCP6 on top for other reasons. On and on.

(The biggest technology that could 'change the internet' is if we revived the idea of routed multicast for streaming but that is a big, huge, fucking gigantic problem and that's never happening, and everyone is reimplementing it but shitty with distributed caches...)

 

[CryptoHermit]

Hexbear ( a leftist forum that's pretty active tbh daily 1k users at least ) has a separate PUBLIC board called "selfcrit" where banned users have to BEG and explain to their janny commissars for why they were banned and how they understand their ban was justified and that they want to BE BETTER and be let back on the forum. https://hexbear.net/c/selfcrit

There is a modlog, it's like the ResetEra ban reason API but they implemented it themselves

https://hexbear.net/modlog

Some janny went on a banning spree because some naughty chuds said cumtown was funny


Please post to /c/selfcrit when you get back

https://hexbear.net/c/selfcrit



"My Apology and Explanation" a 1200 word essay that references the Art of War because the poster sympathized with incels

public apology for unacceptably poor upvote activity I thought this one was going to be a joke, but it's genuinely two pages in Word to explain an updoot with a long discussion in the comments from moderators about the ethics of upvooting in bad faith

These are just from the top few results, this is a goldmine

 

[Helvetia]

Selfcrit feels like the Hole in Scientology.

Hexbear ( a leftist forum that's pretty active tbh daily 1k users at least ) has a separate PUBLIC board called "selfcrit" where banned users have to BEG and explain to their janny commissars for why they were banned and how they understand their ban was justified and that they want to BE BETTER and be let back on the forum. https://hexbear.net/c/selfcrit

There is a modlog, it's like the ResetEra ban reason API but they implemented it themselves

https://hexbear.net/modlog

 

[Solid Hyrax]

I knew the layout was familiar. Hexbear is just another Lemmy instance.

 

[jakkufurosuto]

Hexbear ( a leftist forum that's pretty active tbh daily 1k users at least ) has a separate PUBLIC board called "selfcrit" where banned users have to BEG and explain to their janny commissars for why they were banned and how they understand their ban was justified and that they want to BE BETTER and be let back on the forum. https://hexbear.net/c/selfcrit

There is a modlog, it's like the ResetEra ban reason API but they implemented it themselves

https://hexbear.net/modlog

literal humiliation ritual

 

[Beardless Lenin]

This website is almost Maoist struggle session level lunacy. Someone got banned for reporting a post for a reason a janny didn't like.

Post/Archive

 

[Kola]

This website is almost Maoist struggle session level lunacy. Someone got banned for reporting a post for a reason a janny didn't like.
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This is also common on Reddit.

 

[del_toid]

Hexbear ( a leftist forum that's pretty active tbh daily 1k users at least ) has a separate PUBLIC board called "selfcrit" where banned users have to BEG and explain to their janny commissars for why they were banned and how they understand their ban was justified and that they want to BE BETTER and be let back on the forum. https://hexbear.net/c/selfcrit

There is a modlog, it's like the ResetEra ban reason API but they implemented it themselves

https://hexbear.net/modlog

Holy shit those ban reasons are insane. Bookmarked, I have to keep up with these freaks.

 

[get_ur_gamon]

Woe betides the mcdonalds workers if one of these jannies gets promoted to shift manager.

 

[Cuckoman]

I've said adding two octets would've been most of the address space needed - since people are doing NAT and private space ANYWAY, and would be still workable by humans. It'd be done by now, and the translation would've been much simpler than the dozen or so ways to talk between 6 and 4.

The 'other benefits' of 6 are bullshit in general. Nobody supports jumbo frames on the big Internet. SLAAC is neat but you generally need to layer DHCP6 on top for other reasons. On and on.

(The biggest technology that could 'change the internet' is if we revived the idea of routed multicast for streaming but that is a big, huge, fucking gigantic problem and that's never happening, and everyone is reimplementing it but shitty with distributed caches...)

I would give IPv6 some slack.
Does it have a whole bunch of (imho) useless features? Sure it does, but so did the original IPv4. (source routing and record route comes to mind as does non-consecutive netmasks)

I think the idea is to over-design and throw in a lot of features initially and then see over time what is useless and silently remove it/drop it from implementations.

The really only thing I have against IPv6 is that it is difficult to use without DNS.

EDIT: routed multicast is interesting but can never work in reality. There are a LOT of different protocols for this but they never took off.
The fatal flaw is that to make it work you would need to allow signalling to traverse different network managed and operated by different organizations.
No one will allow "someone else" to signal and modify their (multicast) routing tables.

There are alternative solutions for the "many people streaming the same thing" problem. The common solution for large streaming sites like Youtube and netflix is to have a special pod installed locally in your ISPs datacentre. Then when customers start streaming something they get redirected to stream it from the pod instead, which acts as a caching man-in-the-middle.
Next time someone streams the same thing they stream directly from the pod cache.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

The DoD currently has 218,103,782 unique IPv4 addresses allocated to them, thirteen /8s, one of which they got from boeing like 15 years ago. Kinda weird considering they do all their ops using AWS anyways. Disconnect the DoD and give the ranges to Josh.

Ford owns the entirety of 19.0.0.0/8. Of course a car company needs 17 million IP addresses, why wouldn't it?

 

[Mikoyan]

Ford owns the entirety of 19.0.0.0/8. Of course a car company needs 17 million IP addresses, why wouldn't it?

To be fair, Ford of the 1980s was a major industrial company and also a major defense/space contractor and many of the latter category got big allocations.

The really only thing I have against IPv6 is that it is difficult to use without DNS.

EDIT: routed multicast is interesting but can never work in reality. There are a LOT of different protocols for this but they never took off.
The fatal flaw is that to make it work you would need to allow signalling to traverse different network managed and operated by different organizations.
No one will allow "someone else" to signal and modify their (multicast) routing tables.

There are alternative solutions for the "many people streaming the same thing" problem. The common solution for large streaming sites like Youtube and netflix is to have a special pod installed locally in your ISPs datacentre. Then when customers start streaming something they get redirected to stream it from the pod instead, which acts as a caching man-in-the-middle.
Next time someone streams the same thing they stream directly from the pod cache.

I said all of this but with less words. I do a lot with 'on-site caches', actually and it's a very odd space. Some ISPs are starting to push back against it since they see it as Netflix/Google/etc pushing their electricity and cooling bills onto them. Which is a big reason why the local Stadia racks never went absolutely anywhere.

At least one of the bigger cable companies is working to push the caches down to the neighborhood level, right into the CMTS. I'm fascinated to see if that works out for them, really redefines 'edge compute'.

(Also it was fun during the Tyson/Paul fight, the on-net caches got overloaded and you could see the traffic shift as they started forcing people to go over transit, the graphs were wild to watch.)

 

[Email]

A number of users received temporary, 1-day bans based on upvoting a specific post by an off-site federated reactionary which praised a certain former podcaster suggesting not just educating and rehabilitating those with imperfect and reactionary politics, but coalition-building with out-and-out fascists. You can read it here.

I do not wish to discuss this with you. Please disengage.

These people should phase out of existence.

 

[The Real Slim Shady]

The really only thing I have against IPv6 is that it is difficult to use without DNS

Can you elaborate on that? Is it just due to the length of the addresses or some more obscure reason?

I dont have a beef with IPv6. You dont have to use the bells and whistles. You can treat it as a long v4 address and carry on with your day. I was using fc00:: range addresses as static allocations for some stuff, because if you add less than 4 digits at the end, its shorter than private use 10.0.0.0/8 v4 addresses. My issue is shit ISPs who sometimes do not give out v4 addresses and then totally fuck up 6to4 or whatever the way they use giving you a service that doesnt fully work because you cannot connect to the v4 world. Oh, and sometimes, it gets confusing if you need tk specify port number in v6. Shit like hxxps://[fc00::69:420]:1337 gets confusing to type. But thats what multicast DNS is for.

 

[skunt]

Can you elaborate on that?

it gets confusing if you need tk specify port number in v6. Shit like hxxps://[fc00::69:420]:1337 gets confusing to type

You probably answered your own question.

To add on to what they/you said, one other sucky thing about ipv6 is not everyone uses it (yet). So even if you want to go ipv6 only, you're kinda can't and need to dual stack which just makes people resent it even more.

 

[Cuckoman]

Can you elaborate on that? Is it just due to the length of the addresses or some more obscure reason?

Yes. They are just harder to remember than dotted decimal.

 

[Expenses2999]

You probably answered your own question.

To add on to what they/you said, one other sucky thing about ipv6 is not everyone uses it (yet). So even if you want to go ipv6 only, you're kinda can't and need to dual stack which just makes people resent it even more.

My ISP, Spectrum, STILL doesn't support it. It feels intentional.