AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities

[WalterSullivan]

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It's so hard to get it to work. It just won't recognize that Sneed is supposed to be a singular object. I hit my usage limit before it worked, anyone else want to try?

Edit: It's spitting errors whenever I try to do a George Floyd meme, so it may have a content filter. Or maybe I'm just banned.

Nah it does have a content filter. And a very annoying one, mind you.

 

[Maurice Maine]

 

[Dunkin DoNUT]

I hate that I'm being recommended by this very same video by YouTube over and over again.
the artist cope with Glaze is just tiresome

 

[Fag Alert Major Fag Alert]

I hate that I'm being recommended by this very same video by YouTube over and over again.
the artist cope with Glaze is just tiresome

And it doesn't even work once. It's a scam

 

[Maurice Maine]

And it doesn't even work once. It's a scam

You should be happy, things are looking up... not for the hack artists, for obvious reasons.

 

[Sean Shemmy]

I hate that I'm being recommended by this very same video by YouTube over and over again.
the artist cope with Glaze is just tiresome

Could you say... they're glazing glaze?

 

[Maurice Maine]

When I did my admittedly shitty write-up on the Dead Internet Theory in this site back in 2020 I didn't predict this.

 

[harmy.kook]

When I did my admittedly shitty write-up on the Dead Internet Theory in this site back in 2020 I didn't predict this.

Oh GOD, is this another case of Libs and Progs suddenly becoming "unjacked from the Matrix"?

 

[gagabobo1997]

When I did my admittedly shitty write-up on the Dead Internet Theory in this site back in 2020 I didn't predict this.

you're telling me i cant believe everything i see on the internet now!? and theres also... disinformation on the internet now!???!? and even worse, google images is marginally worse?? not google!!! how horrible

 

[didelphigina]

When I did my admittedly shitty write-up on the Dead Internet Theory in this site back in 2020 I didn't predict this.

What a lot of these "AI killed the internet" videos don't get is that the internet killed itself long before AI came to fruition. All these videos act like AI magically made the internet worse despite stuff like misinformation, mass produced low quality medias and products, and people believing everything they hear or see on the internet without a second thought has been around for decades. Sure, yes, AI does have the potential to further all of these (and has in some cases), but it gets really autistic when they act like AI started the whole craze of such things.

 

[Colon capital V]

When I did my admittedly shitty write-up on the Dead Internet Theory in this site back in 2020 I didn't predict this.

Don't tell this faggot about how mega corporations, monetizations, ads and stock have had a stranglehold over censorship and the flow of information for years now (the only reason you have a "job" is because (((they))) want less offensive and more restrictive online content nigger).

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

What a lot of these "AI killed the internet" videos don't get is that the internet killed itself long before AI came to fruition. All these videos act like AI magically made the internet worse despite stuff like misinformation, mass produced low quality medias and products, and people believing everything they hear or see on the internet without a second thought has been around for decades. Sure, yes, AI does have the potential to further all of these (and has in some cases), but it gets really autistic when they act like AI started the whole craze of such things.

What AI represents is merely a new efficiency to do the things that people were already complaining about on the internet: unoriginal or largely plagiarized art/media, low-quality content mill slop, clickbait, misinformation campaigns with the aid of sock puppets, etc. Generative AI is merely a tool, and while there are definitely legitimate concerns about the ways it could be used to manipulate opinion and manufacture consent, for now at least, the main group of people who genuinely have to worry about being displaced by it are those who were involved in doing the aforementioned things before AI came along.

 

[Kiwisee]

When I did my admittedly shitty write-up on the Dead Internet Theory in this site back in 2020 I didn't predict this.

What the video doesn’t seem to grasp is that AI slop farms are a symptom of the problem. Advertisers and corporations have done far more to kill online innovation than open AI has done, in an attempt to sanitize the clear net.

AI slop farms do well on sites like YouTube because most of them are geared towards children that don’t even know what AI is.

The Internet died when profile customization was no longer mandatory, in my opinion. Think about it, name me a better way to instantly get to know someone than a custom color scheme paired with musical tastes on their profile?

 

[linchan]

The same people who didn't like the NPC meme mocking them now fully believe in the dead internet theory.

 

[smeech chain]

I'm "anti-ai", i don't like it. But I also don't like the irrational hatred people have for artists simply because some incidentally happen to not be on the same political side as you.
I fucking hate pretentious, cunty and violent twitter and tumblr fags becoming the "representative" for artists. Nigga I don't wanna be lumped in with these faggots just for having one thing in common with them.
I don't care if someone uses chatgbt and midjourney to fuck around in their own time, I care when they try to monetize it, claim that they're "artists" on the same level as kuvshinov ilya just for punching in a few words. How is that unreasonable ? No it's not the same as digital art or photoshoping because that still requires talent and effort, what fucking talent does it require to punch in "hot big tiddie anime girl big breasts big thighs" exactly ? Almost as much as it takes to tape a banana onto a wall and call it "art". Nigga fuck with Ai as much as you want but don't call yourself Van gogh for doing so. Why's that an unreasonable position to hold ?
Ai is not gonna stop me from making art for fun, spending hours on a piece nailing meticulous detail. I don't need to be obnoxiously reminded by techbros "why bother ai will replace you"
Nigga just because I can buy a dress from a shop doesn't mean I won't enjoy manually fashion designing my own clothes, just because restaurants exist doesn't mean I won't make my own food, just because mass produced leather purses exist doesn't mean I won't sew one myself, I enjoy it. The process is fun and fulfilling and I don't need to be bombarded with doomer talking points about how "it's all pointless" and "machines do it better". Damn that's crazy, I don't care.
No i don't want random people to die for fucking around with midjourney. But I also don't want people to act as if all artists are a hivemind represented by xitter gender special mongoloids. If someone doesn't like Ai and prefer human art the same way one might not like CGI and prefer practical effects over it, what's wrong with that ? If you only blindly shill ai as the best thing ever and wish for artists to go bankrupt and suffer for no other reason other than "retard queer on twitter was a massive sperg about it" then it's just cringe as fuck reactionary behaviour

 

[harmy.kook]

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Bro I'm going to be honest with you: this sounds like you're just conflicted and lashing out.

Like you don't want to be lumped in with the other anti AI artist, but you can slightly recognize that you sound exactly like them.
Like you want to pull out all the usual stuff of whining about the ''human touch of Art'' and all that shit, but yet for some reason you seem to keep company with "tech bros" who tell you to "accept the future".

From what I've gauged from this thread, for the most part, most people are okay with AI art (IRL and online)
They wouldn't prefer it to replace all the creatives, but they can recognize the creative industry is full of jackasses and pedophiles.
This is without taking in political affiliation [actually].

But you just seem upset and like you want to lash out, especially with all that ''lowercase typing''.
Hell 92% your post seems like all the arguments that usually get tossed around slammed together, including by the " I'm not mad but" types of the Anti AI crowd.

 

[smeech chain]

Bro I'm going to be honest with you: this sounds like you're just conflicted and lashing out.

Like you don't want to be lumped in with the other anti AI artist, but you can slightly recognize that you sound exactly like them.
Like you want to pull out all the usual stuff of whining about the ''human touch of Art'' and all that shit, but yet for some reason you seem to keep company with "tech bros" who tell you to "accept the future".

From what I've gauged from this thread, for the most part, most people are okay with AI art (IRL and online)
They wouldn't prefer it to replace all the creatives, but they can recognize the creative industry is full of jackasses and pedophiles.
This is without taking in political affiliation [actually].

But you just seem upset and like you want to lash out, especially with all that ''lowercase typing''.
Hell 92% your post seems like all the arguments that usually get tossed around slammed together, including by the " I'm not mad but" types of the Anti AI crowd.

I'm sorry that I came off that way. I should've been less emotionally charged

 

[Inco G. Nito]

Ai is not gonna stop me from making art for fun

And in one fell swoop, the entire anti/pro AI debate is exposed for really how stupid the whole thing is. This exactly. Complaining about AI 'automating something people enjoy doing' is like saying we should ban automatic transmissions because you personally prefer to drive stick. It's ludicrous. If you can't see the clear and obvious benefits of having the computer able to fill out aspects of your art for you as a professional artist, then you need to get your fucking brain checked. Likewise, if you somehow feel like your enjoyment in engaging with your passion of making art is detracted from because other people are using AI, get your head checked. Time is a material resource, just as limited as any other. Professionals ideally need to output quality products at a high quantity, and quickly. Just so happens that AI strikes an elegant compromise between time spent and results. And not to mention, soon entirely hand-made art will be considered artisanal, which is very marketable.

 

[Verpa Teutonica Ingens]

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This just shows how pointless and ambiguous the labels "pro-AI" and "anti-AI" are. With the exception of two or three sentences, your opinion is surprisingly similar to mine, but if a nigga jabbed me with Hollywood-portrayed truth serum (or just got me drunk), held a gun to my head, and asked "are you pro-AI art or anti-AI art?", I'd hesitate for a moment, and then describe myself as "pro-AI art".

I posted in this thread previously, explaining my viewpoint on creativity being a trait of people, not of tools. I stand by what I said back then, but now I'd like to expand on that point. People who are creative can use whatever tools they want, but the moment they publish their work to elicit comments/feedback or try to monetize it, they're putting themselves at the mercy of others' judgement. A lot of those critics will judge work, at least in part, by how much effort went into it. Not to say that they're infallible deities; a lot of critics will judge work for the dumbest reasons like "you drew this nigger's skin too light!" or "she's too attractive! she needs to be morbidly obese and hairy like a primate!" or, hell, "she's so attractive! she needs a PENIS!", but it's still something to be aware of, especially for marketing.

The market value of a commodity is determined by how much any buyer would pay for it, for whatever reason each buyer may have for making this or that choice in product provider. Selling $75 commissions to monkey up a prompt and click "Generate" a few times would absolutely seem like a retarded grift, but the real retards are the people who pay for that like they'd pay for $14.88 coffee made by a "soft enby pansexual" that screams when it sees the price. They're the same kinds of people who would pay a gig-nigger on UberShits to wipe their asses for them.

Spoiler: Powerleveling

I use Stable Diffusion, having switched between various frontends over time, for character portraits in my own worldbuilding project. It's neat, but don't go check it out; you know where we are.

Don't worry, it's not horny coomerbait. My worldbuilding is largely political, though in the same sense that the history of the Roman Republic is political; it's not 100% schizotarded /pol/sperging. Most of the characters I write about are space navy officers, populist demagogues, oligarchic elites, autocrats of emerging interstellar powers, etc.

When I generate an image, my goal isn't to enjoy the process of drawing and create an artistic masterpiece. My goal is to have a PNG that depicts what I see in my mind's eye, and the tools I use work just fine for that. I don't post it on whatever social media and say "Look at this work of art that I created!" because that not the point of what I'm doing.

I did bring up an exception of two or three sentences, so I'll explain: my only disagreement is with hatred for artists being irrational. The statement that you "hate pretentious, cunty and violent twitter and tumblr fags becoming the representative for artists" implies that they are the representative for artists. You'd be right to admit that, because they're what most people actually see when they interact with artists. Sure, there are some good ones out there, but no one sees them because they don't make themselves visible; as it turns out, being an obnoxious faggot does wonders for reach and attention of both kinds. It should be no surprise that everyone wishes for retarded queers on Twitter to go bankrupt and suffer.

 

[AmpleApricots]

My biggest takeaway is that nothing really has changed between the more technological primitive 80s and 90s and now. People still completely lack vision. I'm probably older than most here and can very well remember discussions about home computers and computers in general mostly being useless/unable to replace people and never going anywhere, and honestly, people kinda had a point with some of the early ones - but they paved the way for computers that were better and better until nowadays, the world simply wouldn't work without them anymore.

The same thing will happen with AI. We're still mostly in that "bulky" phase but it's passing by quickly and so much already has changed in the last six years and this year has been really picking up with papers and approaches improving the reasoning of LLMs in manifold ways. A few weeks ago an LLM reasoning model was released that operates on a level on relatively modest hardware even I didn't think I'd see inside of three to five years and just now Meta released a paper on Byte Latent Transformers that if practical, (perspective before this paper was that these would never be stable or trainable and tokenization as it is now would always be necessary) pretty much promise to turn everything upside down starting next year. What this means in plain english is that LLMs will reach yet another level of improved efficency and reliabilty. It's amazing for me that so many people have a problem with the simple concept of "technology will advance". It was the same with aforementioned computers. Most "anti-" arguments made back then also hinged on people just not being able to imagine them ever becoming better even that in reality, technology pretty much never stands still. I can imagine that some people just completely lack the brain capacity required to paint such a future world in their imagination even when they do not understand the technology, but I still have to believe that many just are in complete denial out of fear, unwillingness to accept change or other factors. We haven't hit a wall at all yet and nothing in this sphere remotely suggests this. We're at the beginning.