RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

WitchOfDarkness said:
I can't confirm it, but there's a rumor that they backtracked after people started to sympathyze with him online, because you weren't supposed to agree with him at all. Ironwood was very likely supposed to be a Trump allegory. Yes, really. Don't forget, there was also an election subplot with an obvious Hillary Clinton stand in: Robyn.

There was a season break, so I don't think it's imposible. This is RT, so they likely hadn't finished work on it anyway. And it would've only requiere some tweaks to the dialogue and minor scenes of the finale. Turn him from sympathethic, and complex to childishly evil.

In other words, they wrote a nuanced story by mere chance, but they destroyed it because, you enjoyed it wrong.
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You mentioned it’s a rumor, but it sure sounds like something that could be true given how people view RT.
 
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Deus Exica said:
I'll never forgive them for what they did to Ironwood. The entire show building up this threatening and intimidating idea that Ironwood might be taking things too far, that he has become a tyrant
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WitchOfDarkness said:
I can't confirm it, but there's a rumor that they backtracked after people started to sympathyze with him online, because you weren't supposed to agree with him at all. Ironwood was very likely supposed to be a Trump allegory.
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It's never brought up in the show, but apparently Ironwood's semblance was Mettle, a passive ability that made him double down on all critical decisions when he encountered any resistance.


Leave it up to RWBY writers to have lore that's only brought up at a convention to passively and magically explain why one of the fan's favorite characters turned into a bipolar mess.
 
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Just out of curiosity, is the show pretty much dead at this point?
Last I heard RT is basically bankrupt and Warner Bros doesn't give a shit about the IP.
 
Darth Insanius said:
Just out of curiosity, is the show pretty much dead at this point?
Last I heard RT is basically bankrupt and Warner Bros doesn't give a shit about the IP.
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Someone bought it, can't remember who, and apparently they are going to make "something" with it. God knows what that "something" will end up being though.
 
HootersMcBoobies said:
It's never brought up in the show, but apparently Ironwood's semblance was Mettle, a passive ability that made him double down on all critical decisions when he encountered any resistance.


Leave it up to RWBY writers to have lore that's only brought up at a convention to passively and magically explain why one of the fan's favorite characters turned into a bipolar mess.
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Once again, a character has been blessed with the super power of autism. Truly a fair and balanced system when you consider some people just get super powers.
 
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Darth Insanius said:
Just out of curiosity, is the show pretty much dead at this point?
Last I heard RT is basically bankrupt and Warner Bros doesn't give a shit about the IP
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No need for me to write complex 2 hours essays like some youtubers, describing the fall of RWBY, and all their shortcomings and stupid writing decisions. If Warner bros thought they could've made money with RWBY they wouldn't have sold the IP. It's as simple as that.

If Viz is trying to continue were RT left it off, without massive overhauls , and retcons, I predict, twitter and reddit will clap like seals. Everyone else will be indifferent. And it will flop again.

RWBY was probably profitable while Monty was alive, and maybe a few years after. But at the rate they were burning money, they were likely not even breaking even. Even so RWBY was lucky it didn't end up being discarded as a tax write-off like other WB failed ips. All evidence points out they lost a massive part of the audience during their last few volumes. People just didn't notice because their usual fans kept being a vocal minority as usual.
 
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WitchOfDarkness said:
No need for me to write complex 2 hours essays like some youtubers, describing the fall of RWBY, and all their shortcomings and stupid writing decisions. If Warner bros thought they could've made money with RWBY they wouldn't have sold the IP. It's as simple as that.

If Viz is trying to continue were RT left it off, without massive overhauls , and retcons, I predict, twitter and reddit will clap like seals. Everyone else will be indifferent. And it will flop again.

RWBY was probably profitable while Monty was alive, and maybe a few years after. But at the rate they were burning money, they were likely not even breaking even. Even so RWBY was lucky it didn't end up being discarded as a tax write-off like other WB failed ips. All evidence points out they lost a massive part of the audience during their last few volumes. People just didn't notice because their usual fans kept being a vocal minority as usual.
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Honestly, I haven’t heard what the plans Viz have really are, but I can easily see it being something like just finishing the story and going “let’s never speak of this again”.

Anything beyond this could be a case of just being better off starting from scratch.
 
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Not really Rwby related but this person talks about Rwby all the time and I thought the tweet and said responses were funny, like Rwby didn’t end because the the writers didn’t know how to fuckin write the series and the last season was a filler season

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Sleazy Car Salesman said:
I don't even know what the fuck any of that means.
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Essentially the Kira person didn’t like how arcane s1 ended and went to watch Rwby to cheer themselves up cause they didn’t like how it ended. But the arcane fandom interpreted that as Rwby being better than arcane. And the Brayden Silva reply is to us funny cause they mention that arcane ended in season 2 and how Rwby went on to have more volumes(seasons). As if Rwby having more volumes made it a better show than arcane when it still looked like shit in the end despite have a considerable amount of money dedicated to the animation. (Essentially I’m just being a faggot about their comments/tweets)
 
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I've got some bad news. Season 2 of Arcane is a downgrade from Season 1. There's a consensus on the thread that the third act is terrible. Butt you know what? Even at its worst, mostly Season 2's last arc, Arcane is still better written and animated than RWBY.

Has anyone done the math? If it turned out RWBY was just as expensive or even more expensive than Arcane per episode or per minute, I'd be inclined to believe their poor management might had included some sort of fraud/fund malversation. Or some of the employees massively overcharged for substandard work.

There's no comparison. Arcane looks like a work of art all the way through. It's even better than some AAA animated movies. RWBY barely looked better than its Poser days.
 
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WitchOfDarkness said:
I've got some bad news. Season 2 of Arcane is a downgrade from Season 1. There's a consensus on the thread that the third act is terrible. Butt you know what? Even at its worst, mostly Season 2's last arc, Arcane is still better written and animated than RWBY.

Has anyone done the math? If it turned out RWBY was just as expensive or even more expensive than Arcane per episode or per minute, I'd be inclined to believe their poor management might had included some sort of fraud/fund malversation. Or some of the employees massively overcharged for substandard work.

There's no comparison. Arcane looks like a work of art all the way through. It's even better than some AAA animated movies. RWBY barely looked better than its Poser days.
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Everybody knows the funds for RWBY were mismanaged all the way back to the early days of the show. This isn't a revelation.
 
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WitchOfDarkness said:
I've got some bad news. Season 2 of Arcane is a downgrade from Season 1. There's a consensus on the thread that the third act is terrible. Butt you know what? Even at its worst, mostly Season 2's last arc, Arcane is still better written and animated than RWBY.
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WitchOfDarkness said:
There's no comparison. Arcane looks like a work of art all the way through. It's even better than some AAA animated movies. RWBY barely looked better than its Poser days.
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I gotta agree. (no spoilers) Season 1 of Arcane was dark, gritty, creative and had a unique and insane animation style. Season 2 is so horribly tragic because the production value is high, the animation looks amazing, and it does keep your attention .. but they story is so incredibly weak compared to season 1. It stops focusing on a lot of individual struggles and story elements, goes hard in on the montages (which some people hate, but I don't think is bad. You just have to really pay attention to know what's going on), and all the story wrap-ups just felt emotional, but unearned. None of the characters worked for their arcs; predictable in the bad way.

The one thing Arcane did well: finish a damn story. Even if you hate the season 2 ending of Arcane and think they crammed too much in, at least they made it clear they wanted to wrap everything up. Red v Blue also completed some of their big arcs every 3~5 seasons. You could leave season 3 or 10 and a few others without feeling like you're cheesing for the next season. For RWBY, every season felt like a cliff hanger. None of the major story arcs ever finished up, and the writers had no real intention of doing so. They were prepared to drag things out for 20+ seasons.

I like how you watch RWBY grow from a small indie studio piece into a richly animated world if you watch from season 1. And there's something beautiful to that. But as far as the story, it really peaked in season 3. I don't think Monty sticking around would have made a difference. He didn't really write the story anyway, and it felt like the story went weird directions to dump random characters into his fight scenes.

I'm kinda not happy Viz bought the license. This was a series that would be better dying off. I don't know how they could get the investment to either finish it or reboot it.
 
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WitchOfDarkness said:
Has anyone done the math? If it turned out RWBY was just as expensive or even more expensive than Arcane per episode or per minute, I'd be inclined to believe their poor management might had included some sort of fraud/fund malversation. Or some of the employees massively overcharged for substandard work.
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I'll do the math.

RWBY (allegedly) cost roughly $30,000/minute of animation - where as Arcane (allegedly) cost $230,000/minute or 10x more as RWBY.

It's also worth pointing out the Arcane number is just from a "show cost this much" number and doesn't break down where the costs originate. Arcane has several very expensive voice actors (compared to RWBY just using employees) that eat into that budget, although to what degree I can't say. It's also worth pointing out that RWBY's $30,000/minute is already insane (it was far and away the most expensive, whereas $5,000/minute was more commonplace for all other big anime).

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Prior to this - the most known expensive anime you could compare it to is Dragonball Super at roughly $6,100/minute - and it's pretty obvious which one looks better. Alternatively, Attack on Titan ($5,400/minute) or My Hero Academia ($4,000/minute) are other comparison points.
 
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