GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[Betonhaus]

B570 hasn't been released/reviewed yet, B580 is out of stock since it's a low volume, zero margin card Intel is dumping to avoid investor lawsuits.

7600 XT 16GB should cost that but doesn't. 6700 10/12 GB prices don't look good on ebay. RTX 3080 is selling over $400. Either I am bad at finding cards or the market is shit.

I might just wait for the Intel cards, or if Nvidia or AMD drops prices on their midrange to match. Too much stuff happening at the end of this year so I'd be looking at January or February anyways.

Right now I'm running windows in a VM on my server with its own Quadro k6000, and it works pretty well for Steam remote play. I'll probably be switching to using games on whales and skipping running Windows which will have some performance improvements. I guess I don't really need a super powerful gpu as the k6000 has been enough for the games I play and my last computer had a Nvidia 1660 super which was sufficient. Would you have a guess as to what kind of GPUs have the best performance to cost ratio in the $150-250 range?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

How does one personally benchmark a CPU/GPU without relying on word of mouth or online reviews?
As in as a regular ass consumer what exactly am I meant to be looking at in order to go "This GPU is probably this much better than my current one and as such I will get it"?

This is probably based on reviews at some level, but you could just look at the relative performance % lists on TechPowerUp:

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7600-xt.c4190

Imperfect but adequate at a glance.

CPUs are usually fast enough. You shouldn't have to think too hard about it.

I might just wait for the Intel cards, or if Nvidia or AMD drops prices on their midrange to match. Too much stuff happening at the end of this year so I'd be looking at January or February anyways.

Jumping on Intel's grenade before RDNA4 and RTX 5000 are out would be silly.

 

[Post Reply]

ryzen 5 2600

You could probably drop in a 5700x3D if the mobo supports it. That's as good as it gets on AM4 and costs as little as $180. Then the rest of your upgrade budget could go to a GPU and a 1440p monitor.

 

[Brain Problems]

Genuine question for the thread: is getting VR shit worth it in the YOOL 2024? And if so, what is the recommend? I've had my eye on the Valve Index and it seems to review well. Not cheap by any stretch of the imagination and almost certainly an expensive gimmick at best but I don't know guys.

 

[Fcret]

Genuine question for the thread: is getting VR shit worth it in the YOOL 2024? And if so, what is the recommend? I've had my eye on the Valve Index and it seems to review well. Not cheap by any stretch of the imagination and almost certainly an expensive gimmick at best but I don't know guys.

Depends on what you want do with VR. Whether or not it sticks really comes down to how much you end up liking it.

I will say - in 2024, the Index is considered quite out-of-date, especially considering its price. The current 'meta' setup (pun not intended) is a Quest 3 (or 3s for a few hundo cheaper) with a wifi 6e-capable wireless router for wireless PCVR. The downside is that you need a phone to setup the thing and you have to make a meta account (or link your facebook although I keep those separate).

Even if you don't go for the quest, I would advise waiting for Valve's next-gen headset. Index is not worth the price. The lenses/displays are not that good, and fully wireless PCVR is something I'd consider baseline these days.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Inno3D teases “Neural Rendering” and “Advanced DLSS” for GeForce RTX 50 GPUs at CES 2025

I think the rumor mill was talking about some kind of AI feature related to textures which may be what "neural rendering" is referring to. And maybe a DLSS4. As usual, Nvidia is a moving target.

ACER confirms GeForce RTX 5090 32GB and RTX 5080 16GB GDDR7 graphics cards
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 tipped to feature 30 Gbps GDDR7 memory
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti to feature 16GB VRAM, RTX 5060 reportedly sticks to 8GB
GeForce RTX 5070 Ti reportedly features 16GB GDDR7 memory and GB203-300 GPU

It's looking like we'll see:

RTX 5090 (32 GB / 512-bit)
RTX 5090D (Chyna)
RTX 5080 (16 GB / 256-bit)
RTX 5070 Ti (16 GB / 256-bit)
RTX 5070 (12 GB / 192-bit)
RTX 5060 Ti (16 GB / 128-bit)
RTX 5060 (8 GB / 128-bit)

Most of these should use 28 Gbps GDDR7 but the RTX 5080 will use 30 Gbps to make up a little for being half the card the 5090 is. Unlike the 4060 Ti, no 8 GB version seen yet for the 5060 Ti. 8 GB at the very bottom is fine if the price is right. It probably won't be but that's a segment that will see actual competition. I expect to see the 5080 and 5070 refreshed with 50% more RAM later.

Finally, we have seen the first AMD Strix Halo gaymer-oriented product:

AMD Ryzen Max+ 395 “Strix Halo” debuts in first gaming product leak, faster than 7945HX3D
Retailers list ASUS ROG Flow Z13 gaming tablet with 16 and 12-Core AMD ‘Strix Halo’ APU

 

[umseriously]

How does one personally benchmark a CPU/GPU without relying on word of mouth or online reviews?
As in as a regular ass consumer what exactly am I meant to be looking at in order to go "This GPU is probably this much better than my current one and as such I will get it"?

Spoiler: A less indirect ask for hardware recommendations

1080p gaming, ryzen 5 2600 and a 1660ti. What won't cost me an arm and a leg(say... ~1000 dollars? I really don't know what's reasonable in terms of PC prices anymore since I haven't kept up) and would last me at least half a decade?
I don't care for 1440p or 4k.

Personally, I would watch a bunch of benchmark videos and see how real world performance does. Preferably 2x gain in fps while being from a new generation. Like, Final Fantasy 7 rebirth won't even launch on anything older than the Rx 6000 series for instance. So, in your case, I would start looking at the new GPUs and begin working down from there.

If you're planning to buy soon, you should do it now while the holiday sales are still in effect and before any tariff fud comes into play next month otherwise you'll have to play the waiting game for the new GPUs and a good sale to even begin with.

 

[The Ugly One]

How does one personally benchmark a CPU/GPU without relying on word of mouth or online reviews?
As in as a regular ass consumer what exactly am I meant to be looking at in order to go "This GPU is probably this much better than my current one and as such I will get it"?

Spoiler: A less indirect ask for hardware recommendations

1080p gaming, ryzen 5 2600 and a 1660ti. What won't cost me an arm and a leg(say... ~1000 dollars? I really don't know what's reasonable in terms of PC prices anymore since I haven't kept up) and would last me at least half a decade?
I don't care for 1440p or 4k.

You don't need to overthink it, really. It's like liquor. Don't buy the cheapest thing you see, and you'll have no complaints. Nobody legitimate is making hardware that can't drive at 60 fps or won't keep up for the next 5 years.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Intel claims to have solved multiple Arrow Lake issues with new BIOS updates. AMD may launch a 9600 non-X in January.

I posted about Nvidia's $249 Jetson Orin Nano SUPER and Radxa's Orion O6 mini-ITX board using the Arm-based 12-core Cix P1 / CD8180 (hyped new China SoC) in the SBC thread:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/sbc-low-power-boards-general.80244/post-20111784

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

Depends on what you want do with VR. Whether or not it sticks really comes down to how much you end up liking it.

I will say - in 2024, the Index is considered quite out-of-date, especially considering its price. The current 'meta' setup (pun not intended) is a Quest 3 (or 3s for a few hundo cheaper) with a wifi 6e-capable wireless router for wireless PCVR. The downside is that you need a phone to setup the thing and you have to make a meta account (or link your facebook although I keep those separate).

Even if you don't go for the quest, I would advise waiting for Valve's next-gen headset. Index is not worth the price. The lenses/displays are not that good, and fully wireless PCVR is something I'd consider baseline these days.

One reason to not go for the Quest 3s is because it doesn't have as granular(or as wide) IPD settings for the lenses as the Quest 3. On the 3 the lenses can be smoothly adjusted until they line up the way you want while on the 3s there's a series of IPD preset. IPD is the distance between your pupils. If you buy a 3s and is really unfortunate everything can feel a bit 'off'. Like looking through a slightly bent pair of glasses or something, hard to explain.

 

[Freedom Fighter]

One reason to not go for the Quest 3s is because it doesn't have as granular(or as wide) IPD settings for the lenses as the Quest 3. On the 3 the lenses can be smoothly adjusted until they line up the way you want while on the 3s there's a series of IPD preset. IPD is the distance between your pupils. If you buy a 3s and is really unfortunate everything can feel a bit 'off'. Like looking through a slightly bent pair of glasses or something, hard to explain.

Meta is a total no-go for me. They fucked me over hard, and I'm not falling for it again. Valve Index is the only one I'd ever buy.

 

[Fcret]

Meta is a total no-go for me. They fucked me over hard, and I'm not falling for it again. Valve Index is the only one I'd ever buy.

Yeah there's definitely tradeoffs when you lock yourself into Zuck's Panopticon. One of the things I hate most about the quest is that there's very limited support for third-party controllers. You're stuck with either the cheapo pack-ins or the pro ones and all of them have shitty modern sticks that eventually drift. Having to make an account and sync the thing to your phone is also annoying.

I'm pretty excited to see what Valve will do and I hope they match the standalone sets on wireless PCVR because not being tethered is such a massive improvement to the experience.

 

[Betonhaus]

Meta is a total no-go for me. They fucked me over hard, and I'm not falling for it again. Valve Index is the only one I'd ever buy.

*Glances at the Samsung Odyssey Windows HMD collecting dust on a shelf*

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Intel terminates x86S initiative — unilateral quest to de-bloat x86 instruction set comes to an end

This is not as apocalyptic as it sounds given that they formed the x86 Ecosystem Advisory Group with AMD and others after x86S was announced. But it's another sign of weakness.

If I were running AMD, I would try calling the shots again instead of following the leader. Like with x86-64 in 2000.

 

[Betonhaus]

Wouldn't the x86 instruction set be deprecated by amd64? Or is it intended to be a simplified instruction set for small specialized devices that will not need more then 4gb ram to operate?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Wouldn't the x86 instruction set be deprecated by amd64? Or is it intended to be a simplified instruction set for small specialized devices that will not need more then 4gb ram to operate?

x86S is not intended to go backwards or to be for microcontrollers, if that's what you're asking. It drops old features and support for 16/32-bit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#X86S

X86S is a simplification of x86-64 proposed by Intel in May 2023 for their "Intel 64" products. The new architecture would remove support for 16-bit and 32-bit operating systems, while 32-bit programs will still run under a 64-bit OS. A CPU would no longer have legacy mode, and start directly in 64-bit long mode. There will be a way to switch to 5-level paging without going through the unpaged mode.

Intel believes the change follows logically after the removal of the A20 gate in 2008 and the removal of 16-bit and 32-bit OS support in Intel firmware in 2020. Support for legacy operating systems would be accomplished via hardware-accelerated virtualization and/or ring 0 emulation.

Or at least that was the plan, now we wait and see what Intel and AMD try next.

 

[The Ugly One]

Guarantee that the day they drop the ability to run OS/2 natively, somebody's going to sperg out about it.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

It's a very spartan UI, incredibly fast and uses no resources whatsoever, but it's also incredibly user unfriendly. From a barebones install you have to configure everything, outbound NAT rules, sensible inbound firewall rules and common services such as DNS forwarding, DHCP server, etc. There's wizards to try and make the experience easier, but they can sometimes make life harder.

After using Winbox to setup VLANS of all manner and sort and do your typical port forwarding, DNS reassignments, ipv6 setup, I now feel like I can think like a Slavic networking guy.

 

[Mister Fister]

I really only think the 5090 and 5070ti look worth to buy based on the current leaks.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

I really only think the 5090 and 5070ti look worth to buy based on the current leaks.

I could see the lower 5070 12 GB or 5060 Ti 16 GB, depending on price and performance.

They are moving to GDDR7. 28 Gbps would mean a 128-bit 5060 Ti gets +55% bandwidth, which is a big jump. It's only +33% more compared to the 21 Gbps cards like the 4070.

The 5060 8 GB will be savaged in reviews unless it's $199, but could be replaced later with 12 GB.

Bring on the RTX 5050 Ti Super!