Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Ego]

Orban is a fat faggot trying to play both sides. One can only hope someone in the EU can stop sucking cock for one minute and tell Orban if he wants to keep receiving Leopard 2s and PzH 2000 that he should shut his fucking mouth unless he wants a BND asset taking him out the next time he looks at the sun.

 

[Snekposter]

Of course when the competition is the BMP "Doors are fuel tanks".......

Fuel tanks aside its got better armor protection than a BMP. I mean, if you're on the inside of an M113 you won't need to worry too much about artillery shrapnel, unlike the BMP.

It gets even worse when you add in the various variants. I'm pretty sure everything Russia is using in Ukraine is some level of frankenvehicle at this point and if their mechanics weren't incompetent drunks I'd feel bad for them.

This is worse than WW2 levels of Frankentanking since at least Aberdeen knew what it was doing.

To be fair, the Pope is somewhat correct. The main reason Russia started this war, aside from rebuilding their Soviet Empire, is because Ukrainians are the closest thing to Russians outside of Russia. Russia is running out of white people (thanks to Vodka and abortions) and Moscow wants to absorb Ukraine's white population into Russia to offset that.

Which is, of course, the wrong thing to do. If I was in Putin's shoes, I wouldn't bother with a war, I'd just offer ethnic Ukrainians prefab homes and money to move to Russia. Show the Ukrainians that they will have money, a nice home, and a nice job that can pay for a family of four of they move to Russia. Essentially, we'd do the same thing Spain did to try and attract colonists to the New World. While at the same time, we'd keep selling oil and gas to the EU to fund this scheme.

It would have been a win-win situation. Russia keeps its reputation as a military power, gains the trust of the EU by becoming its gas station, and they get Ukrainian immigrants coming in to help the ethnic Russian population bolster its numbers, and poverty-stricken Ukrainians get a quick way to get rich.

But I suppose former KGB agents are too barbaric to come up with a plan that doesn't involve human suffering as a catalyst.

Indeed they are brothers, but one of them is a violent, abusive alcoholic and the other one just wants his own place to stay away from that guy.

 

[World in Scarlet]

It would have been a win-win situation.

When people are given comfortable middle class-ish lifestyle, they demand to have a say in government. This situation is extremely dangerous.
The 2011-2013 protests in Russia were partially attributed to this effect. Nobody wants to risk a repeat of that.
It's a balancing act between not being so run down and poor that the country is defenceless, but also not so pleasant that the people have leisure to wonder why they should put up with a tyrant.
I think technology might enable governments to raise the stable standard of living through enhanced surveillance and enhanced indoctrination methods, but the basic issue persists.
Another way to deal with it is to create a permanent state of emergency, for example by deciding on an "enemy" and then attacking it until it responds in some way, "proving" to the subjects that they really are under threat from the Other and retroactively justifying the one-sided aggression. "See, we weren't attacking friendly countries, they were merely putting on a friendly façade while secretly plotting our demise".

 

[Ghostse]

The Ukrainian command in that direction is infamously incompetent. For quite a while now Ukrainian forces in several positions have been effectively encircled, but are not withdrawn for no apparent reason. At the same time, Russians can infiltrate through undermanned lines and advance that way. The order to retreat from Vuhledar also came like a week after the road there was cut off, resulting in pointless losses during retreat. This has been happening since Avdiivka, and nothing is changed. The time isn't used to prepare new positions or anything.

How the hell have they not purged out all the soviet brained officers its been three years goddamn.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Ka-52zisters...

Source.
Novoshakhtinsk refinery got droned:

Spoiler: Footage

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

War is the continuation of politics by other means.

I think the original translation was "with other means", which is apparently an important distinction some politifags would understand the nuance of.

Either way, I've noticed the people who bring that quote up to most tend to come from the politifag side and not the warfighter side.
The whole thing comes of more as an opinion than a fact, IMO

 

[thx1138]

"the intervention has been smooth but if they continue to resist..."
Or, listen to me here, have you considered that Russia's army is fake and gay, they haven't been able to beat a country they share a land border with after three years, and the only thing that will happen if they keep resisting is Russia has another 500% inflation event as their economy sinks further into the toilet.

"The intervention has been smooth." Look, I regard the US' invasion of Iraq as a mistake, and a failure on many levels, a strategic and political bungle that destabilized the region for no real gain for the US. A net negative. And it was (and is) still more successful than "the intervention".

I know we keep playing this game but, like the original DOOM, it's a lot of fun, so lets do it again:

Imagine if after 3 years in Iraq, the US had lost 3000+ M1 tanks, 2500 M2 Bradleys, half of our operating Apache helicopter force, a dozen F22s, An Arleigh Burke class missile frigate, a Los Angeles class submarine, four Ro-Ro vehicle transports, Kuwait was under constant IRBM bombardment from Iraq three years on, and the only way we'd been able to advance as far as Basra and take it was by rendering the city uninhabitable through indiscriminate cruise missile bombings.

But that didn't happen, the Iraqi army crumbled in a few weeks. Occupying the whole country had an entirely different set of problems. But the operational phase of the war was done in next to no time.

This "going smoothly" intervention? It ain't going smoothly. The Russians have suffered so many casualties it beggars belief.

Mister "I have a masters degree, do not respond" needs a head-check.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I'd just offer ethnic Ukrainians prefab homes and money to move to Russia.

The problem is most Ukranians were better off and had nicer homes than most Russians. Ukraine's standard of living had been increasing to be approaching Western European levels. Russia's was spiraling into the Vodka fueled trailer park.

It often gets missed that Ukraine was the Industrial and Technological Heartland of the Soviet Union. Part of the reason Russia can't make shit like the Soviets could is they lost Ukraine.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Ukrainian HMMWV guntruck with GSh-23 cannon:

This one makes me feel some kinda way, since mounting dual M2s on my guntruck in Iraq was a particular wet dream of mine.

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Ukrainian uparmored.... something:

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Russian VW and KPVT 14.5x114mm heavy MGs, 4ea.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

I know we keep playing this game but, like the original DOOM, it's a lot of fun, so lets do it again:

Imagine if after 3 years in Iraq, the US had lost 3000+ M1 tanks, 2500 M2 Bradleys, half of our operating Apache helicopter force, a dozen F22s, An Arleigh Burke class missile frigate, a Los Angeles class submarine, four Ro-Ro vehicle transports, Kuwait was under constant IRBM bombardment from Iraq three years on, and the only way we'd been able to advance as far as Basra and take it was by rendering the city uninhabitable through indiscriminate cruise missile bombings.

But that didn't happen, the Iraqi army crumbled in a few weeks. Occupying the whole country had an entirely different set of problems. But the operational phase of the war was done in next to no time.

This "going smoothly" intervention? It ain't going smoothly. The Russians have suffered so many casualties it beggars belief.

Mister "I have a masters degree, do not respond" needs a head-check.

I swear to God, these retarded faggots get their knowledge of Russia from boomer facebook memes.
"Rusha ain't got trannies" But they do have the highest AIDS rates in Europe, rivaling several African countries.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I swear to God, these retarded faggots get their knowledge of Russia from boomer facebook memes.
"Rusha ain't got trannies" But they do have the highest AIDS rates in Europe, rivaling several African countries.

And their army practices sodomy via dedovshchina, so they're not as faggot-free as they claim.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Storm Shadow/SCALP on the way:

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Ukraine has unveiled a cutting-edge ‘Trident’ laser weapon after the UK said earlier this year it would be sharing its prototypes with Kyiv.

Colonel Vadym Sukharevsky, the commander of Ukraine’s Unmanned Systems Forces, said the laser would be capable of downing aircraft at distances of more than 2km.

“It really works; it really exists,” he said at the Europe Defence Industry conference, adding that efforts are underway to scale up its capabilities.

He mentioned Ukraine was only the fifth country to have a high-power laser weapon in its arsenal.

In April, Grant Shapps, former British Defence Minister, said that the UK’s DragonFire laser could be used in Ukraine to counter Russian drones.

He warned the advanced laser technology could have “huge ramifications” on the conflict, adding the military was rushing to get it into service by 2027.

“It didn’t have to be 100% perfect in order for Ukrainians perhaps to get their hands on it,” Mr Shapps said at the time.

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[Clownish]

Yevgeny "Chudik" Chudnetsov commander of the Azov Medical Department.

Chudik has been captured twice. Before 2022 and at Azovstal. They have starved him, beat him and pulled his teeth out with pilers. Bro is a total unit and after being traded in a POW swap hit the gym and bulked up again.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

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Yevgeny "Chudik" Chudnetsov commander of the Azov Medical Department.

Chudik has been captured twice. Before 2022 and at Azovstal. They have starved him, beat him and pulled his teeth out with pilers. Bro is a total unit and after being traded in a POW swap hit the gym and bulked up again.

>Literally called "Chud"
How am I not supposed to root for these guys?

 

[Snekposter]

Ukrainian HMMWV guntruck with GSh-23 cannon:
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This one makes me feel some kinda way, since mounting dual M2s on my guntruck in Iraq was a particular wet dream of mine.

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Ukrainian uparmored.... something:
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Russian VW and KPVT 14.5x114mm heavy MGs, 4ea.
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Gun trucks are the shit.

Before anyone asks, no, that giant name on the side isn't something the museum painted on just for looks.

Only in a gun truck will you get the ability to live out your Mad Max fantasies of riding shiny and chrome, with your ride's name painted on the side like only the finest hot rods get to have.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

 

[Ghostse]

Ka-52zisters...
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Source.

It is so much worse than that. They've had over half of the Ka-52 run for the Russian military documented as destroyed or rendered unairworthy- like there are pictures showing the Helo fucked up or exploding.

The metric for Russian airframes is "Assume half exist only as a weapon on paper" - they've either been cannibalized for parts (either inability to get them or normal Commander grifting; unlike the Mi-24 which is a fucking beast (a gas-guzzling beast) and has "Supporting the Workers Revolution" levels of spare parts, the Ka-52 is an austerity platform that only has Egypt as the only export customer.) This means its very likely only a squadron or two of Ka-52s are mission-capable and the Alligator is in very serious danger of going extinct in the wild.

Imagine if after 3 years in Iraq, the US had lost 3000+ M1 tanks, 2500 M2 Bradleys, half of our operating Apache helicopter force, a dozen F22s, An Arleigh Burke class missile frigate, a Los Angeles class submarine, four Ro-Ro vehicle transports, Kuwait was under constant IRBM bombardment from Iraq three years on, and the only way we'd been able to advance as far as Basra and take it was by rendering the city uninhabitable through indiscriminate cruise missile bombings.

But that didn't happen, the Iraqi army crumbled in a few weeks. Occupying the whole country had an entirely different set of problems. But the operational phase of the war was done in next to no time.

This "going smoothly" intervention? It ain't going smoothly. The Russians have suffered so many casualties it beggars belief.

Mister "I have a masters degree, do not respond" needs a head-check.

I imagine if the US had been conducting whole-sale massacres of troublesome civilian towns, seizing children and forcing them into boarding schools in Arizona, and basically just do Russian "human life is worthless" tactics there wouldn't have been a very big issue with the insurgency for very long.

Russia trying to speed run Vietnam.
And at least with Vietnam LBJ refused to allow his generals to go above the treaty line; if the US had wanted to they could have flattened Hanoi - guerrilla issues would have been as bad or worse, but the NVA did not win any battles with the US army because they couldn't. But in this case sacred Russian soil has been taken and held for almost half a year. How the fuck do you let that happen and pretend you aren't a failed state?

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Speaking of Vietnam.....

 

[Ghostse]

Speaking of Vietnam.....

Jesus christ. "BMP-3 with factory-option cope cage."
"engage targets upto 5000 meters"
they have video my nigga. Video of the inability of russian guns to hit anything.

This is like trying to sell pintos as the fire department are hosing out a burned out husk of one accross the street.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Storm Shadow/SCALP on the way:
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I was wondering about efficacy of laser weapons to combat the ever growing drone problem at some point before. Seems like a perfect tool for the job, in theory it shouldn't be as expensive as expendable anti-air missiles, which are generally reserved for more valuable targets, and there's practically no risk of collateral damage compared to firearms.