Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[macrodegenerate]

Netflixvania toned down the supernatural elements as far as they could. Almost everything is explained with "THE SCIENCE" and anything that looks like magic is handwaved as some advanced BS that mortals just can't understand.

Unless it's African magic off course. Because black African gods are just the best and fuck the Christian God.

In the OG Castlevania from Netflix, the final boss is death. A skellington with a giant scythe who Trevor barely defeats with a knife forged to kill gods. You really can't get much more supernatural than that. Plus they had Legion which was a wizards magical powers brainwashing a village into serving him. The 3rd season brought a demon tearing open a gateway to hell itself to bring back dracula.

The only way that the Belmont's were unphased by everything was because they were studied in the supernatural. They spent generations fighting the creatures and horrors of the night until they got killing them down to a science I suppose.

Also the Christan argument doesn't make sense. Multiple times in the show we see holy water blessed by priests used to annihilate demons and vampires. To the point where an army of vampires was killed by blessing a river they were trying to cross. Sure devil forgemasters like Isacc were pretty cool, but being able to consecrate weaponry with enough holy power to blow apart a vampire from the inside, and turn any body of water into a sea of death is nothing to laugh at.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

The end of the interview with Browngardt confirms something I and others have suspected, that WB has done such a poor job keeping these characters in the public eye over the last twenty years that most kids don't even know who Daffy Duck is.

The memes are great and all, but they're typically out-of-context, and if the short isn't available to find for the child (because of tech-illiterate parents), of course the kids aren't going to know who Daffy Duck is.

But yeah, honestly, the only Looney Tunes merch I come across are memorabilia for adults. And recently that was mostly for Space Jam. It's harrowing just how much WB doesn't learn its lesson.

 

[Edgeymcedgename]

Warren Ellis is like a better looking, healthier and relatively more successful Bob Chipman.

How could you say something so simple and yet so devastating.

 

[A Grey Cat]

In the OG Castlevania from Netflix, the final boss is death. A skellington with a giant scythe who Trevor barely defeats with a knife forged to kill gods. You really can't get much more supernatural than that. Plus they had Legion which was a wizards magical powers brainwashing a village into serving him. The 3rd season brought a demon tearing open a gateway to hell itself to bring back dracula.

The only way that the Belmont's were unphased by everything was because they were studied in the supernatural. They spent generations fighting the creatures and horrors of the night until they got killing them down to a science I suppose.

Also the Christan argument doesn't make sense. Multiple times in the show we see holy water blessed by priests used to annihilate demons and vampires. To the point where an army of vampires was killed by blessing a river they were trying to cross. Sure devil forgemasters like Isacc were pretty cool, but being able to consecrate weaponry with enough holy power to blow apart a vampire from the inside, and turn any body of water into a sea of death is nothing to laugh at.

And wasn't that all done while Ellis was on the show? Did they really Amp up the "Christians suck, magic is SCIENCE!" Bs AFTER the guy who has openly admitted to hating religion and believing ai, body augmentation, plastic surgery, and nanotechnology is the true path to immortality was booted off the show?


Also if it was intentional, nice use of skellington not skeleton.

 

[Yeshuash]

Also the Christan argument doesn't make sense. Multiple times in the show we see holy water blessed by priests used to annihilate demons and vampires. To the point where an army of vampires was killed by blessing a river they were trying to cross. Sure devil forgemasters like Isacc were pretty cool, but being able to consecrate weaponry with enough holy power to blow apart a vampire from the inside, and turn any body of water into a sea of death is nothing to laugh at.

Considering that a dead bishop who was a complete bastard in life made the holy water it very much did make no sense.

Also I did say they toned down the supernatural elements as far as they could, not eliminate them completely. So we have the whole scenes where we get explanations that vampires cant look at crosses nor because of holy power but do to them getting a brain freeze by looking at symmetrical patterns. Also "death" was stated to be an ancient vampire like being and not the actual grim reaper.

And wasn't that all done while Ellis was on the show? Did they really Amp up the "Christians suck, magic is SCIENCE!" Bs AFTER the guy who has openly admitted to hating religion and believing ai, body augmentation, plastic surgery, and nanotechnology is the true path to immortality was booted off the show?

Also if it was intentional, nice use of skellington not skeleton.

In the very first episode of season 1 Dracula brags how his power comes from science not superstitious beliefs. His wife gets burned at the stake because the asshole bishop claims all her 21 century level medical equipment is witchcraft and in Nocturne demon forging is basically genetic enginery.

 

[A Grey Cat]

His wife gets burned at the stake because the asshole bishop claims all her 21 century level medical equipment is witchcraft

Well...to be as fair as I possibly can be. A woman surgeon in the 1490s(?) Claiming to know better than the catholic church in Europe? Yeah this was the days where a woman could have her head locked in a cage with a tongue clamp for gossiping.

Dracula brags how his power comes from science not superstitious beliefs.

But then he goes and pulls that crap. Ellis is a two headed coin, sometimes he can legit point out the flaws fundies who refuse to leave the middle ages have espoused for years or how anyone with a nice suit and a smooth voice can convince idiots to fork over their life savings to pay for a grandiose mega church, then he puts his dick right back in his mouth with something like having dracula, an immortal, undead, lord of vampires, say "I got this way from science. "

I'm gonna say it again as i said a couple dozen or so pages ago...the best castlevannia animation was fucking captain N 30+ years ago and that show had this Alucard.

 

[Romeo]

These kids today know of the Disney characters, Scooby-Doo, Tom & Jerry, etc. etc. because they're everywhere. WB used to market Looney Tunes like this in the '90s but once Back in Action bombed, suddenly it was curtains. The Looney Tunes library becoming exclusive to Cartoon Network in 2000 and subsequently being dropped in 2004 when Back in Action flopped was one a really bad thing to happen to American animation.

The more I research about animation relating to Warner Bros, the more Mad at the Internet I get. I absolutely despise Warner Bros because they're the most fucking incompetent corporation in everything they do in relating to animation.

The shitshow of Warner Bros Feature Animation where corporate executives micromanaged the shit out of the studio since their debut with Space Jam (1996).

• Fucked over Cats Can't Dance (1997), a musical that I enjoyed watching for being 1940s Hollywood-esque, by not marketing the film at all.
• Fucked over The Quest of Camelot (1998 ), which was supposed to be PG-13 based on Ralph Bakshi's Wizards, but the executives decided to turn it into a Disney knockoff musical, kept changing the script, and moved animators around. All the animators (including a young Lauren Faust) hated working on the movie. (Archive)
• Fucked over Brad Bird and The Iron Giant (1999) by not marketing the film because they were skeptical of animation's success following the failure of the Quest of Camelot, even though it was their fault.
• Fucked over Osmosis Jones (2001) with garbage marketing of the film, and Warner Bros' President of Marketing blamed the 2D animation for why the film failed (Archive), even though the live-action scenes were disgusting and sus as hell (there was a scene where Jones walks to a movie theater that shows Frank's dreams, and one of the posters, even though it was a nightmare, showed Frank's 12 year old daughter as a bride to his 50 year old friend)
• Back in Action (2004) debacle, apparently development of the film was an absolute shitshow

After that, Warner Bros Feature Animation went defunct.

In the 2010s, the corporate executives at WB then started micromanaging and fucking over Cartoon Network, starting its decline.

• Fucked over Sym-bionic Titan (2010-2011), Genndy Tartakovsky's passion project, and cancelled it because not enough toy sales.
• Fucked over Young Justice (2010-2013) and denied them a third season when fans volunteered to crowdfund, because corporate executives did not want girls watching the series because "they don't buy toys," and wanted more boys watching.
• Fucked over the Thundercats reboot (2011) by broadcasting the episodes at midnight when every kid is sleeping.
• Fucked over Green Lantern: The Animated Series (2011-2013), because of poor toy sales related to the dumpster fire that is the live-action movie.
• Fucked over The Looney Tunes Show (2011-2013), made by the same people who made Duck Dodgers, by cancelling it in its second season, because it was not as popular as Adventure Time, even though it got a consistent over 1 million viewership per episode. (Every zoomer talks about this show, it would have brought Looney Tunes back to the mainstream, fucking hell)

I wouldn't be surprised if Generator Rex (2010-2013) and The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack (2008-2010) also were cancelled due to WB's micromanagement.

This is coming from the same company that destroyed the potential of the golden goose that is the DC Extended Universe. They did not bother making individual movies for DC superheroes because they want to speedrun to their version of The Avengers and thus obliterated everything in Justice League (2017). Even so, what they did to Snyder, even though I am mixed towards his films, was malignant and disgusting.

I want nothing but total WB death and every executive under them blacklisted.

 

[Yeshuash]

Well...to be as fair as I possibly can be. A woman surgeon in the 1490s(?) Claiming to know better than the catholic church in Europe? Yeah this was the days where a woman could have her head locked in a cage with a tongue clamp for gossiping.

That's also shows the writers did not do there research. Walachia at the time was not Catholic but Orthodox.

 

[Edgeymcedgename]

That's also shows the writers did not do there research. Walachia at the time was not Catholic but Orthodox.

Do you really think a reddit Atheist can tell the difference?

 

[Hamsteroid]

Do you really think a reddit Atheist can tell the difference?

There is no difference since both are just made up

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Back in Action (2004) debacle, apparently development of the film was an absolute shitshow

My friend and I came to the conclusion the execs hated Joe Dante because he understood Looney Tunes better than them combined, and so they purposefully sabotaged him out of spite. While I still like Back in Action, reportedly the original script was absolutely hysterical and (importantly) loony.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

Considering that a dead bishop who was a complete bastard in life made the holy water it very much did make no sense.

Also I did say they toned down the supernatural elements as far as they could, not eliminate them completely. So we have the whole scenes where we get explanations that vampires cant look at crosses nor because of holy power but do to them getting a brain freeze by looking at symmetrical patterns. Also "death" was stated to be an ancient vampire like being and not the actual grim reaper.

In the very first episode of season 1 Dracula brags how his power comes from science not superstitious beliefs. His wife gets burned at the stake because the asshole bishop claims all her 21 century level medical equipment is witchcraft and in Nocturne demon forging is basically genetic enginery.

no wonder leftoids like OSP didnt mind "fridging" in that case, because killing her affirmed their shitlib beliefs that christians le bad and anti-science

 

[macrodegenerate]

Considering that a dead bishop who was a complete bastard in life made the holy water it very much did make no sense.

Also I did say they toned down the supernatural elements as far as they could, not eliminate them completely. So we have the whole scenes where we get explanations that vampires cant look at crosses nor because of holy power but do to them getting a brain freeze by looking at symmetrical patterns. Also "death" was stated to be an ancient vampire like being and not the actual grim reaper.

In the very first episode of season 1 Dracula brags how his power comes from science not superstitious beliefs. His wife gets burned at the stake because the asshole bishop claims all her 21 century level medical equipment is witchcraft and in Nocturne demon forging is basically genetic enginery.

I think one of the major themes of the show is that science alone or magic alone won't do you much good, and that one can give rise to or create the other. Dracula was a major threat because he was supernatural, but used science and it's practical applications to augment that.

By contrast Trevor and his family, the Belmont's, created a branch of practical science used to deal with supernatural threats, and explain some aspects that could be understood.

I haven't seen Nocturne, but from what you're saying it seems like devil forging has advanced to a point where the application of supernatural technique is continuously being refined methodically. If there's still magic, it's magic, but a layer of observation or science can be derived from it and make it more effective.

Sort of like how Dracula took the magic of a large distance mirror, inverted it and combined it with amplification via a power source to give his castle the ability to teleport.

 

[Edgeymcedgename]

I think one of the major themes of the show is that science alone or magic alone won't do you much good, and that one can give rise to or create the other. Dracula was a major threat because he was supernatural, but used science and it's practical applications to augment that.

By contrast Trevor and his family, the Belmont's, created a branch of practical science used to deal with supernatural threats, and explain some aspects that could be understood.

I haven't seen Nocturne, but from what you're saying it seems like devil forging has advanced to a point where the application of supernatural technique is continuously being refined methodically. If there's still magic, it's magic, but a layer of observation or science can be derived from it and make it more effective.

Sort of like how Dracula took the magic of a large distance mirror, inverted it and combined it with amplification via a power source to give his castle the ability to teleport.

How dose the Christian beating his gay black slave "out of love" fit in this?

 

[A Grey Cat]

That's also shows the writers did not do there research. Walachia at the time was not Catholic but Orthodox.

I'm just surprised the writers still have sticks up their asses for the catholics. They've stood up for everything from gays to abortion to even transgenders in recent years.


But I guess it's cause everyone and their mother knows what a catholic is and has a general idea of the hierarchy. Even if they've never been inside a cathedral, but who among the general populace knows anything about orthodox? Beyond the slightly different cross and they celebrate christmas in January?

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

This list is so fucking ass. Why is Nu-Ra Catra number 3??

Edit: Here’s the article this came from.

https://www.cbr.com/best-cartoon-villains-of-all-time/

 

[Papa stink]

This list is so fucking ass. Why is Nu-Ra Catra number 3??
View attachment 6769112
Edit: Here’s the article this came from.

https://www.cbr.com/best-cartoon-villains-of-all-time/

The fact the DCAU Joker isn't on here shows how bullshit this list is. (Him being from a Comic isn't an excuse as Catra's franchise is based on a toy line)

 

[Cleverbot]

Why is Nu-Ra Catra number 3??

What's more villainous than nearly destroying the universe over feelings?

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Just remove the 3 last and put the Joker from DCAU.
Azula is top notch, and Zaheer had the bad luck to being in a bad cartoon.

 

[The Nothingness]

The fact the DCAU Joker isn't on here shows bullshit this list is. (Him being from a Comic isn't an excuse as Catra's franchise is based on a toy line)

Or even villains from 80s cartoons like G1 Megatron.