Fanfiction Horrors

[Dr. Arinsu]

The author of that fic has GOTTA be underage, which is concerning. Underage fic authors should not be writing smut, let alone noncon. I mean, I know it's really common actually since it's honestly a pretty safe way for teens to grapple with their sexuality (eta: not referring to noncon here, just smut generally), but at the least they really should not be posting it publicly!

I used to do that when I was a kid, it's dangerous because you can attract unwanted people especially adults, which causes you to get targeted. No wonder why the FanFiction Community has had quite the reputation and or accusations of Grooming (Especially in Fandoms) because most of the times its either based on Fanart/FanFiction being sent to a minor or just general aids.

 

[soft breathing]

[link to the fic]

On the topic of "shit that's overhyped thanks to social media but totally not worth the hype":
A deprived COD pooner fic, yay woohooo. Reading it left me feeling disgusted.

It caught my attention because someone on x was commissioned to do a fanart [NSFW, obviously, be careful] of it, and since my eyes already got violated by seeing it - why not read the piece of fiction that inspired the piece of art?

What a mistake.

Spoiler: this is bullshit

Seems completely healthy to get turned on and feeling jealous by watching your superior choke someone out.


I bet Ghost stinks; no, seriously, he probably does.
Someone, especially a dude, wearing heavy gear, running around, sweating, etc has to smell terrible after some hours and you cannot change my mind here.

I bet Ghost was like "OH GOLLY GEE WHAT DO WE 'AVE 'ERE?!". Or something. Maybe it's just terrible wording, but "finding his cunt on accident" really sent me.
Bonus: "the unwashed smell of him" - what is it with pooners loving to be nasty and unwashed?

How does a clit cum all over someone's gear?

Soap's in a totally healthy state of mind and this probably isn't a projection of the author's mental state - getting off on thinking about someone killing another human. Totally & completely normal.

While I do think that Soap needs to get some sense slapped into him by Ghost - this is not what I had in mind. This is nasty and I hate everything about this. Nothing about beating someone else is sexy, nor should it be sexy.

Simply lovely.

All this fic needed to be perfect was some piss-fetish, but we can't have it all, can we?

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

Jesus that fic reads like AI RP on a site.

 

[Petrusha the White]

I used to do that when I was a kid, it's dangerous because you can attract unwanted people especially adults, which causes you to get targeted.

Yeah, when I say "safe way" to grapple with your sexuality as a teen I'm referring to the writing itself, not posting it, engaging with readers, or even really reading other smut fics. Definitely NOT participating in the smutty side of a fandom community, that is for adults ONLY. I do think that reading written porn about explicitly fictional characters (and not reader inserts/characters made solely for use in r18 material) is "safer" for developing minds than watching irl porn, because it's way more levels of abstraction away from real sexuality and requires a certain level of imagination to even 'get anything' out of it - but in an ideal world 18+ filters on websites (even AO3) would actually work. At the end of the day, abstraction or not, it still crosses the treshhold of "I don't think minors should be exposed to this." But I do think that privately writing about sex between characters you like is a healthier version of self-exploration on this topic than scrolling PornHub or, worse, getting sexually involved with your peers or even trying to sneak into online fetish communities. A fic that you write is completely within your control, stops when you want it to stop and doesn't go anywhere you don't want it to go, and has no actual real life consequences because it involves no actual real life people. When trying to figure out "What do I like, sexually speaking?" that's about as safe as you can get... and frankly, I don't think anyone actually expects for nobody to ever ask themselves that question before midnight on their 18th birthday. It's just a part of growing up.
(Though finding extreme fetishes appealing enough to write about them even at that age is a sign that there's something troubling going on. Even then, though, a lot of therapists generally regard writing to be a safe and effective way of processing that kind of thing... I just doubt they generally approve of uploading it to the internet.)

But yes, it really shouldn't be posted. I distinctly remember writing smutfic in high school (age 16 or 17) but 90% of it ended up getting deleted and the 10% I did post wasn't posted until after I'd turned 18. It wasn't even like I was posting it as part of a "community" or anything, the only engagement/discussion came from readers, of which there weren't many to begin with lol. If I had posted it before I turned 18, I would have done so on an account where I could conceal my age and not attract any undue attention/targeting. An author who posts smut and never gives any indication of their age is generally presumed to be an adult, and an adult posting e-rated fic is completely unremarkable... and virtually invisible to predators.

Basically, I'm not going to clutch pearls at the concept of someone under the age of 18 who is writing (or reading) e-rated fic, but if I see someone who is obviously a minor posting or engaging with e-rated fic, I'll be like, hey, that's fucked up! You shouldn't be here!

 

[JesusChristDenton]

Found this fic from a rather peculiar specimen on FA:

Spoiler: pokemon TF fetishism

Apparently this is supposed to be based on an SCP.
Direct link since I can't archive it

The author is naturally one of the usual suspects.

Direct link since again, I can't archive it

I did however, manage to archive their:
Xitter
Bluesky
Steam
Ko-fi

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

Basically, I'm not going to clutch pearls at the concept of someone under the age of 18 who is writing (or reading) e-rated fic, but if I see someone who is obviously a minor posting or engaging with e-rated fic, I'll be like, hey, that's fucked up! You shouldn't be here!

You did that at 16? I did that at 12.

Yeah the worst part is that you can't tell who comments on your fics age unless they make it obvious (IE stating outright or being childish.) at times too much exposure leads to hypersexuality.

If you're like me then you did not get help for smut fics since your doctor told your mother its fine for kids to do it. But I suppose it lays on the shoulders of the parent or their health class to understand sexuality and their feelings.

 

[Petrusha the White]

Places like AO3 (or at least certain tags on AO3, this is probably more of a fandom-by-fandom thing) still play by the old rules of the internet, where there was an implicit (or even explicit) age gate that was enforced by social implications. If you, as a minor, were mature and intelligent enough to both conceal your age and act plausibly like an adult, you were allowed past the age gate, since it's not like anybody could check IDs. People are assumed by default to be adults, you only got outed as a minor if you reveal your age or do something particularly childish. With the rise of social media, most spaces aren't like that anymore. Tumblr, twitter, instagram or whatever the fuck all have reached a critical mass of self-admitted underaged users making it so that the default assumption is no longer that a random user who gives no personal information is an adult - you can no longer make an assumption about their age at all. The constant knowledge you might unexpectedly be interacting with a minor whenever you're engaging with anyone outside your friend/mutual follower circle just makes things awkward. The tragic part is that this still applies to parts of those sites that are OBVIOUSLY 18+.
One thing I will say about LiveJournal and similar sites where fandoms were all segregated into specific groups -- on AO3, you can't actually do anything to keep the minors away. There's nothing stopping them from clicking the "Yeah I'm totally old enough to read an explicit fic" button. AO3 can't check IDs. Hostility in the comments towards anyone stupid enough to act like a kid in the comments section of an e-rated fic is really all you have. (There is a block function but to my knowledge it only prevents the blocked person from commenting/bookmarking/replying to your comments.) But on LiveJournal, if you revealed yourself to be a minor, they just banned your ass.

 

[Chandelier]

Found a T4T Jayce/Viktor fic that talks about 'domestic boyfriends' and 'gay' despite them both being female. Later, I'll be posting 'he who produces flowers' by zbz, the weird Mpreg fic that hasn't been updated in over two months. This T4T AU fic has Jayce being lesbian (gay) married to Viktor and then decides to go back in time to save his own Viktor after skinwalking the other Jayce for whoever knows how long. Fun! It'll be a multi-chapter fic, so here is the first one.

Spoiler

Viktor's eyes are golden, straight gold. Ain't no brown to be found in those gorgeous things. Get it right, lady.


In case you didn't realize: Jayce is skinwalking this universe's Jayce. While it does get admitted later on in the fic, it doesn't change the fact you are literally a parasite in someone else's body, sleeping with someone that isn't even aware that you aren't their original spouse. One would say that's sex by deception.


> He does not belong in this reality
Yeah, but that's not stopping you from enjoying the fruits of someone else's labour, eh? Better yet, they're all trans in every universe; there's never one where they're both actually male, and that's oddly funny to me. Nature all made them female and made them wish they were male, lmao.
> The whole ordeal left behind two deep scars he referred to as unsightly
But the mastectomy scars are beautiful because it got rid of your female breasts and you can't have those because it shows your femaleness. Make it make sense.

Hoo boy, if this Viktor found out that this Jayce ain't his Jayce, eating the wrong piece of cake will be the least of his worries.

> If only there was available treatment for Viktor's disease
This later comes up in the fic, but the author literally has Jayce steal Viktor's accomplishments and old lore regarding augmentation. In the original League lore, Viktor replaced his organs with mechanical ones; here, Jayce is the one suggesting it to him. It basically makes Viktor seem as if he doesn't have any original thoughts and is REACTING to Jayce. My boy can't catch a break.

Runeterra isn't Earth, for one, and two, they don't believe in our God. They have their own gods.


You've said that three times already. Least it's not as bad as the one where they skinwalk their other selves, fuck, and then leave, leaving their original selves to wonder where all that cum came from. Shit can get weird in the multiverse, man.

Well, least you admit it, bud.

If this sounds like something out of The Time Machine, it is. I don't know if the author read that book, but that's from the movie (2002 edition, to be specific) as well.

I wonder if that'll be the sex dialogue when that eventually comes.

Because fuck that nigger Mel, right? She ain't shit. White pussy is where it's at, yo.

Do these people know Viktor is trans? Because it's misleading to have the 'boys in love' tag when both characters are biologically female. Then again, 'sex and gender isn't the same reee' and that's why we have shit like this.

> Be a pooner, writing pooner stories for pooners
> Have a biological female have a Chad jawline, thinks it's realistic
> Only really happens to stronk German women or Slavs
> Ends up looking like clay got baked wrong in a kiln on actual pooners because they tend to be 5'2 and 350 lbs
> MFW

Who knew Viktor joined the Assassin Order? Where's Desmond Miles when you need him?

> Doesn't remember younger Viktor being so intimidating or handsome
That smoulder after the failed suicide attempt didn't give it away? C'mon man. That man could melt tungsten with those eyes.
> You're a big boy
For you.


Prosthetics is what OG Viktor originally worked on, now Jayce swoops in and takes his own lore away from him because that's just how it works now. And BTW, the Undercity does indeed have augments, they just tend to be crude because it's about function and not form. That changed when OG Viktor started perfecting them - which he never gets a chance to do, because Jayce steals all of his work (lore accurate).

Who has the need to act hard to get, again? Wouldn't be...women, would it?

Look at this fucker, stealing Viktor's lines! Get your own! Let Viktor have his own accomplishments! He's a genius inventor to, you know!

You know what would make this so much better?

If they were both actually men, not women LARPing as them. It's a shame because the story itself isn't all that bad, but the moment you make them both trans, it takes away a core aspect of their character because that's all you focus on now. You mean to tell me Viktor hates the scars from a double-lung transplant but loves zippertit scars? That they can't find a cure for his disease but both of them can find testosterone injections because uhhh Piltover can synthesize hormones but cannot cure the effects of The Grey?

Never ask a transman hard questions about their work. They often won't know - and then throw a shitfit when you bother to poke around.

It'll be interesting to see if this gets continued or not. It's not rated Explicit, so there may not be graphic smut scenes, but if there is, it'll just be fancy lesbian sex like how bluejorts wrote hers. You won't be getting meaty man dick, but two roid clits rubbing against each other.

For fuck's sake. I keep seeing this shit.

Just being casually fine with pedophilia, good going JayVik fandom.

On the topic of "shit that's overhyped thanks to social media but totally not worth the hype":
A deprived COD pooner fic, yay woohooo. Reading it left me feeling disgusted.

It caught my attention because someone on x was commissioned to do a fanart [NSFW, obviously, be careful] of it, and since my eyes already got violated by seeing it - why not read the piece of fiction that inspired the piece of art?

What a mistake.

I know Netcrow's stuff and I do indeed like some of her work (especially her Arcane stuff) because she manages to be one of the few NSFW artists that has a grasp on anatomy. However, in that piece, the faces are weird as hell and Ghost looks like he was born with an extra chromosome.

800 bookmarks for sex without showering first? If anything, having a man get out of the shower, freshly cleaned and soaped up, dripping wet with a towel around his waist, is way hotter than one who has been in fatigues for days on end with an unwashed ass and probably shit under his foreskin. But pooners seem to like that because they have a fetish for it and are known for smelling like shit because of the testosterone they take. TAKE A SHOWER, YOU PIGS.

 

[Big Miss Steak]

It caught my attention because someone on x was commissioned to do a fanart [NSFW, obviously, be careful] of it, and since my eyes already got violated by seeing it - why not read the piece of fiction that inspired the piece of art?

What a mistake.

Pooner author 100%. Pooners often enjoy the abuse/suffering of men (whether they get off to it sexually or not depends on the individual pooner). There are elements of this that are almost rape porn (Soap is consenting so not truly rape, but being choked, unconscious, groped, etc. are not normal sexual behaviors). Both vile and sad.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Pooners often enjoy the abuse/suffering of men

I think this is another instance of (choose your favorite: traumatized/developing/mentally unhealthy/way too horny) women wanting to self-insert but also wanting that level of safe remove where the person getting sex is not them.

It starts as yaoi where you're having two "men" having (desired, scary) emotional closeness and a female fantasy interpreted as m/m sex, but that mixture of fantasy and self-insert means things can get weirder and weirder, and/or the reader identifies past the distancing mechanism and decides she's a pooner.

I dunno; let's get some funding and some female undergrads and curate their fanfiction feed for six months and see if we can give them piss fetishes. Or cure their existing piss fetishes; that would probably make it easier to find subjects. I think it'd be interesting.

 

[Petrusha the White]

Women having rape fetishes is nothing new. Go pick up a random "spicy" romance novel off the shelf in a gas station somewhere. 9 times out of 10, the female lead is going to have "My mouth is saying no but my body is saying yes!" sex with the love interest that would DEFINITELY be illega if it happened in real life, and the other 1 time the consensual sex is going to be described as a rape scene anyway (lots of violent imagery and emphasing how the female leader is weaker/helpless/couldn't say no even if she wanted to etc).
The psychological reasoning behind this is so popular among both women who have never been so much as threatened with sexual violence and women who have literally been actually violently raped could support like 20 PhD thesises on its own. There's no real need to get into all that. Women just really like (fictional) rape. (I'm sure, of course, that the operative function here is the fact that no one is actually getting hurt, and you could always close the book/skip to the next chapter if it's not tickling your fancy.)

Rape in fanfiction I think just strikes people as weird because it's male characters that the gals are self-inserting as rape victims on instead of the traditional female bodice ripper protagonist.

 

[Chandelier]

As promised, here is 'he who produces flowers', the fic that's based on Jayce's weird obsession with having kids. Viktor in this is NOT trans, but he does have a magical uterus, and does a lot of stupid shit real women would get arrested for.

Spoiler

Funny how the Mpreg fic that has a trigger warning about BREASTS using maternity ward just fine. Language for me, but not for thee.

Singed dying is absolutely convenient; he was Viktor's rapist-not-rapist and the one who got him on drugs, and what does Viktor do? Go to his funeral. To the funeral of the man who single-handedly ruined his life. Nice fucking characterization there. You shouldn't be crying that the monster who threatened to take custody of your tar babies is dead.

> Dry humping on the couch
Does Viktor not have a cock, or did he lose it by being such an infantile simp?

You're cosmically a joke and I despise you utterly.

Filing for leave at a shitty café you haven't worked for in months. Nice. Should've stuck with the phone sex line, my guy.

Does this mean Ionia, a stand in for Asia, is dumping all the plastic into the water? Because you'd think such an issue would be brought up. Is there even plastic in this world?

Amazing how, despite the insistence of these people that sex and gender are different and we literally can't fucking tell and how men have vaginas yadda yadda...they fucking know what it is in fetuses. They automatically know, be it mother's intuition or the screen on an ultrasound machine. Fucking funny how all that gender shit gets dropped.

> He feels like a disappointment now
Now? You've always been a disappointment, Jayce.

Yeah, cutting someone's brake lines as NINE YEAR OLD is a perfectly normal thing to do. And, of course, that aspect gets left out of the plot because if you are LITERALLY TRYING TO KILL YOUR STEP DAD that should be addressed. The author, being a retard, does not, and thinks this is cute and funny.

> You don't get to choose your family
> Has a speech on how you do indeed get to choose your family
Nice writing there, great internal logic.


Oh man, you're gonna love the trigger warning here.

That's right: Viktor somehow developed the mammary glands of a woman, complete with milk ducts that provide a 'salty taste'. The author is fine with writing Mpreg, but writing about breasts? Big no-no, too female coded and we can't have those cunts in this fic!

> Damp, hungry heat
Now, where is this magic vagina? Near the anus, where the magic uterus is? Under the dick? Do tell.
> Soon he will be able to feed the babies
But you need a TRIGGER WARNING FOR BREASTS EVEN THOUGH THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE FUCKING THERE FOR. WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS RETARDATION.
> I prefer your boobs to mine
Why can't Jayce breastfeed? Their breasts are just like ours - oh, wait.

God, I fucking hate this sappy dialogue. Makes me think they're confessing to the Pope. This entire time, Viktor has never had agency. Not once. You would have never known he was a brilliant inventor had the author not explicitly mentioned that he was. Otherwise, you'd think him a helpless twink that works a shitty job and lives in a shithole apartment. You would never have thought this was Arcane's Viktor. He does nothing to improve himself or change his surroundings; like Max from Life is Strange, he just REACTS TO SHIT. He does not exist independently, he just exists to give birth. Which is misogynistic as fuck, were he a woman. But he's a man and this is Mpreg, so...

I hope your Tendercrisp Tarbabies choke on that disgusting man-milk you dare call 'breast milk'. God, I cannot fucking stand these people. At least with trans Viktor fics I know he's a woman! What the fuck is this?

I think this is another instance of (choose your favorite: traumatized/developing/mentally unhealthy/way too horny) women wanting to self-insert but also wanting that level of safe remove where the person getting sex is not them.

It starts as yaoi where you're having two "men" having (desired, scary) emotional closeness and a female fantasy interpreted as m/m sex, but that mixture of fantasy and self-insert means things can get weirder and weirder, and/or the reader identifies past the distancing mechanism and decides she's a pooner.

They admit as much; having men be abused and getting into these sexcapades is fine because the male body is the only one that cannot be objectified and therefore cannot be dehumanized. By taking women out of the equation, they cannot be objectified and therefore it is empowering to write these stories because they personally are not affected and it is not misogyny, even though the explicit worship of male characters while deeming female ones inferior is exactly that.

I dunno; let's get some funding and some female undergrads and curate their fanfiction feed for six months and see if we can give them piss fetishes. Or cure their existing piss fetishes; that would probably make it easier to find subjects. I think it'd be interesting.

No need. Just go on pooner twitter and see how they infect others. Like Jammidodger grooming teens on YouTube, they groom others via social media.

 

[Big Miss Steak]

Women having rape fetishes is nothing new. Go pick up a random "spicy" romance novel off the shelf in a gas station somewhere. 9 times out of 10, the female lead is going to have "My mouth is saying no but my body is saying yes!" sex with the love interest that would DEFINITELY be illega if it happened in real life, and the other 1 time the consensual sex is going to be described as a rape scene anyway (lots of violent imagery and emphasing how the female leader is weaker/helpless/couldn't say no even if she wanted to etc).
The psychological reasoning behind this is so popular among both women who have never been so much as threatened with sexual violence and women who have literally been actually violently raped could support like 20 PhD thesises on its own. There's no real need to get into all that. Women just really like (fictional) rape. (I'm sure, of course, that the operative function here is the fact that no one is actually getting hurt, and you could always close the book/skip to the next chapter if it's not tickling your fancy.)

Rape in fanfiction I think just strikes people as weird because it's male characters that the gals are self-inserting as rape victims on instead of the traditional female bodice ripper protagonist.

Most of those gas station bodice rippers don't involve choking the woman into unconsciousness and continuing to fuck her lifeless body, however. "I'm verbally saying no but deep down I consent" is a common erotica trope. And I agree there's a lot to unpack into why that's the case. Turn Soap in this fic into an actual woman and you still wouldn't see this scenario in your average spicy romance.

Anyway I won't derail the thread further as I think this goes beyond the scope of the thread, which is laughing at weird fanfic.

 

[Chandelier]

Fellas is it gay to have an Mpreg fic when one character is a woman and is throwing out their birth control?

Spoiler

> Delicate hips
Oh yeah I can tell which one is the woman here.
> Like he was made for this
I mean, yeah - that's exactly what the vagina is for: allowing sperm to reach the uterus and push out a baby.
> Can I fill you up?
"Baby can I fill you up like a gas can? I offer diesel and octane options."

> Yeah you want it
"You want it? It's yours my friend! As long as you have enough rupees!"

> Grind his cock down
You mean that eraser-dick?
> Can I breed you baby?
It's hilarious these people see basic heterosexual sex in the name of reproduction as a 'breeding kink'. It's like your evolutionary desire to reproduce is rearing its nasty head once you see attractive (white) males.
> Gonna come so deep inside
Deeper than the Titan submersible explosion right? HEEYOOO

> Lemme give you a baby
> So what if he had a breeding kink?
Isn't it funny how the True and Honest Man is still a slave to their biological imperative to reproduce? Funny how Viktor sought out an actual male who produces sperm to do it, and not a fellow trans man.

In this fic, Viktor tells Jayce he'd love a second child, and decides to spend most of it baby-trapping him by throwing out his birth control - which makes me wonder if this Viktor has been on T for a long time, or at all.

> It swallows him up
Get it? He's an uwu small man. Look at that tiny frame! He has to rise on his tip toes to kiss Jayce (when he actually doesn't)!

I love how TERFy this fic ends up sounding. Biological essentialism at its finest.

Yes, because baby trapping the one you love as a 'game' sure is a nice way for me to think you're not a manipulative fuck. A second baby? In THIS economy? Homie you're delulu.

> Viktor is in more control of his urges
Now, I wonder why that is? It is because he's actually female, is it?

> You've called me a pathetic lovesick puppy
Well, he ain't wrong there.

> Rub circles on his cock
Just call it a clit, man. You seem to have no issue using the word 'cunt'. And look at that, another Rapunzel pubes mention!

> Barely getting the hang of parenthood
> Is forced to ejaculate into a 'man's vagina' so he can undergo the 'manly' act of pregnancy all because of the innate need to breed
> Openly says that if their partner won't give them what they want, they'll fuck their daughter's teacher
What a character. Surely not someone who would be murdered in a fit of rage IRL.

So your entire existence is just to wait hand and foot for a pooner. There's some underlying psychology there that needs to be addressed.

Nice, now you have to scrub that shit out. Creativity is one thing, but someone's gotta paint those walls and erase those scribbles when it comes time to sell the house.

That's right: the woman who launched a rocket at the council chamber and nearly killed Viktor, causing the events of S2, is seen as no big deal by Jayce. He doesn't recognize her name or react in anger, even though HE FUCKING KNEW SHE WAS A TERRORIST IN S1. Guess having Baby Grogu here really does induce Joe Biden levels of dementia. Jinx gets away with her crimes, and this fucker has to be saddled with a new baby because his pooner spouse wants to use his 'male vagina' as a sperm receptacle. Jokes writes themselves.

That's right: dye her hair the same shade as the woman who nearly killed you Viktor. You got yeeted into this new dimension to begin with because of her. She's responsible for every bad thing that happened in your life, but hey, you get Walking Plot Device who died for no reason!

> Delicate curve of Viktor's hip
Yeah you aren't even trying to hide the fact he's a natal woman. Language like that clocks pooners, every single time. Especially when compared to natal males; it's borderline comical.

> He ruts against where he knows Viktor's cock is hard
So...he's rutting against an engorged roid clit that's 1/10th the side of his meaty man dick. Fun!
> They are so small, but so perfect, dark like his hair
...Are his nipples dark brown? He's a white man, they should be a far paler shade. Why does he have the nips of a nigger?
> Imagine how full they will be. Round
So you didn't get the tit chop. You're a True and Honest Man with female breasts, all of your female reproductive organs intact, but don't you dare call this deceitful bitch a 'woman'. They might just off themselves.
> Large hands swallowing Viktor's waist
What did I say about the comical sexual dimorphism moments? We know who the real man is here.

> You can kiss my cock
What material is there to kiss? It's 1-2 inches.
And yes, that sentence just ended abruptly. Someone didn't proofread properly.
> Kissing Viktor's hard cock
Again, not a lot of material to kiss TBH.

> Cock
> Hole
> Entrance
Just use the latter. It's fine as a gender neutral term. 'Hole' makes me think anus.
> I'll come so deep you'll drip for days
"I'll come so deep Exxon Valdez won't have shit on me.."
> Small hips
What did I say. Sounds very TERFy.
> Works Viktor's cock into orgasm
So you stimulated his clit. Doesn't mean he's going to cum the same way a man with a natal dick will.

> Says he wouldn't force it upon him
> SPENDS THE ENTIRE FIC TRYING TO BABY TRAP JAYCE AND GUILT HIM INTO GIVING HIM ANOTHER KID
What the fuck. Yes, he literally tried to force him. There's no other way around it.

Guess we're in a competition to see who leaks the most: Jayce's cock, or the Nordstream pipeline.

Women having rape fetishes is nothing new. Go pick up a random "spicy" romance novel off the shelf in a gas station somewhere. 9 times out of 10, the female lead is going to have "My mouth is saying no but my body is saying yes!" sex with the love interest that would DEFINITELY be illega if it happened in real life, and the other 1 time the consensual sex is going to be described as a rape scene anyway (lots of violent imagery and emphasing how the female leader is weaker/helpless/couldn't say no even if she wanted to etc).

I won't derail this too much, but those are just power fantasies. If you consent, it is not rape, and those fantasies are always curated to be hot guys the woman finds attractive vs the drug addicted hobos that rape women behind the bushes IRL.

I am more fascinated by the psychology behind it: the women writing it admit they do it because it's a way to avoid objectification. So long as a woman isn't involved, it's fine.

Oh btw @soft breathing just realized the fic you posted was by MGCraig. She's actually aware of her presence on the farms and is currently publishing a book where she legit wrote 'my dom triggers were activated'. Needless to say, her original fiction is just her fanfiction (as Petrusha the White wrote) with the serial numbers filed off.

Figured you might have a laugh at this. First JayVik, now Ghoap is canon:

 

[Petrusha the White]

I dunno, the whole "this would be literally indistinguishable from rape if you narrated it from the perspective of literally any character except the 'victim', who is secretly enjoying themselves teehee even though it's soooo bad" is super common in fanfic, too. I think that it just tends to get lost because fanfic writers are a lot more blunt and explicit than bodice ripper authors are - they have no editors to answer to. 'Spicy' novels do in fact get pretty fucking crazy, they just generally have their most pornographic scenes cut. Plus, fanfics tend to be more amateurish (I say "tend to" not to praise fanfic writers per se but to acknowledge that gas station novel writers aren't exactly the cream of the literary crop) and have a more difficult time writing contradictory emotions.
Given an extended narrative - like the one that you have to have in a published novel - in a fic, you usually also see the victim character falling in love* with the rapist character. Fics where the rape is exceptionally/realistically violent (bruises and unspecified bleeding don't count) , trauma is depicted realistically, and the rapist is anonymous/an irredeemable and unsympathetic villain/doesn't have a "complicated" relationship with the victim are more of the exception... even in oneshots where nothing happens besides the rape, you still often see a "complicated" relationship being depicted. A lot of times the rapist will even make romantic gestures during/after the rape, which the victim reacts to with confusion instead of assuming they're being mocked. (I can't even tell you how many fics I've read where the rapist kisses the victim and the victim narrates about how soft their lips are and how they're actually a surprisingly good kisser, if only they weren't such a Bad Person!)
*Generally speaking, fanfic authors will usually acknowledge in-text that this "love" is of the psychologically disturbed variety, and personally speaking, most fics I've read that use this plot will not end with the two characters being an actual permanent couple. I genuinely think that a lot of the objectionable narratives surrounding rapist/rapee ships mostly boil down to fanfic authors simply not having the skill to successfully depict a fucked up Stockholm syndrome relationship without making it seem like you, the reader, are actually supposed to be rooting for the rapist somehow.
Also, even in fic, the rapist/"rapist" usually is indeed depicted as being very desirable and handsome outside of the whole rape thing. The drug addicted hobos that rape women behind the bushes IRL are just as mysteriously absent in fanfiction as they are in the gas station novel rack.

But yeah, I agree, dwelling too much on this topic is just going to derail the thread because there's so much to unpack and making sweeping psychological analyses about an entire population is a retard's game anyway. I just think that we shouldn't pretend that this obsession with fictional rape in romance narratives is some weird new thing that fanfic authors came up with. It's not. They just talk about dicks way more than their noble predecessors (the romance paperback writers).

 

[soft breathing]

Most of those gas station bodice rippers don't involve choking the woman into unconsciousness and continuing to fuck her lifeless body, however.

Because nothing about this is appealing or sexy at all. It's concerning as fuck and (probably?!) dangerous as hell.

Figured you might have a laugh at this. First JayVik, now Ghoap is canon:

Soap might have said "And that's why I love the Ghost" in MW2, but if those people looked at the context, this wasn't a heartfelt confession or tender moment. It was just a remark you'd make to a friend/colleague when he says something you agree/vibe with.

Sometimes I wonder if those people lack interactions with people in real life to a degree that makes it impossible for them to comprehend the nuances of human communication. I might have said "I LOVE YOU" to a coworker as well when they did me a favour - this doesn't mean I'd eat them out/suck them off during break.

Don't get me wrong, though - I do not mind shipping at all; Hell, I'm excessively doing it as well. But I genuinely cannot grasp the need to over interpret everything that happened in canon until it fits their fanon narrative.

 

[Petrusha the White]

Sometimes I wonder if those people lack interactions with people in real life to a degree that makes it impossible for them to comprehend the nuances of human communication. I might have said "I LOVE YOU" to a coworker as well when they did me a favour - this doesn't mean I'd eat them out/suck them off during break.

Don't get me wrong, though - I do not mind shipping at all; Hell, I'm excessively doing it as well. But I genuinely cannot grasp the need to over interpret everything that happened in canon until it fits their fanon narrative.

I think the first paragraph answers the implied question in the second paragraph.

 

[Chandelier]

Not a trans Viktor fic (but I'll cover one later), but one where Jayce is an absolute jackass to Viktor for no reason and should get his nuts caved in.

Spoiler

In this case, I can understand where Jayce is coming from. Mage Viktor really did just stand around and let him suffer for months as a means of 'humbling' him and showing him what Viktor went through - all while the main universe Viktor was growing his commune and becoming more of a threat. This particular Viktor really is the cause of all his suffering, but he later takes it out on other Viktors that have not gone through that arc yet.

> It is Viktor to blame
Correction: Mage Viktor. The other Viktors haven't done anything wrong yet.
> Suddenly dead, living dead space
What?

Oh that's nice, Jayce. Acting like an asshole when you don't even KNOW this Viktor. Trying to change the world by encouraging Viktor to start the Glorious Evolution quicker. You go, Golden Boy!

He tells himself he shouldn't be rash and shouldn't be cruel, and yet he does all of this while having the nerve to call Viktor his 'greatest friend'. You're right, it IS petty as shit - and you are not changing the future by convincing this Viktor that it really is the best decision to leave you in the muck. If my so-called best friend and partner appeared out of fucking nowhere, ranting and raving at me for no fucking reason, you bet your ass I am hating his ass. Boy needs to be humble.

> Makes Jayce want to punch him
FUCKING WOW, MAN. You want to punch a weaker man, who currently looks up to you? You really want to do that? Fucking prick.
> If only he understood a fresh-faced graduate
I'm pretty sure he understands. He's also a Zaunite living among Piltovans who hate Zaunites, so watch your mouth. Love how Jayce is talking from a place of privilege here. He has always endured that humiliation, but he didn't hold grudges over it, unlike 'good boy' Jayce here.
> Viktor has no sympathy or humanity
Keep acting like that and I won't shed a tear when he turns you into a Jackson Pollock painting with his Hexclaw. In fact, I'll pay him to do it.

I'm waiting for Jayce to make a comment on choice, here. Viktor doesn't like crowds and makes that clear; Jayce decides he wants to humiliate him as punishment for what Mage Viktor did. Fixing the paradox by creating worse timelines, peak IQ.

That isn't a devastated plea. Those are the words of an irrational, insane man who drops into a new universe and decides the first thing he's going to do is insult and humiliate the man he claims to love. Then, when Viktor does the rational thing to such irrational behaviour, Jayce whines and complains.

There is nothing here that makes him look sympathetic. I hate him more than I do Abby from TLOU.

He's not on your side because you aren't fucking acting rational, Jayce. You are acting as if you despise him, and for what? Because you 'love' him? Because you want him? Fuck off. You lost my respect the moment you opened your mouth, and body checking Viktor right into the goddamn wall makes me hate you even more. Great job, author, for creating a so-called sympathetic protagonist.


> His tongue instantly drawing to the red blips
Eh, what? You mean swollen taste buds?
> Needs to see Viktor in any waking form at all
For what? So you can humiliate him further? Insult him some more?

That's future Viktor. You are not preventing that trajectory by being an absolute ass to him - and trying to fucking choke him, no less!

Look at what you've done, Jayce. This Viktor was in love with you. Now you showed him how much of a monster YOU are. Choking a dying man when you went there to comfort him to begin with? Genuine psychopathic behaviour.

I do not blame Viktor at all for being disgusted at this Jayce. He tried to choke him when he thought he was there for comfort. And Jayce has the FUCKING AUDACITY to wonder if he could salvage that? Maybe try NOT FUCKING CHOKING YOUR PARTNER TO DEATH, ASSHOLE. 'Selfish impulse' doesn't even begin to describe it. You're just a retarded moid who couldn't think, 'this Viktor is sick and dying, shouldn't I try to talk to him?' Fuck your love. Hope it burns you like Dresden.


> Wishes he could've figured out Viktor's past
> Does everything in his power to piss off every instance of Viktor and encourage him to end the world faster
> I am supposed to see Viktor as the villain

And of course he fucking forgets Sky...despite the both of them hiring her. Poor Sky.

Look at that. In this universe, Viktor married Sky, the fridged black woman, and Jayce fucking despises it. Just come right out and say it isn't fair that a nigger took your man, Jayce.

Imagine fucking saying this at a funeral. A FUNERAL. And you're trying to be 'discreet!' Nothing like telling the man you love and his widow that he's actually a monster who would've stopped at nothing to transform humanity. He clearly achieve villainy in this universe! Show some goddamn respect.

1. Viktor never hated himself, he hated his limitations. Big difference. He valued his mind and was dedicated to helping others.
2. Jayce is really showing his privilege here by refusing to see things from Viktor's perspective, and I am to believe these are star crossed lovers. Fuck right off.

Sky has every single right to hate him. She should have gelded him then and there for saying those things at a FUNERAL. I hope that in every universe this Jayce gets turned into silly putty. That is how much I hate him.

Oh, fuck off. You fixed your leg. Viktor could never fix his, otherwise he'd be right as rain. This attempt to put Jayce 'at Viktor's level' is unearned and insulting.

Imagine that: he meets LoL Viktor who is pissed off Stanwick stole his invention, and Jayce still has the gall to ask how it's his fault. I hope that Machine Herald cooks you into toothpaste, Jayce.

Yeah, you don't deserve shit, Jayce. Forget any attempt to redeem him - he can't decide whether he wants to cry over lost loves or strangle him to save the universe. This BPD fic gives me a migraine.

> Sees a universe where Viktor is happy, healthy and beautiful
> Admits he has fragile masculinity and his world breaks
> Later admits he wants to orally rape him (no, seriously)

Yeah, that IS fucking creepy: you're staring at a Viktor you have no inkling about, and already imagine fucking him when he makes noises after massaging his leg. You love him 'so much' you later admit you would've pounded his prostate to change his mind and fuck his throat so badly he'd have no choice but to agree to your terms.

But he's the victim here.

> He loves him
> Has primal urges where he wants to push Viktor to the ground and punish him with brutal deepthroating - to the point where he considers it torture - and gets off on his 'broken moans' and wants to yank him off his 'brittle bones'. Swell guy.

Here we go again: Jayce is such a sweet man, a loving man, Viktor is his entire world, that he wants to fuck him so roughly that his prostate gets wrecked so that the universe can be 'saved'. You could've saved that bit of smut and make it steaming hot if, you know, you weren't a fucking asshole and didn't spew shit at his funeral and shove him around and humiliate him in other universes. Maybe you could save the universe by 'wrecking his prostate' if you were a good person.

> Asks if he likes it rough
Maybe if you used your suave, you might find out? Maybe try...asking him? Because you aren't a sweet, loving person if all you dream about is hurting the one you love. "B-b-b-ut he's trying to save him from himself!" Fuck off. With the way he treated other Viktors, I'm surprised he didn't get his dick bit off during that rough oral dream. He can't decide whether he wants sweet, precious sex or bully Viktor's prostate.

Oh but he's the center of your world...you love him so much...sure thing, buddy. You change your mind quicker than Hillary Clinton after she gets a bad phone call.

> Previously stated he wanted to choke Viktor on his deathbed
> Then says he doesn't 'want this'
FUCK OFF MAKE UP YOUR GODDAMNED MIND

> Asks if he's interrupting
> Jayce says yes
> Leaves
LOL kek. Love this boy.

That's quite a 180 from you wanting to bash his brains in, strangle the life out of him, bully his prostate and fuck his throat. You really are everything, Jayce.

> When did Viktor's eyes get so dark?
...Have you forgotten what you fucking said or DID in those other universes, Jayce? Literally shoving him against the wall, berating him and humiliating him are surefire ways to make him despise you. The gall of this man.

He probably never wanted to hold your hand because you fucking humiliated him over and over and raged at him for no good reason. You deserved a whipping with his cane, not pity.

Poor Viktor. He never gets remembered for his work - he gets retroactively written out of history. No one remembers him.

>Where did they go wrong?
Because they writers smoked some shitty crack.
> Find me instead
So you can yell at him and humiliate him some more?

Hurr Hextech bad! Forget the fact that they didn't need to doom themselves - Mage Viktor did it all for them!

So. You have a tender kissing scene where Viktor doesn't even know Jayce, but allows him to kiss him and is vulnerable. It's tense and sweet, and you think these two hit it off right away. Then Jayce comes right out and asks if Viktor is a slut, all because he hasn't asked Jayce out - despite them just fucking meeting. Jayce then has the gall to call him manipulative EVEN WHEN HE KISSED HIM FIRST.

Why did it have to be this way, he asks? Look no farther to Golden Retard over here.

> Gets asks if he's a slut
> Brushes it off, agrees to date Jayce anyways
The utter patience of this man.

> Is he the one that's broken?
Yes, yes you are. Are you seriously asking that?

> Lunacy of impulse control
Maybe if you were nice Viktor would've let you bully his prostate and the GE could've been avoided, lol.

Grease and oil and brownies? That's...quite a combo. I'd think I'd vomit.

Oh, fuck YOU Jayce. You are right there trying to sympathize with him and trying to understand his struggles and fear of death, and you call him a fool? At this point I'd rather you fuck Ethan Ralph with how fucking monstrous you are.

> Like this is a singular occurence
Nigga, you've lost your emotions EVERY FUCKING TIME Viktor comes around. You've admitted you wanted to kill him multiple times; said you want to rape his throat and break his brittle bones, and want to punish and humiliate him. Now you're getting jealous of Viktor being married to a BLACK WOMAN in another universe and you expect me to forgive your blatant misogyny and think it isn't your fault? Fucking hell.

Eat shit, Jayce. I feel no pity for you and your BPD attitude. Take a hike and get hit by a bus.

> Wants them to grow old
> Still admits he wants to kill Viktor
My man cannot SHUT UP

Hope you choke on a sausage, Jayce.

> We don't belong in any place, so the only solution is to kill ourselves
What do you mean 'we'? If Jayce died, there'd be no GE and Mage Viktor could have no more control over that universe. No more bullying prostates or rough deepthroating.

So do you strangle and humiliate Viktor in all of these universes or do you decide to bully his prostate? I'd love to know so I can hate the character more.

Soap might have said "And that's why I love the Ghost" in MW2, but if those people looked at the context, this wasn't a heartfelt confession or tender moment. It was just a remark you'd make to a friend/colleague when he says something you agree/vibe with.

Sometimes I wonder if those people lack interactions with people in real life to a degree that makes it impossible for them to comprehend the nuances of human communication. I might have said "I LOVE YOU" to a coworker as well when they did me a favour - this doesn't mean I'd eat them out/suck them off during break.

I've posted the data ITT, but these people are literally too autistic to interpret human relationships. I had one commenter on YouTube ask me why I was referring to soulmates as platonic when they initially assumed all soulmates were romantic, and another thought affection had to be romantic because it'd be incest if she had it with her brothers. Yes, she was a Hasan fan. Yes, she was that retarded.

 

[Big Miss Steak]

I had one commenter on YouTube ask me why I was referring to soulmates as platonic when they initially assumed all soulmates were romantic

A little off topic but I love the platonic soulmates trope

 

[Aunt Carol]

A little off topic but I love the platonic soulmates trope

Soulmark-type soulmate AUs are wish fulfillment for teens, late bloomers and shy autists, just in a less toxic way than the incels' government-issued girlfriends. "Looks like we were both born with the same tattoo; welp, your place or mine?"

Except of course one of them is wearing long sleeves and decides not to let the other one know...