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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
And the ibuprofen type painkillers fry your kidneys with longer term use. The irony is that as long as you’re not addicted, opiates are actually safer in terms of organ damage. Of course they’re massively addictive for many so they add paracetamol so you dont take too many.
We badly need whole new classes of painkillers - there’s very little promising in the pipeline that has good funding. Some interesting components of marine and other venoms (spider, etc) but the funding isn’t there. Same as antibiotics. We spend billions on marginally just-as-shit SSRI studies and nothing in new antibiotics and painkillers.
Well, Vioxx and those other new NSAIDs looked that, and then it turns out they gave you a nasty heart attack.

Shame too, since my old man who was in otherwise excellent health save for a herniated disk was willing to risk it. As to the painkillers in general, considering how in-demand they are compared to SSRI's there's always going to be much more scrutiny of bad side effects. No covering up cases of gynecomastia in teenage boys like J&J did with risperidone.
 
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I’m one of those alcoholics that is up early on a Saturday morning to eat breakfast and hydrate, pack his gym bag, and didn’t touch alcohol.

I’m going to be acting like a full blown alchie over Christmas though. I won’t be touching painkillers for my hangover either.
So you admit you are a binge drinker then?
Did I touch a raw nerve?
 
"Binge drinker" is a made-up category of behaviour promoted by muslims who despise the kuffar, lightweights salty they can't hold their beer, angry birds who hate that men go to the pub to get away from nagging women, and the sort of soy-golems who sneer at spoons while sipping halves of quadruple hopped east coast imperial pale I P fucking A and chatting about beard wax. CMV (you can't).
 
The cops knew fine well what the child thieves were coming for and rightly dispersed them
Funny you mention that. Seems like they're not the only area that has issued a dispersal order recently as a result of "it's just kids bro."


Kilsyth. The cops complained to the social work in Kilsyth that the rates of domestics had gone through the roof after FirstBus cancelled the bus service to Camelon.
Not surprising. Used to live there for a very brief period some time ago, they were setting fires on the hillsides back then, by now they're probably sacrificing goats in the flames.

Couldn't they head down to Croy and take the train to Camelon instead?
 
Merry Christmas all. I have had a great year and I'm hopeful for the future. This thread and the site have added to my good cheer.

It has been an eventful year for our great country and I believe the next will be just as important, so I feel it fit to share this poem by Wordsworth:

YOUNG ENGLAND--what is then become of Old
Of dear Old England? Think they she is dead,
Dead to the very name? Presumption fed
On empty air! That name will keep its hold
In the true filial bosom's inmost fold
For ever.--The Spirit of Alfred, at the head
Of all who for her rights watched, toiled and bled,
Knows that this prophecy is not too bold.
What--how! shall she submit in will and deed
To Beardless Boys--an imitative race,
The 'servum pecus' of a Gallic breed?
Dear Mother! if thou 'must' thy steps retrace,
Go where at least meek Innocency dwells;
Let Babes and Sucklings be thy oracles.
 
Yes, yes, Merry Christmas to you all along with every other celebration coming wherever you are. Truly we are blessed to have somewhere to mock the damn place where attempts to find out who we are will be greeted by Null insulting the island.

Here's the gifts of more bullshit.

Prevent to get more powers. Great.
Young terrorism suspects could avoid prosecution if they agree to a diversion scheme, in a new government plan to cope with the post-lockdown surge in youngsters drawn to violent extremism.
The youth diversion orders are part of a host of terrorism reforms announced by the Labour government, including a new tsar to ensure Prevent – the official scheme to deter people from terrorism – is as effective as it needs to be. Ministers claimed they are providing new money to fight terrorism.

The original plan for youth diversion orders was devised by Jonathan Hall KC, the independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, and revealed by the Guardian almost two years ago.
The plan is driven by concerns that tackling child terror suspects with powerful terrorism laws stigmatises them when they are not yet fully mature.

Counter-terrorism officials believe that a section of those arrested, while clearly breaking terrorism laws for having online material such as terrorism manifestos, pose little threat of staging an attack.
The days of terror suspects being driven primarily by a clear ideology are long gone, with most either showing no ideology or it being unclear.
Thus suspects, especially those aged 17 or under, lack a strong commitment to an ideological cause, with a substantial amount having mental health or other vulnerabilities that make them more susceptible to terrorist propaganda.
Key details of the plan are still unclear. Some with knowledge of government discussions believe it will offer an alternative to prosecution, others believe it may lead to youngsters being compelled to take part in Prevent, which until now, has been voluntary.
The maximum age of those the orders could apply to was unable to be stated by officials.
Justifying the plan, Yvette Cooper, the home secretary, said that 13% of those under MI5 investigation for terrorism were under 18, a threefold increase in the last three years.
She also said arrests of under-18s for terror offences have increased from just three in 2010, to 32 in the year ending September 2024.
The proposed new orders would carry legal force and be imposed by a court, and under them youngsters are expected to face monitoring software on their electronic devices to detect if they are accessing extremist material, limits on their use of devices, and having to take part in Prevent.
Cooper also said the threshold at which Prevent becomes involved with people will be reviewed. At the moment Prevent is only suitable for those with a clear extremist ideology.
Cooper said: “A lack of clarity remains over whether Prevent should be confined to cases of clear ideology or should also be picking up cases where the ideology is less clear, or where there is a fixation with violence.”
Recent Prevent statistics showed most referrals were for individuals with a vulnerability but no ideology or counter-terrorism risk.
Cooper promised changes to the Prevent programme and a new commissioner to oversee how it works.
Hall said: “I wouldn’t underestimate the ambition packed into this announcement. Along with their desire to look again at Prevent thresholds, ministers are clearly pressing for a radically different approach to dealing with youths coming across the terrorism radar. The key words are intervention, and early.”
Cooper said funding for counter-terrorism policing will increase next year by an inflation-busting 14% to almost £1.2bn.
Also on Tuesday the Home Office tried to neutralise claims from police chiefs of a looming funding crisis by claiming it was planning a big cash boost to improve policing on the streets of England and Wales.
The government claimed a real-terms increase in force funding of 3%, up to £19.5bn. But £330m of that will come from council tax, and only if local politicians decide to increase it.
The Met believes it will get £50m extra, but just for one year, and a source said that tough cuts affecting crime fighting would have to be made.
The chief constable Paul Sanford, who is the National Police Chiefs’ Council’s lead for finance, said: “The funding settlement announced today presents real challenges for policing, with forces facing an estimated £1.3bn gap in finances over the next two years. This will inevitability lead to cuts across forces.”
Andy Cooke, the chief inspector of constabulary, described the settlement as “fair”, given the tight financial circumstances the government inherited.
Lisa Smart, the Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesperson, said: “Years of failure and ineffective resourcing from the previous Conservative government decimated neighbourhood policing – taking officers off our streets and leaving our communities far less safe.
“The government should be stepping up to fix this by properly funding the officers our communities need – not passing the buck to local police chiefs to put up people’s council tax instead.”
Meanwhile another "charity" sends £750,000 to Pakistan without a clear trail on what it's to be used for.
Three trustees of an international aid charity have been disqualified following a two-year investigation by the regulator.

The Charity Commission took the decision after it carried out a statutory inquiry into the Quba Trust, which according to its website was based in Mayne Avenue, Luton, set up "to alleviate poverty, provide disaster relief and promote the Islamic faith".

It said it "found the charity was poorly managed and its now former trustees had a serious disregard for, or lack of understanding of, the importance of proper financial management and controls".

The charity has been asked to respond to the disqualifications and findings.

The commission said the Quba Trust was set up to provide disaster relief and advance the Islamic religion in the UK and overseas.

It said routine monitoring first raised "serious concerns" about the charity's governance and financial management.

"This was of particular concern due to the charity's international operations in Pakistan."

The commission said the charity's then trustees also failed to act on regulatory advice and guidance, issued to make improvements in order for it to meet legal obligations.

Some of the failings, which amounted to misconduct or mismanagement, included poor record keeping, lack of evidence of use of charitable funds used overseas - and late filings of accounting documents.

The former trustees were unable to account for more than £250,000 transferred overseas, with a further £500,000 lacking a satisfactory financial audit trail, the regulator found.

"This breached their legal duties and was in contravention of the governing document, which constitutes a breach of trust and is misconduct and/or mismanagement in the administration of the charity," the commission said.

Separately, while the charity was largely inactive and under investigation by the commission, the body found it had spent more than £36,000 on a consultant.

Three people, found to be unfit to be a trustee or hold senior management positions in any charity, were disqualified for periods ranging between five and 10 years.

Since the inquiry, the current trustees have taken a number of steps to address the failures and weaknesses in the charity's governance, the commission said.

Joshua Farbridge, for the Charity Commission said: "Charities which operate internationally can be more vulnerable to abuse or harm as a result of where and how they operate.

"Our routine monitoring visit identified concerns which should have been addressed by the former trustees but were not."
When attempts to be more diverse backfire.
The government have released an apology after launching an 'offensive' NHS poster featuring a Sikh man whilst urging the public to quit smoking.
The poster featured a stock image of a Sikh man wearing a turban alongside the phrase: 'Make 2025 the year you quite smoking'.
It has since been deleted from the NHS website.
The Sikh Code of Conduct, also known as the Rehat Maryada, strictly forbids the use of tobacco as well as opium, liquor or cannabis.
The first Sikh guru, Guru Nanak, believed that the consumption of any mind-altering substance - which wasn't used for medical reasons - would only distract from God.
According to their religious code, Sikhs are not allowed to even go near to such substances - even by mistake.
It is understood that although the advertisement contained NHS branding, it was commissioned by the Department of Health and Social Care.

Health Secretary Wes Streeting branded the advertisement 'inappropriate' and 'offensive' in recent correspondence with Sikh Federation UK seen by Sky News.
The Ilford North MP has said he will look into how the blunder arose so they can put steps in place to 'make sure similar mistakes aren't repeated'.
Harwinder Singh from the Sikh Education Council told the publication that he hopes the NHS as well as other factions of the government can learn from such errors.
Mr Singh noted while there are Sikhs who do smoke, using a picture of a turbaned Sikh for the poster creates an association between 'smoking tobacco and the wider Sikh community specifically'.
A Department for Health and Social Care spokesperson said: 'This image was included in our Stop Smoking campaign materials in error and we apologise wholeheartedly for any offence caused.
'The post was never used on DHSC channels and the image has been deleted and we are putting processes in place to ensure mistakes like this do not happen again.'
For bonus offensiveness I believe Mr Singh is fine with weight loss being associated with a certain community based off an image from the same bunch that was not complained about.
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Police having another round of "slap the autist." I also want to give the Guardian credit because the majority of other outlets painted the headline as though both officers were slapping him around.
A police officer who slapped a 16-year-old boy with mental health difficulties “multiple times in the face” as he was being transported to a hospital in London has been found guilty of assault.
The judge, Briony Clarke, found Metropolitan police constable Sevda Gonen guilty of assault for striking the boy “multiple times in the face with an open palm” after “she allowed her frustrations to get the better of her” on 13 November 2023.

Gonen, 33, of Leytonstone, London, and another Met PC, Stuart Price, 35, were also found guilty of carrying out an unlawful search, amounting to assault by beating, at Westminster magistrates court on Friday.
Police were initially called after the boy was reported to have been aggressive at his home address and acted violently towards a mental health worker who was attempting to perform an assessment.

A camera inside a police vehicle captured a conversation between the officers on their way to the boy’s home, in which Gonen was heard to call him “a fucking little shit”, the court heard.
Price said of the boy: “He’s a fucking dickhead,” with his colleague replying, “I’ve had enough of him.”
Gonen apologised for the remarks on Thursday, telling the court the conversation was “in the heat of the moment”.
Lyndon Harris, prosecuting, said Gonen “in particular disliked” the boy and “had formed the impression that he was wasting their time by faking some form of mental illness”.
Once at the address, Price, of Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire, offered to drive the boy to hospital in a police van after his mother told officers she was concerned for her son’s welfare.
Footage from the police van showed that the boy lit a cigarette and started to smoke during the drive, the court heard.
Gonen then climbed into the caged back of the vehicle and pushed the boy into the corner, which the prosecution accepted was lawful. After a struggle, the boy was placed in handcuffs but not arrested.
In a subsequent use of force form filled out by Price, the officer said the boy had “actively offered resistance to Gonen’s efforts to take his cigarette”, with Gonen writing in her form the boy offered “aggressive resistance”.
Gonen said the boy’s smoking made her “panic” as there were “huge safety risks”, adding that she has asthma and smoking in the vehicle was “criminal damage”.
The boy was searched after officers expressed concern he could have something in his pockets.
The prosecution said the search was unlawful as the boy had not been arrested.
Price told the court the search was to “prevent further offences taking place”.
Clarke said she was satisfied that the search was unlawful, adding that the officers carried it out “giving no thoughts to what power they had or even if they had any powers”.
Gonen and Price will be sentenced on 24 January.
Thames water continues to spiral down the plughole, I suspect it will go under under Labour forcing us to bail them out.
Thames Water has been fined £18.2 million by regulator, Ofwat, over 'unjustified' dividend payments to shareholders.

Ofwat said the fine was for paying £158.3 million in dividends to shareholders in October 2023 and March 2024, which Ofwat says breached condition P30 of its licence.

The regulator said it will claw back £131.3 million of the payments so it does not come out of customer bills.

In documents released by Ofwat, Thames Water claimed the payments were necessary to ensure it had ongoing access to debt markets.

Ofwat disagreed with this assessment, saying the payments resulted in 'the extraction of value' from Thames Water.

Thames Water also told Ofwat the payments were 'in the best interests of its customers and the environment', which Ofwat said it was 'not convinced by'.

The regulator also said it considers the contravention of Thames Water's obligation to be 'serious' and said the payments were not trivial.

It is the first time the regulator has taken enforcement action against Thames Water over its dividends payments.

A Thames Water spokesperson said: "We take our licence obligations very seriously, including those relating to the declaration and payment of dividends.

"The dividends were declared following a consideration of the Company’s legal and regulatory obligations and its dividend policy has been updated to reflect the requirements of Licence Condition P30.

"Consequently, we disagree with Ofwat’s decision and we will be providing a comprehensive response to their consultation in due course.

“No distributions have been made to external shareholders of the group and they have not taken an external dividend since 2017 to prioritise investment in improving service for customers and to protect the environment.

"Our plans assume no external dividends to shareholders until at least 2030, to support our turnaround.
Also here's another reason why Labour want these new devolved powers. To stop things like this when the people, their elected MPs and the law all tell them it's right and proper. Can't have that!
A legal challenge against the decision to remove a set of Low Traffic Neighbourhoods (LTNs) from a London borough has been struck down, after a High Court judge ruled that the move was lawful.
Campaigners from Save our Safer Streets had argued that Tower Hamlets mayor Lutfur Rahman broke the law in the way he decided to remove three LTNs in September last year.

But the council’s lawyer accused the group of attempting “an impermissible interference with democratic decision making”.
The decision could have political and legal repercussions across the capital, as it could set a precedent for boroughs who try to peel away from London mayor Sadiq Khan’s over-arching transport strategy.
All seven grounds argued by the pro-LTN campaigners were struck down, but the group said that they still intended to appeal against the ruling.
The three LTNs in question were located in Columbia Road, Arnold Circus, and Old Bethnal Green Road - and all had stayed in place pending the outcome of the legal challenge.
Mr Rahman had promised, in the manifesto on which he was re-elected in 2022, to “reopen our roads, and abolish the failed Liveable Streets scheme, which has seen emergency services and vulnerable residents’ access blocked”.
The Tower Hamlets mayor - who is the leader of his own political party, called Aspire - said he “welcomed” the court’s finding that his decision was lawful.
The LTNs were introduced in 2021 by the borough’s previous Labour mayor, John Biggs. They include cycle lanes, pocket parks, seating areas and large planters that prevent residential streets being used by through traffic.

One of the seven arguments made by the pro-LTN campaigners was that, despite Mr Rahman’s 2022 manifesto pledge to remove the LTNs, there was still a “failure to give adequate reasons” at the time of him taking the decision in 2023.
Mr Rahman said at the time that he was removing the schemes because they had a “divisive” effect on the local community, they displaced traffic onto “arterial roads”, they caused problems for residents running local businesses, led to concerns about ambulance access, and also caused difficulties for the council’s bin collections.
While the campaigners claimed these reasons were “unintelligible and inadequate”, the High Court’s Mr Justice Fordham concluded in a 31-page judgment that the borough’s mayor should be given “generous latitude for evaluative judgment and choice”.
The campaigners had also argued that Mr Rahman was in breach of a duty to provide “best value” for money for the borough’s residents, pointing out that removing the LTNs would cost £2.5m. But the judge ruled that the borough’s mayor was “informed in a legally sufficient way, so as to be able to make a decision having regard to cost and value”.
In addition, the council was accused of having run a consultation about the LTNs’ removal which was “so unfair as to be unlawful”. The campaigners said this was because an extra, “compromise” option - which would have kept some elements of the LTNs in place - was added in only after the consultation had already concluded.
But Mr Justice Fordham pointed out that this option was not the one chosen by Mr Rahman, and there was a lack of evidence in any case that it “could have captured unifying support from a polarised community”.
Transport for London had argued that Mr Rahman’s decision was at odds with the ‘local implementation plan’ (LIP) which had previously been agreed between the borough and London mayor Mr Khan. The judge concluded however that there was “no obviously relevant consideration as to the fact or contents of the LIP which was unreasonably omitted from consideration in the making of the decision”.
In a statement following the ruling, Mr Rahman said: “While LTNs improve air quality in their immediate vicinity, the previous Labour administration’s botched implementation of LTNs in Tower Hamlets caused traffic congestion on main roads. This led to complaints about increased air pollution and negative impacts on the health of many who live on main roads, which are predominantly working-class households.
“The gridlock traffic also caused severe delays to bus services, undermining efforts to boost public transport use - a crucial part of the strategy to reduce emissions – and concerns were raised about the impact on residents with mobility restrictions and on emergency services, including objections by the London Ambulance Service. The Labour administration’s mishandling of the implementation of the LTNs ended up penalising many working class residents, public transport users and others.

“I welcome the High Court’s ruling that the council followed the proper procedures. We had a responsibility to fulfil the democratic mandate from voters in the May 2022 election to reopen these three roads and we also held further consultations to ensure the views of all affected residents were considered.”
Jane Harris, from Save our Safer Streets, said the campaign was “extremely disappointed” by the ruling.
“We brought this judicial review as a last resort,” she said. “Our low traffic neighbourhoods are a major success story in a deprived area of London, virtually eliminating serious road injuries and improving air quality inside and outside the schemes…
“It’s important to note that the judge himself said that this case was not about the rights and wrongs of removing the scheme, just about whether the decision was legal. This decision has always been and still is a bad one - expensive, rushed and dangerous. We are deeply concerned about one council adopting a policy that is so at odds with what its own residents want, and with the transport policies of both regional and national governments.
“Our legal team has told us that we have grounds for an appeal. This application could cost about £30,000 more than we have already raised, if we go all the way to a hearing, so we are raising funds again at CrowdJustice.com. We hope people will continue to support us in this vital mission to keep Londoners safer and healthier.”
Now have the same story form the BBC point of view. Notice how much is "but this special interest group who just in court says it is wrong! Listen to them, ignore the majority voting in someone who campaigned to remove them, we represent the real will of the people."
The High Court has allowed the removal of three Low Traffic Neighbourhoods from Tower Hamlets in east London.
The move has been criticised by campaign group Save our Safer Streets (SoSS) who argued mayor Lutfur Rahman broke the law by removing the LTNs in September last year.
The Tower Hamlets mayor said he "welcomed" the court's finding that his decision was lawful.
Jane Harris from SoSS said they were "extremely disappointed" and would be appealing the decision.
The three LTNs in question were located in Columbia Road, Arnold Circus, and Old Bethnal Green Road and all had stayed in place pending the outcome of the legal challenge.
The decision could have political and legal repercussions across the capital, as it could set a precedent for boroughs who try to peel away from London mayor Sadiq Khan's over-arching transport strategy.
In his manifesto Mr Rahman had promised to "reopen our roads, and abolish the failed Liveable Streets scheme, which has seen emergency services and vulnerable residents' access blocked".
The judge reiterated that the case was not about the rights and wrongs of removing the scheme, but about whether the decision was legal.

In a statement, SOSS said: "With so much support for the Low Traffic Neighbourhoods in Bethnal Green - including from schools, GPs, local residents, the Met Police and TfL - we had to do everything possible to prevent them being ripped out at a cost of millions and without listening to the people who live and work here.
"We believed that there were serious flaws in the way the mayor decided to remove them.
"We are deeply concerned about one council adopting a policy that is so at odds with what its own residents want."
In a statement following the ruling, Mr Rahman said: "While LTNs improve air quality in their immediate vicinity, the previous Labour administration's botched implementation of LTNs in Tower Hamlets caused traffic congestion on main roads.
"This led to complaints about increased air pollution and negative impacts on the health of many who live on main roads, which are predominantly working-class households."

Transport for London (TfL) had argued that Mr Rahman's decision was at odds with the local implementation plan (LIP) which had previously been agreed between the borough and London mayor Sadiq Khan.
In response to the ruling, TfL said: "Walking and cycling infrastructure, including Low Traffic Neighbourhoods, plays an important role in making our streets safer and enabling more active travel across London.
"Decisions on schemes such as these are a matter for local councils, but we are carefully considering any implications for TfL-funded borough schemes."
 
Do people not know Sikhs? The love to smoke!

It’s like when the entire of the bus on Twitter stood up to applaud an old women saying Sikhs couldn’t drink when he was talking about a trade deal sending whisky to India. Sikh blokes LOVE whisky. A pub near me has a couple of Sikhs who love a good drink in it. Nice blokes and part of the community.

The NHS is retarded. Sikhs have the rules but they don’t need to follow them as strictly or be super hypocritical like Muslims.

It feels like a weird form of liberal racism getting all the brown people mixed up.
 
For bonus offensiveness I believe Mr Singh is fine with weight loss being associated with a certain community based off an image from the same bunch that was not complained about.
Much higher risk/rates of type 2 in people of South Asian ethnic background. They actually do need to put down the fork for their health. They also don't.
 
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