Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

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That's why you shouldn't be friends with cult members. Ideology comes always first. Never be friends with a tranny. They will stab you in the back and push you to obey the rules of their insane belief system.
Yeah, absolutely. It got to a point where he was claiming all sorts of outlandish things like troons can have periods and he'd actually fake period cramps as well. Since me and that girl I mentioned in the original post didn't buy any of it he would just blow his fucking top. But yeah like you said the ideology always came first, even when it was completely unrelated. One of the guys cracked a zero pussy joke on me one time and this fat retard starts talking about his fucking girl dick. Hope i never have to see him again.
 
That's called demonic possession.
Took me so long to acknowledge the existence of good and evil. Our education system and media has abandoned morality for subjectivity and "personal truth". Growing up in this world numbs you to the utterly soulless, straight up evil, shit we tolerate. The true terror isn't the blue-haired liberal, it's the mounds of people who silently, begrudgingly go along with it and allow society to tolerate madness. Our biological disgust towards these perversions should not be ignored.
Your brother is most likely now grooming others and doing god knows how much degenerate shit. The person you loved is gone.
Toughest pill to swallow.
So following in queer theory they need to push and destroy boundaries until there are none left and they can become their own god and do whatever they want.
Resentment really is at the core of all leftist ideology.
There is some hope I believe. I think most troons take several years to realize their own faults and become more reasonable, and some of these end up de transitioning partially or fully. It can take a long time though, sometimes a decade or more. Stand strong and if you have to be the only one who uses his real pronouns, do it. More will follow.
There's always hope for redemption. The best revenge is to not be like your enemy. I read your story as well and I hope you are taking steps to improve your life so when you do see your brother again he sees where your stance has taken you vs. him. The difference will be stark.

I must say Stinkditch has been great gym fuel. For every tranny, there are 10+ people they are peaking with their very existence. I think this whole thing will work itself out.
 
Now in the case of transgenderism at least what I could understand it's a belief that they're imprisoned their bodies imposed on them by society. They truly believe they can destroy society and then create a new reality and make a paradise.

So following in queer theory they need to push and destroy boundaries until there are none left and they can become their own god and do whatever they want.
Definitely. It is no coincidence trans people tend to be atheist and often Satanist, often embracing the baphomets image and upside down pentacle. They want an upside down world, where men are women and women can be men. They view themselves as their own God, able to create and bend at will even to create a new body exactly in opposite to God's image. They already believe themselves to be a God, which further pushes the common troon narcissism. Others (sheep) around follow, and put the troon on a pedestal. I find it no coincidence the ones who have reached out to me and who are kindest to me about my brother majority of the time have God in their life and are true followers of Christ.

Troons and troon supporters say the Satanism is ironic and just for fun/to reject ""religious trauma"" but don't believe them. Many practice magic, up to and including blood magic. Lucifer is the purveyor of lies, after all.
 
My kid is still not talking to me, I haven't reached out in over a year, other than sending her gifts on her birthday and Christmas.

I really miss her, and the holidays aren't helping of course. It amazes me that it's been 2 years since she decided not to talk to me anymore, over a comment on a post on Facebook that had nothing to do with her. Absolutely nothing. She and I hadn't been arguing at all, everything was okay, until it wasn't. All because she didn't like a comment I'd made about a total stranger to both of us. I will say she had upped the antagonistic comments around that time, but I'd just refuse to engage and change the subject.

I also want to clarify that my initial post was made when I was really upset with her, but I have never insulted her looks, her weight, or her belief in this silly ideology. Yes I was insulting here but it's supposed to be where we can vent, right? I would never pick on her or try to hurt her, especially when she was a kid. Never. It's like she needs to feel oppressed and downtrodden, that one of her parents at all times is in the good guy role, or the bad guy role. I always tried to be supportive, and when her dad was in the "villain" role, I tried to soften her stance towards him because I actually felt a little bad for him. I was harsh when I posted, but I was just so angry that she was attempting to rip the family apart yet again, over a comment. Not a post I'd made or shared, an offhand comment. It was all so silly.

I wish I'd never made the comment, but I know she would have found something else to be upset about regardless. I always felt like I had to walk on eggshells around her, she would get upset so easily. She would try to get a rise out of me, even when things were good and everyone was having a nice time together, and I'd just change the subject. I knew deep down we'd end up here again, though. She's always been very volatile even as a kid, always ready to start yelling and making a scene no matter if we were in public or not. I tried everything when she was under my roof, took her to counseling, offered to go together, I was always asking her to go do fun activities or just watch a movie together. Nothing worked. She was always standoffish or even straight up mad. All the time. I told her I was there for her no matter what, and meant it. I let her know that as a kid and a teen, she was going to make mistakes but that she could always count on me to be there when she needed help. When she was making bad choices as a 16 year old, she got normal punishments (loss of privileges etc), not beatings or being screamed at with insults, which she was at one time telling people, who knows if she still is.

I thank God every day that this seems to just be a LARP, she hasn't been on hormones, hasn't mutilated herself, hasn't poisoned herself with T or anything. I'm so thankful for that. But it's like she needs a label, otherwise she doesn't know who she is. It's strange. She started off as being bi, which is whatever, then after breaking up with her high school boyfriend, she was asexual, now that she has had a serious relationship for years (with a man, great guy, too) she's non-binary. She does seem to be doing okay, got a new job, is living with her boyfriend and they seem to be okay too, so that's good. I just wish we could at least be cordial, but I guess that's wishing for too much. I just don't know how we got here.
 
If you do love someone, you can't just turn that off. You can, however, mourn who they used to be and work on the arduous task of moving on. Maybe someday she'll get a clue and stop embracing the role of Aggrieved Victim, but you gotta find other parts of your life to occupy yourself with, and other means of happiness. Treasure the time you had where she wasn't a lunatic arsehole, but otherwise, find new people and experiences to enjoy and love.

Obviously easier said than done, but you can't keep rubbing a wound on your soul raw.
 
If you do love someone, you can't just turn that off. You can, however, mourn who they used to be and work on the arduous task of moving on. Maybe someday she'll get a clue and stop embracing the role of Aggrieved Victim, but you gotta find other parts of your life to occupy yourself with, and other means of happiness. Treasure the time you had where she wasn't a lunatic arsehole, but otherwise, find new people and experiences to enjoy and love.

Obviously easier said than done, but you can't keep rubbing a wound on your soul raw.
I think part of this is the realization that maybe you were deluded in your view of them a bit as well. Perhaps call it love but it made me look back and recognize some of the warning signs there that already had existed. My brother had gotten in trouble for calling kids "faggots" and bullying them until he got suspended, showed me how he would steal and how to do it, would take advantage of others kindness/generosity, abandoned his adopted dog to the shelter when it inconvenienced him, generally being very thoughtless of others. Additionally, he was clearly ideologically blinded and didn't have good arguments or reasons to believe what he did (even though I agreed as well) aside from "it's popular/the right thing/the approved thing" before. Very eye opening experience but the tells of his character were there.
 
@Lady Round Buns it sounds like your daughter is almost textbook bpd. I wish I knew some good advice but it seems pretty treatment resistant and sadly most online info claims it's caused by abuse (ignoring a propensity to lie about abuse, as you've experienced, which skews data and makes the research questionable).

I sometimes wander if it can be genetic. There's a bpd lolcow, Bex Gerber, who was adopted as a baby. Her adopted parents seem relatively normal but when bio mom was tracked down the similarities were freaky. What I'm saying is that, despite what you might read online, it might not be anything you yourself has done.

I'm happy to hear that she's not fucked her body up and that her life is somewhat stable. Maybe she'll "split" and you'll be the good guy again one day and you can reconsile.

I'm a mom to a daughter and this stuff is a real fear of mine. You truly have my sympathy. It must be heartbreaking. I hope you have a good Christmas regardless.
 
I'm a mom to a daughter and this stuff is a real fear of mine.

Same boat, minus the mom part. Mine has a propensity to be nice and understanding to most, which always makes me leary to her being manipulated or taken advantage of at some point by this cult.

At times I wish I had a boy, but then you're damn near dealing with the same issues where instead of dressing like your stereotypical wigger fuck boy, it's cat ears and Hot Topic goth clothing.
 
@Battery Low

Thank you, you're very kind, I hope so too. Other than her whole full sibling, she doesn't talk to any of us, not even her half siblings, the elder of whom she's always said is "problematic". 🙄

I've wondered if she's afflicted with a personality disorder, her father is very similar in the way he treats people. She took our divorce very hard, he'd left when she was around 7, and didn't come around for almost 2 months after, doing God knows what. He wasn't terribly nice to either of our children, the type to needle and tease and then tell them he's just joking, they're too sensitive when they'd get rightly upset. He's mellowed out a little now that he and they are older, but his wife, their stepmother, was allowed to treat them like second class compared to her children, and he never intervened.

I do blame myself a lot. I'm definitely not perfect and have never claimed to be. I've never abused her, called her names, or slapped her around, however. I've messed up and made mistakes like all parents have, though I've always tried to acknowledge it, "Hey, I could have handled that better, I am so sorry", and have tried to be better since then. I can only imagine the things she tells people and I'm mortified at the thought. She was just so upsetting when she lived with us, her younger siblings would be so anxious and almost afraid of setting her off when they just wanted to spend time with her. I know she sounds like a nightmare, but when things were good, they were really good. I just really miss her.

Anyway, thank you for the kind words and I hope you have a nice Christmas too.
 
Little backstory: my mom's best friend is a terrible person and has 3 terrible boys. She wanted girls and never got them, so she made it the boys' problem. They grew up mostly neglected and in intense poverty because their mom sucks as a parent and their dads were deadbeat perverts.

Anyway a few days ago I got a friend request on Facebook from a photoless account with the feminine version of one of those boy's names. If his name was "John Doe," the account was "Joanne Doe," basically.

His mom IS a liberal feminist type, but I guess I never considered she'd let her son say "actually I'm a woman," I thought she had a more solid grasp on material reality than that. I mean, John is so retarded he can't even get a first job. He doesn't wash his hair and somehow forgets he's wearing headphones. How in the hell can he be in the right mind to chop his dick off?

God I just wish that family would disappear.
 
Your brother is most likely now grooming others and doing god knows how much degenerate shit. The person you loved is gone.
Absolutely. I know he doesn't want to admit it, but putting his brother down is the kindest thing he could do for him.

As for the mother, the best you can hope for right now is that your daughter kills herself and you get to bury this embarrassment to you and your legacy forever.
 
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I've encountered a couple troonouts in my life. I watch them with masked horror for the drama. I know I can't save them. By the time someone's trooned out around me they either know my stance or some pRedditor speedran them through it. After enough observation I think the orbiters are just as bad as the troons. In social situations, whenever their tranny starts coming down from the gross coomer bullshit they're always riding, there's always some chaser or fellow troon or "supportive" spouse right there, letting their precious wendigo know he's hot stuff, those tiddies are coming in perky, that wig is smokin', get that flagging boner back in the air.

It's a dynamic that'll make some shrink millions when it's no longer career suicide to notice how gross and dysfunctional this is.
 
My longtime friend lost a cousin to transgenderism; I knew her growing up with him. She was always a little odd and really into hippy culture but was harmless. One day she announces she's got a boyfriend named 'Kale' who's also a super hippie type of guy. He always smelled because he didn't believe in using deodorant because of "toxins," and the family kind of low-key hated him for it.

Fast forward two years into the relationship; they suddenly announce they're a "queer" couple. We always knew they were both bisexual, and none of us cared. It was just another special label to add on; she had stopped working, and he never worked as he'd feel lonely without her... Just a few months ago, she announced she's trans, along with her boyfriend, and she plans to get top surgery, and he'll get breast implants.

I saw it coming from a mile away; a few months into them dating, she suddenly stopped dressing in any feminine clothing and went from a mostly liberal hippy who was moderately happy into a depressed girl who'd stop spending time with their family and extended family. She only spent time with her boyfriend; they'd go out and hang out with other genderqueers as well.

They'd usually throw big family/friend BBQs, and she'd always be there; they literally live across the street... Now I never see her; I'll see her from time to time if I'm visiting my friend and she's out the front, but she's completely iced me out for no reason, probably because I made a crack at her boyfriend smelling like shit because he uses some homeopathic crap that barely works.

It still hurt to know she threw 14 years away because of a remark about her boyfriend, who has isolated her from their core family; even her mother, who she lives with, has slowly distanced herself from the family after the tranny news. I wasn't there when it broke, but the family didn't exactly take it with open arms.

She's getting the zipper tits surgery next week, my friend isn't really taking it well. The family isn't really talking about it, and he's worried about saying the wrong things, so can only talk to me about it.
I'm worried he's gonna go all in on supporting her as to not lose his cousin completely, he didn't really think much of it when I first asked if she was planning to become trans after I noticed the changes, kind of just laughed it off.
 
If you do love someone, you can't just turn that off. You can, however, mourn who they used to be and work on the arduous task of moving on. Maybe someday she'll get a clue and stop embracing the role of Aggrieved Victim, but you gotta find other parts of your life to occupy yourself with, and other means of happiness. Treasure the time you had where she wasn't a lunatic arsehole, but otherwise, find new people and experiences to enjoy and love.

Obviously easier said than done, but you can't keep rubbing a wound on your soul raw.
god this really is good advice but man is it hard to follow. ive mentioned my friend here a few times and how hard it is to watch her doing all of this dangerous stuff to herself (seriously why the fuck was she able to get her hands on hormones in only a few weeks despite not having any prior want for it or signs that she would ever feel like she needed it), the reality that shes falling farther and farther away from me sinks in more every day and thats sort of forcing me to move on. now and then shell do that something that takes me right back to day one when i thought wed be happy forever and the pain that comes with reminding myself that with todays political climate im the one who would been seen as crazy between the two of us now is awful
 
Found an article on Twitter about grieving when your kid troons out here. Archive.

We are endlessly told to be sympathetic to trans people; to respect their pronouns and to accept them in their new ‘authentic selves’. The ‘trans’ person has been elevated to near Godlike status, whose feelings and rights are paramount above every other person’s.

But, whilst society’s focus is exclusively on the ‘rights’ of the ‘trans’ person, the feelings of those in their family and others are being completely ignored.

Let us move away from the feelings of the person with Harmful Transgender Ideations (HTIs). (I reject the term Gender Dysphoria and will never use it as a clinical description). See why here:
https://x.com/Psychgirl211/status/1808825717204922755
). Let us instead consider the feelings of their families. Especially parents. How do the parents of a ‘trans-identified’ children or person cope with the process?

So, in this piece, I attempt addressing these issues by raising questions and making observations of the emotional impact of transgenderism on parents, focussing specifically on grief and various related issues.

Parents and families are grieving. They are grieving for the loss of the person they once knew. Grieving for the devastation that person’s actions has wrought on familial relationships. Grieving because the destruction caused by ‘pseudo-transition’ (the only thing that is being changed is secondary sex characteristics, not sex), is almost without exception, needless and fruitless.

What is the emotional impact on parents of a child transitioning? Obviously the ‘trans’ child is not dead, but they are no longer the person the parent created and raised.
Putting things more concretely:
  • What happens when, say, a daughter has had a double mastectomy, is growing facial hair, has a deepened voice, has scooped out her reproductive organs, has a monstrous ‘neo phallus’ and now ‘identifies’ as a man?
  • What happens when, say, a son has started Oestrogen and has had an orchidectomy; has removed his penis and is left with a cankerous wound, which is always trying to heal itself, but which we are all supposed to believe has become a ‘fully functional’ neo-vagina?
  • What happens when a living child cuts a parent completely out of their life? When they aggressively reject their parents? When they somehow blame, the loving parent, who has done no wrong, for their HTIs?
Is this child still alive, to the parent, or is the ‘trans’ child analogous to Schroedinger’s Cat, both dead and alive at the same time?

And if so, what sense can parents make of this? How do they feel?

We thus need a new way to conceptualise the grief that is attendant to a child’s transitioning, because simply, the world has never experienced anything such as the wholesale effects of gender ideology on family functioning and interpersonal relationships, or on society in general. Our understanding of grief is limited to what we have always known. Even the physical death of a child through illness, accident or malfeasance cannot adequately describe the grief felt by parents who have lost a child to the wildly misnamed ‘Gender Affirming Care’ (GAC).

There are a number of theoretical models by which the process of grieving can be understood and there are understandably, different types of grief. The following is a simplified condensation of these models and types appropriate to ‘transitioning’ and GAC.
  • Normative Grief: Where a person’s loss is acknowledged by society and the bereaved’s grief reactions are accepted and ‘acceptable’. For example, the loss of a parent, grandparent, sibling, friend, or even a pet. This is the ‘baseline’ for describing grief.
  • Disenfranchised Grief: When a person’s loss is not supported or acknowledged by others and the griever’s ability to grieve is not recognised. For example perinatal loss; dementia, the loss of one’s home, such as in a fire or natural disaster, or by becoming a refugee, etc.
  • Anticipatory Grief: Where the person is grieving before the grief-causing event occurs, in anticipation of the event. For example because of a terminal illness or caring for someone with a degenerative disease.
  • Complicated Grief: Where a person gets ‘stuck’ in a grief reaction and cannot move on from the feelings of pain and loss. They are often unable to work, to effectively carry out the activities of daily living and they lose emotional connection with remaining loved ones.
  • Ambiguous Grief: When there is no emotional ‘closure’. The loved one is physically absent but remains psychologically close. The loss may for example, be due to incarceration, military deployment, missing persons, etc.
I will also offer another type of grief, which I am calling Existential Grief .

Parents of the trans-identified child are in a uniquely awful position, because, as I argue in this piece, they are experiencing multiple griefs, a mixture of Disenfranchised, Anticipatory, Complicated and Ambiguous Grief. They wait, with dread for the next phase in their child’s transition. The process of their child’s transition may have frozen them into a state of emotional and adaptive dysfunction. They may have no contact with their child in years, and may only know of their child’s doings through other family members or via social media.

But, unlike with any other grieving group, despite the onslaught of pain resulting from their children’s behaviour, parents of ‘trans-identified’ children are not being permitted to grieve.
Grieving as a process

A familiar way of understanding of, and responses to, grief was proposed by Elisabeth Kubler-Ross, a Swiss Psychologist, who developed a five-stage ‘Cycle of Grief’, to explain the psychological processes that occur when a loved one dies or is dying. These five-stages are: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and, Acceptance.

These stages are not necessarily linear. We can move backwards and forwards along this path as circumstances change. We can, for example, go from depression back to anger, from acceptance back to bargaining. But eventually for most of us, we resolve the loss of a loved one and move forward with life. Death, after all, is a part of living.

Our understanding of grief needs to include grief arising from transgenderism

But the “familiar” way of understanding of, and response to, grief is inadequate when considering the feelings felt by the parents or loved ones of a trans-identified child. This is because, the loss is nearly always unavoidable, eg old age, disease, accident, or even an ‘Act of God’. And, even when avoidable, (such as with suicide or homicide), we have a psychological framework within which to place the death/loss/absence of the loved one. However painful or random the loss is, we have developed the psychological tools to understand it.

So, no matter how awful the death is, it has happened. It has an ending and the psychological process of recovery as difficult as it is, can be embarked upon.

Even in cases which may result in ambiguous grief (such as where a person goes missing, or in suicide), the production of a death certificate can mark the point at which the grieving can begin. And again, with complicated grief, there is discrete event which has occurred and with appropriate help, the person can be assisted to become ‘unstuck’ from their grief and to move on with their lives.

I however posit that transitioning should be recognised as a metaphorical, and prolonged ‘death’, insofar as the outcomes of GAC are always irreversible and deleterious. And, that the parents and families of ‘trans-identified’ person are experiencing a type, (or types), of grief, which society has not yet learned to accommodate.

Transition as prolonged 'death'

In all of these models of grief heretofore outlined, the child’s ‘transition’ is comparable to a death, because the child, as was, no longer exists. They are lost to the parent through their ‘transition’. And this ‘transition’ is not a discrete happening. It is often a multi-step, prolonged process, often beginning with pronoun and name changes. But these changes, although regarded as harmless and benign (and that favourite word of genderists, ‘reversible’) almost 100% of the time, presage the cult-like necessity of chemical and medical interventions in search of the unreachable goal of ‘becoming’ the opposite sex.

The parent is thus caught in a continuous spiral of denial and depression that is a bizarre mirror image of their child’s emotional and medical journey. Each party is locked onto a mutual and reflective pathway of despair. The child, is on a futile journey towards a biological impossibility, which, by its very nature, can only end in failure. And, at every new step taken by the child, at each new rejection of their natal sex, parental grief is mirrored, reactivated and intensified.

Here, I examine how the loss felt by the parents of ‘trans-identified’ children can be applied to and understood within the extant models of grief.

Models of Grief

Disenfranchised Grief
Parents of the ‘trans-identified child’ experience what psychologist, Emeritus Professor Kenneth Doka describes as disenfranchised grief. This occurs where society has denied the bereaved’s, ‘need, right, role, or capacity to grieve’. The normal supportive responses of grief are not afforded the parents of the trans-identified child.

There are three types of Disenfranchised Grief:
1. Where the relationship between the griever and the deceased is not recognised.
2. Where the death or the loss is not recognised.
3. Where the griever’s ability to grieve is not recognised.

Parents mourning the loss of a ‘trans-identified’ child are experiencing types 2 and 3. However, in reality, they are experiencing a profound emotional loss not even conceptualised, much less acknowledged and responded to with sympathy.

They are instead, meant to welcome their child’s purported discovery of their ‘true’ and ‘authentic’ self. They are only permitted to celebrate and share in their child’s newfound ‘Trans Joy’.

If they dare to show even the smallest amount of grief, or express the merest smidgeon of opposition, they face near-universal vilification and opprobrium. They are called ‘transphobic’, or they are blamed for not being sufficiently ‘supportive’. They are called bigots by people whom they have known for decades. They may even face legal sanction and prison if they do not help a minor child in this process of slow self-destruction. There is no support for these parents. There is no outlet for their prolonged and profound feelings of grief.

Anticipatory Grief
Anticipatory grief refers to feelings of grief or loss that may be felt before the grief-causing event actually happens.

Parents of children who have embarked on the process of ‘transition’ feel anticipatory grief. Again, this is a stepwise, and ever-escalating process where the parent’s losses constantly mount up and compound each other. Where, the parent may over a period of years, spend every waking moment asking themselves, “what is going to happen next”?

The anticipatory grief often starts with, as mentioned previously, the loss of the child’s birth name (and thereby pronouns). Parents generally do not pick names for our children at random, as if choosing the week’s Lottery numbers. The name given to a child carries significance to the parent. It is not a ‘deadname’. It may commemorate a loved one; it describes the parents’ hopes and wishes for the child’s future, and in some cultures, it venerates the past. It captures the personality and spirit of the newborn.

So, whilst having to remember a new name, the parent has to also juggle with the mental gymnastics of a changed, or even neo pronoun. They may have to struggle with the idiotic ‘they’, the use of which is ridiculously awkward, and which defies the most basic rules of English grammar.

This change in name/pronoun is often accompanied by ‘social transition’, a process whose wider social effects are horrendously ill-recognised. The parent questions whether their child be satisfied with these (relatively), benign and reversible steps. Or will they progress to irreversible hormone ‘treatments and surgical interventions?

And, once the surgeries begin, next comes the question that is almost unbelievable to comprehend that, should, in a civilised society, where ethics govern medical behaviour, be inconceivable, viz: “which body part will be the next to go, or needlessly altered?”.

And, to add even more horror, the parent may see their child’s physical, emotional and cognitive disintegration play out on social media. They may see their child posting videos of their ‘transition’ and encouraging other youngsters to follow them. Whenever I see such videos, my immediate thought is of the parents and the unbearable, unimaginable pain they must be feeling when (or if), they can steel themselves to watch.

Complicated Grief
This occurs when the grieving response becomes maladaptive and where the person is experiencing unproductive, unhelpful, or dangerous thoughts and behaviours in response to the death or loss of a loved one. Complicated grief is like being in an ongoing, heightened state of mourning that keeps the person from healing. There is intense sorrow, pain and rumination over the loss of the loved one and an intense focus on the person who has died.

An instantly recognisable literary example of this is Miss Havisham, in Charles Dickens’ novel Great Expectations, who, after being jilted at the altar insists on wearing her wedding dress for the rest of her life, living in a ruined mansion. Miss Havisham has become ‘stuck’ in her grief. Time has stopped and her behaviours have, as a result, become abnormal.

The parents of the trans-identified child do display and experience some of the feelings and behaviours associated with complicated grief. The heightened emotional arousal, the intense pain and sorrow, the rumination, the intense focus on the transitioning child.

However, none of these features are maladaptive. The phenomenon of the ‘trans’ identifying child (whether minor or adult), is so abnormal that, in my view, the parent is responding in an entirely normative way to an unprecedented and unbearable situation.

Rather, it is society’s response to the parent of the loss-stricken trans-identified child that is entirely maladaptive. More often than not, the child’s ‘transition’ is the result of grooming, either by teachers or by health professionals, or by online predators who encourage the belief that the child is experiencing ‘Gender Dysphoria’ (which in reality is HTI). In such cases, when everyone and everything is against them, how can parents not experience a complex reaction to what they are encountering?

Ambiguous Grief
Here, the child may have absented themselves from their parents’ lives, but, in the age of social media, the parent can often track their child’s ‘transition’ (in reality a gradual, blow by blow, step by step process of self-destruction), on TikTok, or on other social media platforms. I have also spoken to parents whose only ‘contact’ with their child is now through their insurance providers, where they are kept informed of their child’s next procedure. Or, they hear about their child’s activities and life only through friends and relatives.

This type of grief is particularly salient and cruel for parents, because they are invariably blamed and verbally attacked, (often viciously), by the children themselves, for not wholeheartedly supporting their ‘transition’.

There is no possible room for emotional ‘closure’, because the parent is often seen, (by the child, by agencies and by the law) as source of danger, threat and harm to the ‘trans identifying’ child. The, until now, universally accepted guiding principle that parents: (a) have their child’s best interests at heart; and, (b) act in a way to optimise their children’s wellbeing, have been jettisoned. Parents are now seen as being inimical and dangerous to their ‘trans-identifying’ children.

Existential Grief:
We human beings are animals, albeit with big brains, that have allowed us to develop language and culture and science.

In reality, our primary function on this Earth is to reproduce and to keep the species alive. We are driven by this innate, profound and for most of us, unconquerable biological drive. This is why, even with all the cost, difficulty and self-sacrifice, most of us still have children.

But many ‘transitioners’ are children, (or young adults), for whom the biological imperative to reproduce has not yet become activated. Or, they are frequently older men such as ‘India’ Willoughby, or ‘Rachel’ Levine, who have already had their children.

What 15-year-old sees themselves as a parent? Or, indeed, with our extended period of ‘adolescence’ in the West, what 20, or even 30-year-old is ready to become a parent? So, these naive ‘trans-identified youngsters’ blithely and uncomprehendingly allow themselves to undergo a process that will render them infertile.

But parents see. Parents know. Parents witness the loss of their child’s, and thereby their own, future genetic lineage. But the parent is not allowed to grieve for their ‘lost’ grandchildren. They must not mourn or even acknowledge the loss of a future child who will now never exist.

We accept and respond sympathetically to the grief that accompanies infertility. But this is different. This ‘infertility’ is not natural. It is deliberate, calculated and engineered by doctors. It causes a powerful, existential grief in parents that has no parallel or precedent.

The family
And, whilst having to cope with the multiple griefs described here, the parent may also be battling family members who support the child’s ‘transition’. This can be with the other parent, their own parents, siblings and other relatives. The presence of a ‘transitioning’ child is like a Black Mirror. The child’s own inner confusion and emotional dysregulation is projected back to the family. Marriages are torn apart. Spouses, siblings, grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins take sides, often amidst intense acrimony.

And, in this milieu, the parent is often trying their hardest to protect younger, (or sometimes older) brothers and sisters from also being caught up in the web of their sibling’s trans identification.
Family dysfunction

It would be remis to not acknowledge that sometimes a child’s trans-identification (nevertheless still misguided), is the result of dysfunction within the family. And, in girls, sadly, this is often unreported Childhood Sexual Abuse (CSA). I will address the issue of CSA as a driver to ‘trans’ identification in a later piece.

But in most cases, there is no family dysfunction. I have read countless accounts and spoken to many parents of previously entirely normal young girls or boys (but mostly girls) who, overnight, announce their new ‘trans’ identity to their bewildered and disbelieving parents. These children will have shown no hint of so-called ‘Gender Dysphoria’ for their entire lives. Indeed, the girls are often very feminine and the boys may display what is typically seen as ‘effeminate’ behaviour or sensitive ‘female’ traits. (It is probably likely that many of these children are gay and that their trans identification is a way to cope with the feelings of same-sex attraction that hit around puberty).

In many families, the child’s transition is completely unexpected. There is no warning, no precursor and no familial dysfunction. From the ‘transitioning’ person’s perspective, this is known as Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD). But, from the parents’ perspective, ROGD ought to be described as ‘Thunderclap Transition’, because it hits parents out of the blue and with absolutely no warning.

The wider picture
We often describe people who believe in gender ideology as being part of a cult. But it is worse than this. Cults, after all, are not normalised or given social acceptance. The State will not penalise parents for protecting children from a cult. But children who have fallen prey to gender ideology are caught in the throes of a phenomenon that is part cult, part neo-religion, part state-supported youth movement. Their thinking is distorted, their emotions are dysfunctional, their development is arrested and their brains have been damaged by powerful synthetic chemicals. They are quite frankly not thinking straight.
So, why should parents blithely be accepted to accommodate an ever-escalating pattern of rejection and hostility from children under the influence of a mind-altering neo-religion? At what point does parental tolerance reasonably end? Why should parents be expected to accept their ‘transitioning’ child, when affirmation’ causes not only the child’s destruction, but often the complete rejection of their familial ties?

Conclusion 1 – Applying existing models of grief
Models of Disenfranchised, Ambiguous and Anticipatory Grief can adequately describe what is felt by the parents of a ‘trans-identified’ child. But these models are not being used to help parents cope with the process of transition. Indeed, in researching this piece, I found no mention, or even awareness, that ‘transitioning’, (either social, chemical or surgical), is a process that evokes grief in those connected to the ‘transitioning’ person, particularly parents.

Indeed, other people’s feelings are not mentioned at all. Parents in particular, when mentioned, are only conceptualised as vectors by which the person’s ‘transition’ can either be supported or thwarted. The entire focus is wrongly on the supposedly negative (pre ‘transition’), and supposedly positive (post ‘transition’), emotions of the ‘trans-identifying’ person.

But the thinking and literature around this subject must now be updated to include the new phenomenon of ‘transition’ and the impact this has on a ‘transitioning’ person’s loved ones.

Unfortunately though, this a discussion that cannot even begin whilst society is still in the grip of the collective madness of gender ideology.

Conclusion 2 – The future
The irony of the move to ‘transition’ children and youngsters via the dissimulation of ‘GAC’, is that these children who have ‘transitioned’ will eventually realise their ‘embodiment journey’ has been a failure. They can never reach their desired goal, because, simply, mammals cannot change sex. And, as we can see from the steadily increasing numbers of detransitioners, the only result the process of transition can only ever really achieve is a broken body and/or damaged mind. They will never reach their final destination.

When this truth finally dawns on the hundreds of thousands of ‘transitioned’ children who will be there to pick up the pieces? Who will take these children back with open arms? Who will be there to provide the physical care and financial and emotional support probably required for the rest of their (likely foreshortened), lives?

Not the doctors.
Not the gender clinics.
Not their ‘Rainbow Families’.
No. It will inevitably be Mum and Dad.
And their grief will still remain.
 
tl;dr

There's one thing the yids had right:

If your kid does this shit, and it really is hopeless and too late- the teets are yeeted, the cock is chopped, it's all said and done and the negotiations are closed and there is no going back...

Rip your shirt at the collar and say "blessed is God the true judge."

Go into your house and crouch on a low chair in the dark for 7 days. Have people bring you boiled eggs and bagels. Don't wash, don't laugh, don't listen to music, and don't go out. Cry and moan and wail and throw up as needed.

Then, at the end of 7 days, take a walk around the neighborhood.

Mourn with lesser intensity for 30 more days. And lesser still for a year. Then light a candle. And you're done.

The tranny is gone and it's over.
 
Definitely. It is no coincidence trans people tend to be atheist and often Satanist, often embracing the baphomets image and upside down pentacle. They want an upside down world, where men are women and women can be men. They view themselves as their own God, able to create and bend at will even to create a new body exactly in opposite to God's image. They already believe themselves to be a God, which further pushes the common troon narcissism. Others (sheep) around follow, and put the troon on a pedestal. I find it no coincidence the ones who have reached out to me and who are kindest to me about my brother majority of the time have God in their life and are true followers of Christ.

Troons and troon supporters say the Satanism is ironic and just for fun/to reject ""religious trauma"" but don't believe them. Many practice magic, up to and including blood magic. Lucifer is the purveyor of lies, after all.
This is 100% true. Without going into specifics since I know this person is a vindictive cunt that would attempt to fuck with me and my friends if they found out I was talking about them here, a tranny supporter I know is very much into the "sin is great, hedonism rules, fuck God" mindset. They fit your description perfectly, outside of trooning out themselves.

Even if you don't believe in literal demonic possession, it remains a good shorthand for what happens to these sorts of people. They give in to their desires, think only of themselves, and lash out at anyone who attempts to limit their behavior. People need to realize that despite postmodernism's best efforts to frame it away, evil never went anywhere.
 
This is 100% true. Without going into specifics since I know this person is a vindictive cunt that would attempt to fuck with me and my friends if they found out I was talking about them here, a tranny supporter I know is very much into the "sin is great, hedonism rules, fuck God" mindset. They fit your description perfectly, outside of trooning out themselves.

Even if you don't believe in literal demonic possession, it remains a good shorthand for what happens to these sorts of people. They give in to their desires, think only of themselves, and lash out at anyone who attempts to limit their behavior. People need to realize that despite postmodernism's best efforts to frame it away, evil never went anywhere.
Why are they hanging around you? They’re clearly cool and you’re clearly a turbo-virgin nerd?
 
so, uh, one of my old university friends has taken my name as their "new" name. my name is insanely unique - according to one website:
  • Based on the analysis of 100 years worth of data from the Social Security Administration's (SSA) Baby Names database, the estimated population of people named [name] is 0.
we were all in a big WhatsApp group chat, but it slowly died off, as most do. it picks up again for the annual holiday greetings, and suddenly, this man announces he's going by "she/her" now and would love for all of us to call "her" by "her new name".

we all obviously have him saved as his birth name, so someone else asks him what it is and he, bold as brass, says "(name), just like (my name, last name). pronounced the same too"

he then goes on to say that I'm not [origin of name] either, so it's fair game. he apparently picked it because it "sounded pretty", and gave him "a warm feeling". upon further googling, there a lot of fucking trannies with my name, which is just delightful.
 
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