I'm still butthurt that Striker was cool and treated seriously for all of one episode but as soon as he wasn't voiced by Norman Reedus anymore, that somehow meant that he wasn't supposed to be taken seriously.
Me, I'm people who wanted Striker back who got my wish but in a twisted monkey paw sort of way. He still has an aesthetically striking (hah) design compared to the rest of the imps and he did get to finally make the "why's it always sex with you freaks" comment... after they gave him a Chaz-style statue with a massive boner.
What are we talking about? Oh yeah, I'm mad that Striker keeps getting humiliated because if he were competent then the show would be over, we'd all be spared having to deal with Stolas and it would be an interesting way to keep up with the idea that someone as "insignificant" as an imp could be in such a position of intimidation and danger.
She found out she's having a baby after almost being executed by Satan, after a trial which ended up putting a Goetia in her workplace and after picking a fight with another Goetia.
She'd be fine if it was just Blitzo she'd be afraid of but now Stolas' incestious brother in law might be targeting IMP to prevent Stolas from getting his status back.
That's kind of the thing though, we never really get a sense of how much these things actually get to her because we spend so little time with her as a character. She's never really given an opportunity to process things like the other characters, so she seems to just be as hardened as the background imps, who are willing to throw their lives away for slight insult, their version of a field day sports, or just because. They might not yearn for death, but they really come off as just comfortable with being fodder.
We also saw imps willing to try and murder Stolas in Loo Loo land even though it was suicide. Probably because they are driven by wrath and greed, and don't stop to think about consequences.
They have kids probably expecting half of them to get shanked in grade school squabbling over who gets the red crayon. You live in Hell it just comes with the territory.
It might have been more interesting, if we could get away from the gay homewrecker storyline for a spell, to have focused a b-plot on Moxxie and Millie thinking of at least not trying to avoid having a child, then after all the hardships that happened recently, the pregnancy comes at a difficult time and Millie has second thoughts. I mean that still is a soap opera like way to take what was originally meant to be silly murder stories with imps, but at least we would be spreading out the character drama a bit.
After Striker was introduced, everyone thought he'd be the antagonist until season 2 came around and made him a bumbling idiot. Season 2 as a whole made EVERYONE bumbling idiots, the people who wanted Striker back got their wish but in twisted monkey paw sort of way.
Modern writers can't write good antagonists because they are blind to evil, even their own. What allows a writer to create a good villain is their ability to look into their own soul and see the wickedness that resides there, and then manifest it.
Tolkien's Saruman and Sauron are compelling because they are a manifestation of how good things like industrious, creativity and order can be made into evil, and how even a righteous person can become twisted and have a perfectly justified and logical explanation for their behavior.
Another good example of this is mister freeze from the Batman cartoon.
Modern writers can't write good antagonists because they are blind to evil, even their own. What allows a writer to create a good villain is their ability to look into their own soul and see the wickedness that resides there, and then manifest it.
You know, this probably explains all the villains who magically turn out to not be villains because there's some bigger evil they're trying to stop by killing everyone so that evil can't kill everyone in a worse way.
I like how Vasago appeared for one episode and now hes just gonzo. Like, for a guy who seems to be friend...fan...lover...whatever hes supposed to be. He didnt even bother to check how Stolas was doing or offer even some aid, hell wouldnt it be better if he aided them if the fight since hes apparently fire based or even offered temp money solution, least something.
Apparently not, considering the mom reappears in a later episode with her stroller being filled with bottles instead and reacting with distress over the stroller getting thrown over again.
That's right, folks: Loona killed a toddler because she was throwing a tauntrum. *laugh track*
That was back we were expecting helluva boss to be the wacky cartoon were death would be a cheap laugh, and hazbin to he the serious edgy drama where its not. (when we weren't asking if it'd ever be anything but a plot and a music video)
I have a feeling they got caught under mistletoe, and because it’s not Christmas, it’s Festivus 2, they need to beat the shit out of each other or something. What does everyone else think?
I agree with you generally, but I didn’t mind the obnoxious laughter in this particular episode. I have seen and heard shitty individuals go people-watching just to laugh hideously at every homeless person they see. That scene where Octavia had to drown their laughter out with her music felt real to me, but maybe I’ve met more cunts than you.
Furthermore, I feel it expanded upon how little her mother and uncle consider Octavia’s feelings. They casually do things which upset her, and often do not even realize they’re doing it. They’re so preoccupied with beating Stolas that they cause Octavia emotional distress (when it’s in their best interest to keep her happy). They’ve inadvertently created a situation where Octavia feels complicit in her father’s shoddy circumstances. Her being angry with Stolas is a win for Stella and Andy, and their laughter makes that clear. They’re driving Octavia back into her father’s arms.
I agree with most people here that it would be better if Stella and Andy were more conniving. I agree that they often act in shockingly transparent ways, but disagree that the laughing scene was such an instance. They were in the privacy of their own home, so it makes sense for them to go mask-off. It demonstrates how little they modulate their behaviour around Octavia.
If I’m remembering correctly… the pilot features a dead kid. There’s the family in the opening episode, but that was arguably self-defence given that they thought the imps were possums or something. They died after Moxxie tried calling the Earth authorities with the expectation that they’d be arrested, not fire-bombed. Then there was the teenaged boy who was working for Barb. And there was the old man, the people attending the symphony, and the DHORKs, but I cannot remember the specific number killed in either massacre. This site has a better count. Archive.
What, because her parents were straight and she was cringe, Emberlyn deserved a knife to the chest?
I think that would have been a smarter solution. It conforms with the world building, which has always implied imps and the hell-born are cool with homosexuality and gender nonsense. For the former, you have Ozzy and Fizz’s relationship being controversial because of its ethnic disparity, not the homosexuality. For the latter, you have Big Sal’ played by Mick Ignis. The show has gone to great lengths to suggest that’s just how imps and the hell-born are, but Stolas and Blitz can’t relate to a couple unless they’re literally in the same situation? It seems like a contradiction that people from their culture wouldn’t be able to make that sort of cognitive leap.
The other reason this would have been better is that it could connect to the issue of Blitz’s family. You have the shot where Blitz imagines himself, Stolas, and the girls. The scene could have been dramatically elevated if Blitz had blinked, and, for a moment, an image of his mother and sister appeared. I think that inclusion would have worked even if they still went with the “double dads” thing.
I think this is something of a trend with this show. Someone else in this thread pointed out how flat Stolas’s “you’re the one good thing” line to Octavia falls in the context of the prior episode. One moment Stolas is saying that Blitz is his life and raison d’être, and then suddenly it’s Octavia. It’s like the shows writers zoom in on a single dynamic, go full melodrama, and then when the focus shifts to another dyad, it feels like characters who are intended to be sincere are lying. That’s what this feels like. There was opportunity to set up Blitz’s speech about Barb, but the focus was zoomed in on his relationship with Stolas, and so all this other stuff was ignored.
Hearing Loona yap annoyed me. She just bullies some other girl who they didn’t invite because she’s a buzzkill. Viv really knows how to make us feel empathy for Luna. She’s such a likeable character - shitting all over people who are in the exact same predicament as she was in the Ke$ha episode. Oh, but Luna was wearing a goth outfit and the bullies in that episode were dressed like the Pink Ladies from Grease, so that makes it different and okay.
And I love how Luna didn’t learn her fucking lesson again. Wasn’t the whole point of the Ke$ha episode that Luna was using Blitz? That she was encouraging him to binge drink in an unhealthy way because it made it easier for her to fit in and be popular? That Bee was right to ask Luna to intervene? That Luna got mad because Bee was right? Yeah, well, fuck that, I guess. Luna calls Blitz in from talking to his boyfriend because again, Luna wants Blitz to binge drink to gain social cred for herself. God, I hate this fucking character the way most of the people here hate Stolas. I’m glad Luna got an STD while living at the pound.
Also Millie is preggers, and she’s making a huge deal out of it. She calls Sally May
Which is so funny because, as other people in the thread already mentioned, a tranny would be the last person you told. Mills would 100% call her mother, but Brandon isn’t friends with her actress, but he is buds with Mick, so, you know, Mick it is. Besides, Mick is Chief Trans Sensitivity Officer or whatever at Spindlehorse, so he probably made it a point that Millie share every female issue with her creepy brother.
It’s not like she would ask her mom, who, being a mother so many times, probably has good advice. Her mom may have miscarried, needed a D&C, had an abortion herself, etc. But, nah. That would require this show passing the Bechdel Test, and that means fewer opportunities for Viv to faghag.
It’s not like Millie’s dad would have been a better choice. It’s not like a woman would rather discuss feminine issues with her normal brothers over her creepy autogynephile one. Nope. Never. Women love making trannies, men who drool over their every move, privy to their vulnerable moments. And, most importantly of all, it’s not like she would tell her husband.
That was so retarded. She is a fucking wolf. The show was setting up her being good at magic. Why is she doing shit without the book? A better pay off would have been Luna tracing a magical seal and pulling off a spell from Stolas’s grimoire. It would conform to the world building - Stolas did say that the book existed because memorizing things is hard - and it fits with Luna being the “book person” in episodes like the one with DHORKS. You know, she’s the one opening the portal and complaining that she can’t read in the poor light. Did Viv watch her own show?
Andre (and Stolas, but less frequently) always give me second hand embarassment. It’s like pooners. I imagine a grown man reading what Viv / a fujoshi / a transman considers dialogue befitting a man and I just feel bad. I don’t know how their voice actors don’t die of embarassment. At least Andy getting punched was a decent joke because they set up him being a weird little fop.
I mean, they are a married couple in Hell. If they didn't want kids I'm sure they could have sterilized themselves to make it a non-issues without anyone stopping them
And they’re assassins! They should be used to cauterizing and debriding wounds! Picking out shrapnel and striking without hitting a major artery should be basic for them. And yet Millie and Moxxie can’t manage a good old fashioned falcon-punch?
[As in] they were open to it but due to their recent financial losses Millie is afraid Moxxie will be in a panic of how they will make ends meet.
This would be interesting because it would show that Blitz’s bullshit has consequences. “We were going to start a family but you fucked up our financial futures and made my husband work to the brink cooking all our books and now we have to postpone that.” Unfortunately, there was a line about insurance so I doubt that they’re going with that angle. It’s probably be something dumb like Millie thinking her fighting days are over because pregnancy even though that’s never been established as being a thing for imps.
She doesn't tell Moxxie, her partner who she is shown to be in a healthy and trusting relationship with. Who does she call ? Her mother, maybe ? Nope, her tranny sibling. Of course she does. EW, talk about tactless pandering. If I was pregnant and in distraught, the last person I would call on Earth for help would be a tranny who has no clue about pregnancy
Because inconsistent character development, melodramatic writing and a need to include the tranny in everything all the time. “Tactless pandering” really is a perfect description.
Me too, Islamic Jihad Rocket. I clearly can’t speak for everyone on this - but I thought the reprise of Stolas’s song was nice. The guitars were cool. I’m starting to think that there’s gonna be some sort of phoenix / fire imagery with Octavia, and that electric guitar theme will be her leitmotif. It fits with her earlier use of the acoustic guitar.
The lyric about how the castle used to be her father’s home struck me as profound. I think it probably is very destabilizing for a child to see a place that was their parents home become a no-go zone that they are now forbidden from. It’s humiliating.
She would probably get banned for trying to organize IRL trolling. Andy would probably leak things gradually to drum up interest, would get called a fag, and then get banned. I’m thinking of the person who leaked those Destiny nudes and broke the site.
I hate his character so much. With that said, I love how Viv accidentally TERFs out in the first episode he appears in. Sal gets to participate in the Hell Games (or whatever they were called), but Millie doesn’t. Yeah, Viv, that is how men in women’s sports usually works out.
Exactly. And how did she die? They’re not going to investigate? How do they know that one of the dads didn’t do it?
If they were smart, they’d have a scene where the mom was about to drive drunk or something, the dad demanded the girls stay out of the vehicle, and then the mom got into a wreck and died. It would explain how she died in a way that exonerates the husband, and emphasizes how he is the better parent.
Reminds me of this lolcow in the Prospering Grounds. She’s an ex-pooner who makes cartoon porn. She depicts women being abused, beaten, killed, subject to
FGM, etc. She never shows male characters getting that treatment, even when depicting literal genderswapped versions of those aforementioned female characters. They can’t handle men in pain for some reason.
In Viv’s defence, I think this was framed as character development. Millie even says something to the effect of, “we’ve done this sort of thing before”. My guess is that Millie’s “thing” in the next season will be her resistance to change. She doesn’t want the kid because it will change things in her relationship and at work; and she harkens back to episode 1 here as a set-up to that.
Karen humor is the only social commentary humor these writers can muster apparently, how edgy
Literally. I felt second-hand embarrassment when the mom flipped out over her daughters being exposed “to a degenerate lifestyle”, or something to that effect. Does Viv think it’s the Bush administration? What the fuck is going on? This is that awful scene at the doctor’s office all over again. We get it, Viv, you think men like Mick are better than bio-front-holes like yourself. Your flagellation isn’t interesting to normal audiences.
People in a stable relationship, especially if married, usually have the talk about children and know how to proceed unplanned or not.
The only way they could swing this would be if Millie wants to back out of their previous agreement. Like, “I know we said we would have kids when the opportunity arose but I changed my mind and I’m not ready”. I hope they have that much nuance, but my expectations with this show are always kept low.
Honestly? I feel like that wouldn’t be the issue. I think the more likely outcome would be that, with the standards being much higher, Stolas would no longer be considered a good parent. There would be less denial about his obliviousness to her pain. Scenes like the one where he crushes an imp with his hands and screams about Stella in front of Octavia would be seen for what they were - Stolas not caring about how his actions upset others. That’s why, while I generally agree with posts like these…
… I was actually okay with how annoying Stella and Andy were in this specific episode / the finale. I agree that Stella is generally written badly - in a banal and sexist fashion. However, I was okay with this specific incidence of jerk-waddery on her part because it paralleled what Stolas did in the scene I mentioned before. Consider the following: In scene where Stella and Stolas fight in the kitchen, when Stolas snarks that Stella can’t go however long without her things, and when Stella and Uncle Andy laugh at Stolas, they all show a complete disregard for how shit-talking Octavia’s blood-relatives makes her feel. I like it because it actually lends credence to Stella, in a backwards way, by equating her actions to those of Stolas. And, you know, he’s a morally-correct-by-virtue-of-being-a-protagonist character.
Exactly. He feels justified in saving Blitz’s life. That’s understandable, I think he should stick out his neck for these little people harmed by his rich boy mid-life crisis, but it still traumatized his kid. He should have said sorry out of empathy for her pain, if not for the act of saving Blitz et al.
I think, in that scene, Stolas was showing the sort of noblesse oblige one would expect of an aristocrat. I also think there is a distinction between deliberately abandoning someone and putting your life on the line to save another person’s life, which is what Stolas did. Octavia’s getting to an age where she has to see her dad as a whole person, and that’s difficult.
That recommendation was horrific and I’m sorry we both had to see it. Anyway, with respect to the episode:
The woman talking about degenerate lifestyles made me cringe. So did Andy, and Stolas’s awful “pussy” insult. I can’t imagine any older man I know IRL saying this nonsense. The worst was when Blitz said, “get your hands off my bottom, bitch”.
I wondered if maybe “my bottom, bitch” was a joke about pimps, which would be very gross given the Valentino context. I decided that was not the case because it was too subtle a joke. Subtle as in, “not used like a cudgel on your skull”.
Millie consulting the man who fetishes female body parts will never not be hilarious and disgusting to me.
Luna as an ultra-mega-sparkle-wolf was retarded.
Andy getting popped in the face by Stolas was funny. Too bad they had to ruin it with that lame “pussy” joke.
Modern writers can't write good antagonists because they are blind to evil, even their own. What allows a writer to create a good villain is their ability to look into their own soul and see the wickedness that resides there, and then manifest it.
Well, except for specific people/chuds that you hate.
I also suspect that writing a serious villain involves doing more than just writing a cheap power fantasy about your self-insert getting a cheap win over their enemy. Because a lot of writers these days are very bitter people, it seems.
Most of Octavia Haters aren't understanding of how a Divorce Affects not the whiny fag that should be executed, but the father and cheated on as well. I bet MOST of them had parents who were divorced for cheating but protected their fees fees,
Yeah, but hating a specific type of person is not really a compelling way of making a good villain. Especially when as you say, they only exist as a foil for their self Inserts to effortlessly dunk on. The best villains are the ones where you can understand why they are the way they are even if you want them to lose anyway. They also have to have a menace to them and actually be a threat to the hero.
But this requires a level of emotional and intellectual maturity by the writer. Most Hollywood writers these days seem to be stuck in early childhood and all their Villains are Wile E. Coyote and all their heroes are the Road Runner.
Didn't they try to do that with Hazbin a few years ago? I remember there were two comics, one involving Angel, and the other Alastor. I don't remember what happened with them but they haven't made any more of them again.
When Blitzø told Stolas about how him and Barbie Wire used to be so close, I think back on all their times together. Like, remember when they performed that act in the circus when they were kids...wait, no that was him and Fizzaroli. Well, how about when they played with the balloon animals they made...no, that was Fizzaroli again. Oh, I know, how about that time when they when to Mammon's concert as teenagers and...that was also Fizzaroli too.
Blitzø, are you sure you're not confusing Barbie Wire with Fizzaroli? He might as well be your twin sibling in this situation.
Didn't they try to do that with Hazbin a few years ago? I remember there were two comics, one involving Angel, and the other Alastor. I don't remember what happened with them but they haven't made any more of them again.
I do. One had Angel trying to make a deal with a shark mob and just killing them all, much to Valentino’s ire because Angel didn’t stay in the studio. He leaves him on a street corner as time out, and there he’s picked up by Charlie and Vaggie. So, it’s a backstory for how he’s recruited for the hotel. Not bad, really.
The Alastor one is a bit confusing. All I really remember is him going about his day, scaring a few people, silently beefing with Vox, having cannibal ladies swoon over him. It culminates in him getting some venison from the butcher, and then killing and eating him when he tries to hack up (and possibly rape?) a cute little sheep sinner. Interesting how the Alastor comic had little point in existing.
Pretty sure that’s a chick-imp. As in, a pooner-imp. Male imps have white stripes on their horns, whereas the females only have small ridges. Now we know that Stolas isn’t totally gay. That’s cool.
The thing is, this wouldn’t be a contradiction if the writing was just a little bit better. All we need is one scene of Stolas saying that Blitz saved his life. That would make that statement true without undermining his relationship to Octavia. He’s already canonically depressed, so why not make the suicide ideation explicit? Was this idea rejected because it could cast Stolas’s sacrifice (in the penultimate episode) in a negative light?
I don’t want to call it misogyny because having went to College (for Comp-Sci) the word has lost all meaning to me from over use. So did the term Rape, Racism, and the -phobics. I want to chalk it up to incompetent writing or screwed values than anything else.
I mean it pretty much is, especially with how Stella feels like the type of evil woman you'd see in those reddit stories made by dipshits to make themselves seem more sympathetic.
The Doctor of Autism is right - It’s misogyny. Or, perhaps, to be less incendiary, sexism. How else would you describe a show where a female protagonist is denied entry into a sporting contest while her brother is admitted, and then she is forbidden from naming the thing that made such a discrepancy possible? How else would you describe a woman who not only hired a woman-faced minstrel like Mick Ignis (shown here playing J.K. Rowling’s male incel character) but manufactured parts for him, and made him Chief Officer of Trans Inclusion (or whatever) at her company?
I don’t think Viv is Jack-the-Ripper-level misogynistic. I don’t think she’s even a tranny-level misogynist. However, she clearly has issues with women. This is not mere psychoanalyzing haphazardly based on her work. This is derived from an understanding of her real-world behaviour. She shills for trannies - see my reply to the good Doctor of Autism about the pooner-imp. She chooses to be around trannies in her day-to-day life. Hand-maidery is a sign of self-hatred in women sure as a black man tolerating Rachel Dolezal in his home would be. Simple as.
It’s actually retarded how bloated and unnecessary Andy’s addition was. Everything he did, Stella could have been assigned to do. The song in the penultimate episode, the ice powers - people were already suggesting she was a polar bird - all of it could have more succinctly been included in the story if they had been given to her.
The other problem is that Andy isn’t even good at his job. Okay, so the conceit of the dyad is that Andre is the chilly, aloof one; and Stella is the hothead. Fine… so why is Andy ripping his clothes off at the prospect of Stolas being punished? Why is Stella hiding in the castle while Andy takes the bait and attacks Stolas, “Goetia be damned”? These characters are written so backwards that I feel like I’m stuck in a particular review of a certain trilogy:
Mr. Plinkett said:
This is another case of classic role reversal as well. Anakin really should have been the one that threw himself out the window after the probe droid. Obi-Wan would have made like an annoyed face, and then went out after him in the Jetson’s car. Obi-Wan didn’t really seem to have too much interest in this assignment anyways, other than to provide basic protection. After getting his Gundark stuck in Anakin’s nest, he wanted to just phone this one in. Are you guys sure that wasn’t supposed to be Anakin jumpin out the window? Did they make a mistake when filming the scene, and then just left it?
This is also yet another example of how these characters are always written backwards in the Star Wars prequels. See Padme has no reason to not want to be in a relationship. She’s not the Queen anymore. She’s just a senator. She should be on the prowl for some action on the side. [John] Edwards style, baby. And Anakin should be trying to keep his composure and stick with what he had just been taught for the last 10 years. Maybe be somewhat resistant at first. I don’t know it just seems to make more sense that way[.]
Emphasis my own.
If Andy had to be there - he is a canonical Goetia after all - he should have been a sounding board for Stella. All his lines, songs, powers, and over-the-top moments (“His legions!”) should have been hers. He should have been a sounding board for her evil ideas. Or hanging out in the peanut gallery with, and as a foil to, Vassago during the trial. Stella wouldn’t likely confide in an imp such as Striker, and so Andy gives her someone to banter and have musical counterpoints with.
That seemed to be what they were doing before (ex. The scene where Andy makes her call off Striker), but they keep undercutting it by giving Andy these full retard moments (ex. The tearing asunder of his shirt during the trial). Is he supposed to be the one who reins Stella in, or is he a loudmouthed idiot, like her? Someone needs to tell Viv that if he’s both, that means he’s neither.
Returning to the issue of Andy’s elemental powers… giving Stella similar abilities doesn’t mean he loses his. The fact that Octavia has powers despite technically not having inherited Stolas’s title means that their magic is independent of their being officiated. I could see how Lucifer’s seal of approval could increase one’s power, but the Goetia could still have an inherent, if limited, magical capacity. This would also explain why Loona can use the book despite being some nobody hell-hound. Imps show little sexual dimorphism in terms of their immense strength, so why would upper-class hell-born be different in terms of magical ability? All of this is to say that they could both have ice powers without compromising the lore.
Stella having ice powers would also make Stolas’s tolerance of her physical abuse make sense. Why does he not rebuke her physical displays with displays of his own? Because even if he won, her magic could still do him and the castle exceptional damage. That, to me, makes more sense than “Stolas lets Stella hit him even though his magic is stronger than both her and Andy because he’s a sad bird-man who is sad”. It would make Octavia’s magic seem like an inevitability in hindsight, rather than yet another miraculous quirk she inherited from Stolas (and he alone). It would even add tension between Stella and Blitz - why was a decidedly unmagical imp given access to a grimoire she, an actual magician of noble blood, was denied access to?
Alternatively, you could give her fire powers. That would reinforce her fire-and-ice dynamic with her brother. It would make Ozzy’s line about a “smoking wife” comically literal in hindsight. If what I said earlier about Octavia’s song is true, then her use of fire powers could be explained away as a product of Stella’s parentage. If Octavia saved the day with her fire powers, which she inherited from her mum, then Stolas would have to concede that part of what makes Octavia so wonderful is her being both his daughter and Stella’s.
Justin Schaltz said:
Earlier, [Eleanor] had requested of [her husband, King] Henry, "may I watch you kiss [your mistress, Alais]?" in an odd moment of masochistic self-indulgence, as if wanting the most painful of emotions to negate a longtime absence of any emotion at all. Henry responds with a passionate embrace of Alais, murmuring to her in the chapel candle light, "forget the dragon in the doorway," while Harvey's camera moves in tight for a close-up of Eleanor's stricken expression.
Emphasis my own. Source. Archive.
Also I like this scene, it would be cool if Stella was literally akin to a fire-breathing dragon, and feel it fits her and Stolas. For fuck’s sake, Viv gave Andy a dragon before she gave anything to Stella.
The fact Octavia has a picture of them as a happy family, and how its implied that family life was stable before the affair, just makes everything worse.
It doesn’t even make sense. We’re supposed to believe that Stolas and Stella’s anger issues just started? That there were no indicators of them being unhinged wrecks before? That makes no sense. That’s not how dysfunctional behaviour works.
Viv could have given all of his melodramatic parts in this season to Stella and still had him be the big bad guy. In fact, it would make the audience take him more seriously as a bad guy if he successfully manipulated a powerful - if neither intelligent nor cautious - Stella.
Millie's ironically the only one who still wanted to take part in the thing, but after the eventual pregnancy reveal, it was less of that and moreso one of the signs of pregnancy (mood swings or whatever, I don't know).
I know I’m making them sound way cooler and more thought-out than Viv intended, but you basically made them sound like the Warhammer green-skins. Except Southern instead of Norf-ern.
Still saluting Via for finally calling Stolas out for his shit. Say what you will about Stella, but she will forever be the better parent of the two. View attachment 6777400
My only complaints are that I.M.P. suddenly grew a concious but only where gay people are involved and that the word "Christmas" didn't make them burst into flames.
Yeah I saw a comment or two on Tumblr, it’s about as sane as you’d expect and if I had to suffer reading this, so must everyone else: View attachment 6778012View attachment 6778009
Note, that the argument isn’t about choice or a difficult decision or any of the usual bullshit they peddle, it’s literally just hating children, christian rhetoric on THE ONE NATURAL ACT THAT MAKES A BABY, and the concept of a family.
