Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Tragon Dirtle]

polygamous and bi-sexual by default

I agree that probably a lot more people are bisexual than would identify as bisexual, if bisexual people are the middle of a spectrum more people would be there, but have you literally ever seen polygamy work out? I haven't.

 

[Baraadmirer]

they might ignore the socio economic factors and just assume they're descended from royalty and thus can't help the way they're born...

Isn't this called affluenza?

 

[Dang dirty Pidgeons!]

It's completely unfair from any angle to judge normal relationships, especially modern ones, by these metrics.

Tho, it's not entirely clear to me how you come to the conclusion that a renaissance aristocrat wasn't just as much of a happy camper like the hypothetical, faithfully married commoner. Sure, there's lots of dysfunction to behold there, but I'm not sure that being raised by many different people and engaging in sex with more than one partner are signs of dysfunction on their own merit, aristocrats and for that matter modern ruling classes just happen to navigate and maintain larger social networks, if they're good at what they're born into - these kinds of fluid relationships might very well even correlate with IQ on some level.
Do these loose, far spanning intimacy styles arise from the power games they play? Sure, but then, they play those power games in the first place and even commoners, like Casanova, who rose through the ranks played them - successfully, another happy camper. This is surely lots of thunk food ... Queer theorists should def. stop dunking on faithful marriages, as if faithful, endearing elderly couples, who just happen to love each other are some menace, hell bent on ruining their fun.

I agree that probably a lot more people are bisexual than would identify as bisexual, if bisexual people are the middle of a spectrum more people would be there, but have you literally ever seen polygamy work out? I haven't.

I guess people, who do it well, don't brag about it, because of the stigma. And people rarely talk about things that just work for them, when they run the risk of social suicide. Technically, well behaved johns going to their prostitutes for years on end behind their wife's back are also doing polygamy. And that's a lot of people, who tell "cindy" all about their daughter's new school and wife's cancer treatment in between blowjobs. It's just a really shitty social "format" in which this happens. Here it's also noteworthy that edo japan had brothels AND geisha houses, in a geisha house, geisha's were well respected and had stable relationships with their sponsors, whereas in the brothels you basically had full on, all out sex slavery, it was possible to be sentenced to protitution as legal punishment and they had so many customers, they often died in their 20s of veneral diseases - i wouldn't call that kind of abusive, kinda anonymous (since nobody obviously wants to remember faces and partners change everytime) sex polygamy, but the john going to the same "cindy" for years is more like a geisha patron, whereas the john picking up streetwalkers is more or less a legal serial rapist, imho. The marker for functional polygamy is the emotional and intellectual ability to arrange and maintain actual realtionships with multiple lovers - on that sidenote: many archetypal gays also don't qualify - grindr hookups in public parks are something I'd also peg as dysfunctional, it's all fire an forget. Marriage should def. be shilled as less restrictive, overall people should be allowed to form social formats, which are a good fit for their personality style, so all the mentioned abusive stuff someday ceases to happen, which is still a long road ahead. But maintaining more than one relationships requires means and that's why poor peasants frequented the edo horror borthels and well to do nobles and merchants the geisha house.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Queer theorists should def. stop dunking on faithful marriages, as if faithful, married elderly couples, who just happen to love each other are some menace, hell bent on ruining their fun.

But my PARENTS are this and THEY ARE SUPER DUPER TRANSPHOBIC AGAINST MEEEEEEEE

Edit: I think this can even come from a case of overcorrection. Mom and dad got divorced, mom told me true love isn't real, my first crush didn't work out or my second, time to go nuclear thanks to my black and white thought process.

 

[Paper Machete]

The marker for functional polygamy is the emotional and intellectual ability to arrange and maintain actual realtionships with multiple lovers

I think you're very naive about how johns, any johns, think about prostitutes. Info dumping on Cindy and paying for her for years isn't the same as an actual relationship. It's easy to maintain explicitly because it isn't a relationship. It's a performance. "You don't pay them to fuck, you pay them to leave." Emotional distance is part of the point. It's why it's easier to maintain than cheating with someone who isn't a pro. Because your'e paying the pro to be discreet rather than managing your extracurricular lovers and your main finding out about each other or telling on you.

Some people aren't built for settling down, for sure. But I think their inability to just be honest about that is the issue. But that's really off topic for this thread.

 

[Procrastinhater]

One of the most frustrating/anger inducing thing about trannies is what I can only describe as their feigned ignorance. If you try to debate them you quickly find them pretending not to understand incredibly simple concepts, and it reaches the point where it's like, you know this, I know that you know this, I know that you know that I know that you know this. But you're going to bait me into trying to explain things that we already know to be true anyway. They seem to have this thing where if someone can't explain something perfectly then what they are explaining isn't true

People feigning deliberate ignorance like that aren't worth anger fren, if you determine someone is being deliberately obtuse to that extent the only reaction they deserve is contempt and mockery. They're simply not worth wasting oxygen debating. I show people feigning that level of wilful ignorance the contempt and scorn they deserve and nothing more.

A woman is an adult human female. A chair is a device designed for sitting with four legs and a back rest.
A stupid nigger is someone who pretends they don't know what either of those things are.

 

[Dang dirty Pidgeons!]

I think you're very naive about how johns, any johns, think about prostitutes. Info dumping on Cindy and paying for her for years isn't the same as an actual relationship. It's easy to maintain explicitly because it isn't a relationship. It's a performance. "You don't pay them to fuck, you pay them to leave."

Yes to all of that, but it's still more than the even lower forms of prostitution, it's a stable arrangement of some sort. Like the loveless arranged marriages of aristocrats of yesteryear, you brushed over. I tried to use that to hammer home the point, that it's still rotten and I'd be better, if such a man didn't feel the need for secrecy and thus could have an actual side fling or whatever.

 

[Paper Machete]

Yes to all of that, but it's still more than the even lower forms of prostitution, it's a stable arrangement of some sort. Like the loveless arranged marriages of aristocrats of yesteryear, you brushed over. I tried to use that to hammer home the point, that it's still rotten and I'd be better, if such a man didn't feel the need for secrecy and thus could have an actual side fling or whatever.

I don't agree with side flings. I think such people should honestly just be single with casual hook ups and friends with benefits situations. If you have a main and side flings that's inherently not a stable relationship, especially if children are involved, regardless of how "allowed" it is and how on the same page the couple is. Take a gander through the r/polyamory thread in community watch if you want a taste of how it goes when "allowed".

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

AND geisha houses, in a geisha house, geisha's were well respected and had stable relationships with their sponsors,

wasn't the whole point of memoirs of a geisha (and the book, and the geisha's actual book, I admit I haven't read either) that the whole rarefied honoured geisha culture was bullshit? if it was bullshit then (recent history) why wouldn't it be bullshit then (ancient history)?

Some people aren't built for settling down, for sure. But I think their inability to just be honest about that is the issue. But that's really off topic for this thread.

I think some people just want permanent NRE or for other people / relationship managing to be their only or main hobby. I don't think either of those things would make you more intellectual or elite, if anything it would be a sign of having a more impulsive personality.

 

[Dang dirty Pidgeons!]

wasn't the whole point of memoirs of a geisha (and the book, and the geisha's actual book, I admit I haven't read either) that the whole rarefied honoured geisha culture was bullshit?

yeah, and the main source, a real geisha, was livid at arthur gold, the american author, and sued him. The problem is that many geisha houses deteriorated to mere brothels, the edo social order completely eroded post westernization. There's an autobiography, which was published by Mineko Iwasaki, the geisha in question - it's not what I'd wish for women, but I dove deeper and found a wildly mixed back of accounts about geisha houses. Sayo matsuda, for example, was in a horrific geisha house: beatings, hot iron brandings as punishments, the works. None of it is ok, but the original difference in treatment and sophistication of the women (and customers) between brothels and geisha hoses during the shogunate just sprang to my mind as a drastic illustration of the different levels and types of what may still technically count as polygamy.

I think some people just want permanent NRE or for other people / relationship managing to be their only or main hobby. I don't think either of those things would make you more intellectual or elite, if anything it would be a sign of having a more impulsive personality.

That was exactly what I tried to get across: If it looks shit and is shit, it's because of people engaging in it, who aren't actually cut out for it - be it economically, intellectually or emotionally. But I'm against painting it all with one brush and, more importantly, leaving out the secrecy some people engage in, because they still think, they have to hide from greater society out of shame.
At least one portion of potential customers would break off prositution, if people stopped playing disproportionate shame games. Of course, if your man goes behind your back, after swearing he'll be faithful, you're still ought to chase him around the barn with rolling pin. I approve

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

yeah, and the main source, a real geisha was livid at arthur gold, the american book author, about it and sued him. The problem is that many geisha houses deteriorated to mere brothels, the edo social order completely eroded post westernization. There's

yeah but she was livid for saying that she personally went through mizuage, and that it was a common practice in Gion, not that mizuage didn't exist (mizuage is the graduation ceremony that can include selling the apprentice's virginity.) Would men of any culture unanimously agree to leave a demographic of women with the right social status alone, if they had the money and means to otherwise manipulate or coerce them? Not all geishas would be prostitutes, but the idea that a whole culture of men collectively agreed to leave certain women alone seems implausible to me.

edit: I think we disagree about how impulsive people would behave and I guess just agree to disagree? like removing the shame would increase options but would still require consent and negotiation, and I think there are a lot of people, historically more often men, who aren't interested in that. They would want the transactional control provided by prostitution.

 

[Dang dirty Pidgeons!]

yeah but she was livid for saying that she personally went through mizuage, and that it was a common practice in Gion, not that mizuage didn't exist (mizuage is the graduation ceremony that can include selling the apprentice's virginity.) Would men of any culture unanimously agree to leave a demographic of women with the right social status alone, if they had the money and means to otherwise manipulate or coerce them? Not all geishas would be prostitutes, but the idea that a whole culture of men collectively agreed to leave certain women alone seems implausible to me.

edit: I think we disagree about how impulsive people would behave and I guess just agree to disagree? like removing the shame would increase options but would still require consent and negotiation, and I think there are a lot of people, historically more often men, who aren't interested in that. They would want the transactional control provided by prostitution.

Yeah, I can't even agree to disagree, because I also see that there's a point to be made with the christian institution of marriage as a means of tying women, with no other other means, to at least only one man, who's pressured to provide and protect her...
Lot's of thunk left. I opened a lot of worm cans by going with the prostitution example and bit off more more than I can chew at the moment, discussion wise. Tho, in general, as a modern, industrialized society without historic precedent, I want to believe we can do better and accommodate all of human nature with minimal damage to the individual. Somehow, someday

 

[AMHOLIO]

Yeah, I can't even agree to disagree, because I also see that there's a point to be made with the christian institution of marriage as a means of tying women, with no other other means, to at least only one man, who's pressured to provide and protect her...
Lot's of thunk left. I opened a lot of worm cans by going with the prostitution example and bit off more more than I can chew at the moment, discussion wise. Tho, in general, as a modern, industrialized society without historic precedent, I want to believe we can do better and accommodate all of human nature with minimal damage to the individual. Somehow, someday

Write a deep thought thread on monogomy and polygamy and polyamory and how sex works. You guys have a lot of thoughts, it's best to ponder (and shitpost) them there instead of the losers in dresses area. I mean it - there's plenty of discussion to be had throughout history on it.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

People feigning deliberate ignorance like that aren't worth anger fren, if you determine someone is being deliberately obtuse to that extent the only reaction they deserve is contempt and mockery. They're simply not worth wasting oxygen debating. I show people feigning that level of feigned ignorance the contempt and scorn they deserve and nothing more.

A woman is an adult human female. A chair is a device designed for sitting with four legs and a back rest.
A stupid nigger is someone who pretends they don't know what either of those things are.

They call people cis and trans. This way, they even say loud they know the difference.
As was written in that ancient Polish dictionary, ''Horse: Everyone knows what a horse is.''

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

Write a deep thought thread on monogomy and polygamy and polyamory and how sex works. You guys have a lot of thoughts, it's best to ponder (and shitpost) them there instead of the losers in dresses area. I mean it - there's plenty of discussion to be had throughout history on it.

Fuck it, I'll do it. I hate polygamists, and I guess I'll toss sex in, too. Personally, I think Trannies and polygamist overlap because only bottom feeders fall back on that shit. I've seen more poly troons than I do sad ugly fatties

Edit: here's the poorly made thread https://kiwifarms.st/threads/deep-thunks-relationships-and-sex.207667/

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Why do troons like the name Juniper so much? Is there a media reference I am missing?

I figured Lilith and Luna are both edgy teen witch/goth things. Most of the other meme names come from video games or something else obvious. What's up with Juniper? I keep seeing them both online and in the wild. Is it because troons, being sex offenders, have a natural affinity for hedges- the natural habitat of the hiding voyeur?

 

[deermeat]

I have no idea the dosage of T they give the average poon, but it makes me wonder.... How big can a poon truly get taking HRT?

Its so crazy how I barely ever see younger poons (in their early 20s) who take T and aren't fat as shit or lanky or some variation of skinnyfat. I mog most pooners my age despite not being on roids and with little effort in the gym.

So lets say you, a female who wants to get swole quick, goes undercover as a poon and visit Planned Parenthood to start your roid journey. How much gains can you get?

 

[Paper Machete]

How much gains can you get?

I have no idea. More than a natal female for sure but the drug cocktail bodybuilders use is also different than just straight exogenous T. There's a lot of other magic sauce they get up to that's insane. So that could account for the difference. As I understand it the roids will help muscle building but you still have to have a good base to work off of and actually work to build it correctly to get the results you want. So, they probably never went into a gym before in their lives before starting.

 

[squidward tentacles]

They call people cis and trans. This way, they even say loud they know the difference.
As was written in that ancient Polish dictionary, ''Horse: Everyone knows what a horse is.''

Look at how they react to 'afab transwomen', or when those women pretended to be mtfs for onlyfans. If biological sex really didn't matter to them, thenwhy get so mad about it? Transwomen are women after all, so it stands that women are transwomen.

Spoiler: women with fake bulges

 

[Aunt Carol]

Why do troons like the name Juniper so much? Is there a media reference I am missing?

The name started getting popular IRL in the 2010s, but there were some media characters at the same time, so while real Junipers are just hitting their teens, dudes in their late 20s might be remembering thinking the name was cool.

All the pop media "Junipers" I can think of are at least manic pixie dreamgirl-adjacent, and a few are actual small girls. It's shorthand for your character being spunky.