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Has anyone captured a clear, high resolution photo of anything that's not an FAA compliant commercial drone, helicopter or airplane? Despite all the reports and potato tier photos/videos, I have yet to see a single photo or video showing anything truly anomalous. Nothing but blurry lights and what are clearly normal aircraft.

I will say, one thing that this recent fiasco has re-enforced is how poorly the federal government communicates to state and local level governments. That's the real concern here. Other than that, the mass hysteria, baseless claims, and meaningless measures taken by local governments are par for the course.
 
There is a drone war going on in Russia and Ukraine and every future war will be a drone war. If I assume the US is flying experimental drones over the United States every night because of this and set out to take a picture of such a drone I can imagine I would be chased away from the best areas for viewing. It's night, the object is far away, it's probably moving, I don't have a good vantage point, and it may be disguised as something else. It might be close to impossible to get a good enough photograph to be like, "Yes, that is clearly an experimental new drone," and then rule out forgery and optical illusion and swamp gas and all the rest. Someone would have to really dedicate themselves to getting this shot and they would need to know where to look.
 
There is a drone war going on in Russia and Ukraine and every future war will be a drone war. If I assume the US is flying experimental drones over the United States every night because of this and set out to take a picture of such a drone I can imagine I would be chased away from the best areas for viewing. It's night, the object is far away, it's probably moving, I don't have a good vantage point, and it may be disguised as something else. It might be close to impossible to get a good enough photograph to be like, "Yes, that is clearly an experimental new drone," and then rule out forgery and optical illusion and swamp gas and all the rest. Someone would have to really dedicate themselves to getting this shot and they would need to know where to look.
You don't get this happening if it's an experimental US government program:

Harassment Of Navy Destroyers By Mysterious Drone Swarms Off California Went On For Weeks (2021)
Mysterious Drones Swarmed Langley AFB For Weeks (Mar 2024 article about Dec 2023 sightings)
Army Arsenal Seeking Info On Mysterious Drone Flights Over Installation
Mysterious Drones Have Descended Again On U.S. Air Bases In The United Kingdom (Updated)
U.S. Air Force Confirms Drone Sightings Over Ramstein Air Base In Germany
Drone Incursions Closed Wright-Patterson Air Force Base’s Airspace Friday Night

If these are routine, approved experiments, there's no need to report it or shut down a base. They would just say nothing, and no civilians on the ground would see stealth drones.
 
@The Mass Shooter Ron Soye
not saying i trust Jesse at his word, but when it comes to UFO lore you need to follow everybody who puts it out so here it is
potential new UFO lore incoming in an hour or 2, of course he has to announce it because what is the UFO topic without hype?
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Jesse Michels: "Most important video we’ve ever made coming in a few hours". Previously Jesse Michels interviewed Grusch, Karl Nell, Elizondo, many others. Who or whats more important than that? A new whistleblower? Several people have said recently that a big name would come forward within weeks
 
potential new UFO lore incoming in an hour or 2, of course he has to announce it because what is the UFO topic without hype?
It's about New Jersey (((drones))):

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxpMCh12hCTdd0E3yZGlK1eUf6IeHdLTGO (ghost)
The most important video we’ve ever made comes out today. And it helps explain these “Jersey drones”. Stay tuned!!!!

He also has a debate between Marik von Rennenkampf and Mick West ready to upload at some point, which is decidedly not important:

Hosted an EPIC debate between the great ⁦ @MvonRen ⁩ and the formidable ⁦ @MickWest ⁩. Both are doing very important work in attempting to debunk, verify and classify all of these insane UFO or “drone” videos circulating the web. Episode coming soon 🛸
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But he has a video every few days. Hopefully it's better than "CIA Contractor: "Obama Received An Alien Prophecy!"".
 
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Has anyone captured a clear, high resolution photo of anything that's not an FAA compliant commercial drone, helicopter or airplane? Despite all the reports and potato tier photos/videos, I have yet to see a single photo or video showing anything truly anomalous. Nothing but blurry lights and what are clearly normal aircraft.

I will say, one thing that this recent fiasco has re-enforced is how poorly the federal government communicates to state and local level governments. That's the real concern here. Other than that, the mass hysteria, baseless claims, and meaningless measures taken by local governments are par for the course.
I actually have only seen one drone video this entire time and it's a video of a drone with a white LED flashlight taped to it, dicking around in their backyard. Outside of that, I literally have seen ZERO drone videos. Which, you know, it's hard to take ANYBODY seriously when they talk about drones without the prerequisite drone footage. Like I *WANT* to see drone footage, 90% of it is regular manned aircraft, and the rest is stars, planets, and two fakes.
I have to leave now.

Look at how your government has responded to this (it hasn't).

Your Navy was buzzed by unknown drones from 2019 to the present.

Your bases have been buzzed by unknown drones from 2018 to the present.

Your bases are being heavily swarmed by unknown drones with signature management from last month to the present.

Your government is in panic and can not get its story straight.

The Chinese Military went silent last month.

The less advanced drones are ours.

The more advanced are theirs.

Do you think it's aliens swarming your bases and navy or do you think it's China?

Many of you need to update your model of the china of today. They are authoritarian, they are conducting a genocide, and they are desperate right now and Xi will be ousted if Trump's tariffs go into effect.

Xi has no choice.

My best guess, they'll attack on Christmas.

You all better fucking hope I'm schizo.
THE CHINESE WILL START THEIR DRONE SWARM ATTACK ON CHRISTMAS DAY AND THEY WILL FUCK YOUR MOM!!!!!
 
I might watch it and summarize. Going by the title and community post alone, he may be advocating a Drones vs. Aliens theory like @The Gene Genie talked about.
i skipped to towards the end and here is a random quote i landed on-
"so maybe with UFO abductions we are experiencing remnants of a future time travel program that is co-located with our nuclear assets. just look at what famed director Steven Spielberg had to say."
:story:
this guy has it all figured out, the Galactic Federation everybody, "catastrophic disclosure" guys!
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i skipped to towards the end and here is a random quote i landed on-
"so maybe with UFO abductions we are experiencing remnants of a future time travel program that is co-located with our nuclear assets. just look at what famed director Steven Spielberg had to say."
:story:
In the first minute (0:37) it has the debunked shooting + drone composite video.
Two fucking hours. Skip.
Someone got AI to summarize it from the captions. Surprise, it's a nothingburger, just more UFOs and Nukes author Robert Hastings stitched with some other stuff for noobs.

 
In the first minute (0:37) it has the debunked shooting + drone composite video.
i noticed that in a number of comments
"most important video we’ve ever made" btw

so whats the score anyway?
is there anything official coming up next year, or is it dead in the water? they cant just keep having hearings
no real witnesses are turning up and last time Nancy and a few others made a point to keep saying "somebody who has seen something needs to show up this time"
so whats next? i havent been keeping an eye on Matt Laslo lately and he is usually pretty good at getting that question answered, you usually are much more locked in to that question
i am a mostly confused about where they expect this to go when their witnesses refuse to cooperate, both their witnesses and the hostile witnesses
i have a feeling they just want to keep clickbaiting the government into having hearings about UFOs
 
I might watch it and summarize. Going by the title and community post alone, he may be advocating a Drones vs. Aliens theory like @The Gene Genie talked about.
I'll watch it when I get the chance, but from the summary it seems like the same stuff we've (at least us in this thread) have already heard, read, and discussed from multiple sources now.
i noticed that in a number of comments
"most important video we’ve ever made" btw

so whats the score anyway?
is there anything official coming up next year, or is it dead in the water? they cant just keep having hearings
no real witnesses are turning up and last time Nancy and a few others made a point to keep saying "somebody who has seen something needs to show up this time"
so whats next? i havent been keeping an eye on Matt Laslo lately and he is usually pretty good at getting that question answered, you usually are much more locked in to that question
i am a mostly confused about where they expect this to go when their witnesses refuse to cooperate, both their witnesses and the hostile witnesses
i have a feeling they just want to keep clickbaiting the government into having hearings about UFOs
Personally, anyone expecting actual UFO/Alien Disclosure from the Government is barking up the wrong tree. Why would the institution that has, by all accounts, tried to suppress this shit through every method in the book for the past 70+ years suddenly now decide to start talking because some Representatives on a Committee ask questions? Maybe I'm a pessimist, but the only way we're getting disclosure is the "catastrophic" method, which is that Spock lands at Bozeman.
 
Personally, anyone expecting actual UFO/Alien Disclosure from the Government is barking up the wrong tree. Why would the institution that has, by all accounts, tried to suppress this shit through every method in the book for the past 70+ years suddenly now decide to start talking because some Representatives on a Committee ask questions? Maybe I'm a pessimist, but the only way we're getting disclosure is the "catastrophic" method, which is that Spock lands at Bozeman.
i couldnt agree more man, i think thats a dead end too
there is no scenario i can see where if something advanced dropped from the sky, the military would disclose it to anyone
those fuckers wont even give you modern camera footage without editing the fuck out of it so you wont know their capabilities

but its more about the usual suspects being held to their word than expecting the gov to disclose
the gov will never do that, but they (the usual suspects) said their job was to make the gov disclose to the public, and said it had to be done like that to protect national security
so if thats the path they went down i think its important to note that path is a dead end and whatever it is they are trying to do is dead in the water
all they have is "catastrophic" unfortunately, there is nothing left to do in congress or any kind of official setting

we were told to expect 40 whistleblowers and hard evidence
not 1 person with any goods came forward, after Grusch got 40 whistleblowers they all cried protections arent enough, all of them apparently...
if his witnesses were never going to come forward because protections arent enough, then GG
my point is the retards saying retarded shit need to be held to account too
they make it out as if they are fighting the good fight when in reality they are stonewalling just as hard as the government
because they know they dont have anything, and the longer they drag this out the longer the gravy train stays on the tracks

TLDR
i believe this new investigation into UAPs was never going anywhere because none of the "40 whisteblowers" that got every bodies attention were ever going to testify
both sides deserve to be set on fire for this one so we can make a signal fire
and that signal fire will catch the attention of Spock as he flies by, i hope
 
because they know they dont have anything, and the longer they drag this out the longer the gravy train stays on the tracks
If I was inclined, I would say that this whole thing with Grusch and the rest is a total cattlechute and a great way to defuse the momentum that built up around the leaked videos that came out in 2017. I think all Elizondo and Mellon and the rest know is those videos and that something is being hidden, and that's the amount of knowledge that they all know. There's nothing they know that isn't already out there: that there are straight phenomena in the skies, that the Executive Branch of the Federal Government are conducing unauthorized research on this phenomena, and all of this is being hidden deliberately from Congress and the American people. That's the extent of what they can offer, and when you strip away all of the shit they say that's where you're at.

One could say that the 40 whistleblowers were threatened into silence, but why? Grusch and Elizondo and others make it sound like disclosure MUST happen, but if it was so terrible (as they allude to "ontological shock" "ominous" and whatever other phrases they use) why not just tell people and deal with the consequences? And then the constant baiting and switching on the news and podcast circuit where they spit out hypotheticals and beg the viewer to fill in the gaps with whatever they believe.

Don't even get me started on Ashton Forbes and the other "anti-woke Disclosure" types, who don't even think this phenomena is anything other than a USG project. Give me a break.

The woo people are, if nothing else, more internally consistent than they are.
 
so whats the score anyway?
is there anything official coming up next year, or is it dead in the water? they cant just keep having hearings
no real witnesses are turning up and last time Nancy and a few others made a point to keep saying "somebody who has seen something needs to show up this time"
so whats next? i havent been keeping an eye on Matt Laslo lately and he is usually pretty good at getting that question answered, you usually are much more locked in to that question
i am a mostly confused about where they expect this to go when their witnesses refuse to cooperate, both their witnesses and the hostile witnesses
i have a feeling they just want to keep clickbaiting the government into having hearings about UFOs
Despite some fishiness and lack of results with the last hearing, good vibes so far as reported by Ask a Pol:

UAP Caucus Co-chair Luna expecting new “era of transparency” from Trump’s team (archive)
US House Oversight Chair Comer says a Select UAP Committee “is being discussed” (archive)

As an aside, I checked Laslo's Twitter and noticed he has a separate askapoldrugs.com domain. :story:

The grift crowd thinks Robert Salas could end up in a hearing, but he is one of their own and not one of the 1st:grab: whistleblowers we're looking for:

Captain Robert Salas, who claims UFOs shut down nuclear missiles at US military bases, could be one of the next witnesses in the Congressional UFO Hearings!
Steven Bassett confirms upcoming congressional hearing will have first hand witnesses such as Robert Salas as the focus

Frankly, they CAN "just keep having hearings", because whatever comes of the New Jersey flap, it got a ton of media attention, being the top story on Google News for multiple days and on plenty of outlets. It has reinvigorated the topic of UAPs, which means unidentified not aliens. It's going to get its own hearing that may or may not be linked to what the UAP Caucus are trying to do. Depends on who controls the hearing. There was a hearing on the Chinese balloons within a WEEK of it happening.

Best case scenario? The "drones" act as the catalyst that gets the UAP Caucus their Select Committee, and they go wild with it.

Outside of Congress, there is some hope for the Trump administration 2.0, which is likely going to have lots of UFO believers including Peter Thiel-linked individuals in it. Shadow President Elon Musk is a wild card since he has insisted multiple times that there's no aliens. Some on r/UFOs believe he's lying and that he's been "read in". His denials are a little autistic, like oh our Starlinks haven't hit any UFOs.
 
Outside of Congress, there is some hope for the Trump administration 2.0, which is likely going to have lots of UFO believers including Peter Thiel-linked individuals in it. Shadow President Elon Musk is a wild card since he has insisted multiple times that there's no aliens. Some on r/UFOs believe he's lying and that he's been "read in". His denials are a little autistic, like oh our Starlinks haven't hit any UFOs.
There is a lot of faith in the Trump Administration that he will disclose, at least partially if not completely, within a lot of the circles. Some of them think he'll do it just to stick it to the Establishment, and then you have others like the Pleiadean types who think Trump is read-in completely and will initiate contact with the Federation. Whether or not you believe that is purely based on you. Trump is probably more likely to disclose as any President we've ever had, but that isn't saying much at all.

Maybe there is something to the whole "2027" thing that was going around for a while. It does feel like the topic of UFOs have increased in pitch and scope over the past few years.
 
I don't even think if it comes from Trump it will be for any reason beyond he'll get to say he was the President who did it. If Alf landed on the white house lawn from Melmac, or a legit war of the worlds started and the timing of it was entirely coincidental I think he'd just want to be the guy people remember as the President in office that told the American people (and the rest of the world) yeah folks, this shit is absolutely real.

which, while retarded, is fine by me. as long as somebody does it. I imagine most presidents probably know more than your average American but they keep them in the dark for the most part so he probably knew day 1 last time that there are at least UFO/UAPs. But I doubt he knew jack shit beyond that. This time I'd imagine we'll hear more from him about what's out there regardless of hearings and overall disclosure although it does seem likely beyond even the current drone thing we've been getting drip fed information for a decade for a reason.

I just personally don't think it's going to end up we are in active communication with any. would be cool and I wouldn't be surprised, but I doubt it.
 
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