General GunTuber thread

[waffle]

Still, how embarrassing that he wants to fight somebody over noticing that. Eric always reminded me of Piggy from the 1963 edition of Lord of the Flies.

I live in bro vet country, and Eric is a real common kind of guy around her -which is the dude where the only thing of note he ever did in his life was be combat arms during war time. Because of that everything has to wrap back around to "I was in Iraq, bro" because he knows it's all he's got. Usually that guy just has multiple DUIs instead of a YouTube channel.

 

[Sumptinsfuckey]

Gotta say, this line of reasoning of "I was doing X, while you were only Y, boy!" can easily be used the other way around. "Well, grandpa, you'll be shitting yourself in an asylum while I'll be living my life to my fullest. Ain't that a bitch?"

Age comparisons should be done to remind people they exist, yet this respect for the elderly is completely twisted, like "I OWN YOU, AND YET I HAVE NO REASONS TO PROVE WHY!"

The assumption is that greater age has resulted in more experience hence greater mastery. Sometimes true.

He is way to long winded and limp wristed but he is right. TRT is just troonshine for gym bros and will fuck your life up just as much.

It depends. Actual TRT, as in taking low doses of something like testosterone cypionate in order to bring declining T levels up closer to what they once were, or to boost unnaturally low levels to the mean can help some folks hugely. As an example when I was working 70+ hour weeks, mostly at night at 45, a 3 month course of Test helped me sleep better and get more out of limited sleep.


That said, Tren is not TRT. It's sometimes referred to as TRT+, but thats just code for "roids".

All that said, a LOT of 40+ guys would have a much better quality of life from actual TRT IMHO.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

Lucas' post about marriage counseling was even less cringe than normal. For Lucas at least. He acknowledged his own personal weaknesses and talked about hiw he took steps to improve. Lucas has said way more retarded things in the past that didn't get half this emotional of a response.

 

[Mikoyan]

I live in bro vet country, and Eric is a real common kind of guy around her -which is the dude where the only thing of note he ever did in his life was be combat arms during war time. Because of that everything has to wrap back around to "I was in Iraq, bro" because he knows it's all he's got. Usually that guy just has multiple DUIs instead of a YouTube channel.

At my age we had a cohort before 9/11 that was that but they hadn't even done anything. The stories were all 'sitting around in Germany but bro it was so cool'. Strangest flexes ever.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

I swear there's an entire genre of these people talking about the M14 I've never met a Vietnam vet who had a problem with them.
No Ian those guns are bad because they're a bad design not because they're based off the M14 you and your people with your conspiracy theories about how it was sabotage against the M16 even though it's impossible to get militaries to adopt new technology.
Reliable Breach loaders go back as far as the Revolutionary War Napoleon was actually offered a design by a gunsmith and turned it down.

For a firearms historian he really doesn't understand this concept.

I swear this man can't review anything based off an M14 without going on a long tinge but how it's the worst gun ever made and how the M16 is superior in every way.
Other than that I actually like most of Ian's videos especially on the obscure Russian equipment also wish I could buy one of those antimaterial rifles from South Africa those look awesome to fire

FPS Russia and CarniK Con were Jolt Cola, all these other dudes are Diet Great Value Cola, with ads on the label for debt consolidation services and monthly subscription boxes full of trash nobody wants.

FPS Russia did nothing wrong and he was railroaded through the courts and he was generally actually funny

Iraqvet1488 and Botkin seem to have agreed. That or Lucas was fucking with him and Iraqvet was too retarded to get it.

The idea that veterans have any more right to talk about anything is laughably absurd based on the system of government the founders put in place we're a republican system of government every citizen is a soldier was supposed to be a soldier.

 

[waffle]

I swear there's an entire genre of these people talking about the M14 I've never met a Vietnam vet who had a problem with them.
No Ian those guns are bad because they're a bad design not because they're based off the M14 you and your people with your conspiracy theories about how it was sabotage against the M16 even though it's impossible to get militaries to adopt new technology.
Reliable Breach loaders go back as far as the Revolutionary War Napoleon was actually offered a design by a gunsmith and turned it down.

For a firearms historian he really doesn't understand this concept.

FPS Russia did nothing wrong and he was railroaded through the courts and he was generally actually funny

I've heard vet complaints about the weight and the magazine changes, but generally I think the hate was over stated. I remember back in the 90s the propaganda went the other way, they say the vets all hated the M16, but IRL they'd all say the loved the weight and the usable full auto, and the ones who were in for the change over complain about "the early ammo was bad" or not having a cleaning kit.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

I've heard vet complaints about the weight and the magazine changes, but generally I think the hate was over stated. I remember back in the 90s the propaganda went the other way, they say the vets all hated the M16, but IRL they'd all say the loved the weight and the usable full auto, and the ones who were in for the change over complain about "the early ammo was bad" or not having a cleaning kit.

Friend of mine who's a Vietnam vet loves his M14 that's what me and a few of our mutual friends got him for his birthday it's the new world in models but it's still the wood furniture version.
The M16 does actually have a lot of benefits but there wasn't a conspiracy against it it was literally just corporate greed getting people killed because they were lying about Chrome line barrels and that you never need to clean it.
Still not as much as a scam as the US army's new rifle that uses a cartridge that is only made by the company that also manufacturers the rifle that only this rifle takes man that's next level of graft

 

[Romulus augustulus]

I swear there's an entire genre of these people talking about the M14 I've never met a Vietnam vet who had a problem with them.
No Ian those guns are bad because they're a bad design not because they're based off the M14 you and your people with your conspiracy theories about how it was sabotage against the M16 even though it's impossible to get militaries to adopt new technology.
Reliable Breach loaders go back as far as the Revolutionary War Napoleon was actually offered a design by a gunsmith and turned it down.

For a firearms historian he really doesn't understand this concept.

I swear this man can't review anything based off an M14 without going on a long tinge but how it's the worst gun ever made and how the M16 is superior in every way.
Other than that I actually like most of Ian's videos especially on the obscure Russian equipment also wish I could buy one of those antimaterial rifles from South Africa those look awesome to fire


FPS Russia did nothing wrong and he was railroaded through the courts and he was generally actually funny



The idea that veterans have any more right to talk about anything is laughably absurd based on the system of government the founders put in place we're a republican system of government every citizen is a soldier was supposed to be a soldier.

and at the same time they will praise the M1 garand.

If you look at the M14 in the environment it was adopted its a perfectly usable service rifle:

• it has good enough accuracy to land every shot on a man sized target out to ~600 yards, and hits on groups past 1,000 yards.
• has a box magazine of 20 rounds standard.
• good sights.
• it weighs ~9 pounds, which is right in line with the common service rifles of that era

people also cry about how army ordinance rigged the trails against the FN FAL and AR10 but:

• the FAL failed in arctic testing
• the FAL has more parts
• the AR10 literally blew up during the trials and was DQ'd

plus the FN FAL that was being considered was not the FAL that most people shoot today. it was a open topped rifle (for strip clips) with not possible way to mount a scope as designed.

I think were people go wrong is thinking that the M14 is a "sniper" rifle. it is not, was not and is not meant to be. it was not shoe-horned into that role until many years after it was withdrawn from front line service, and only because the Army would not or could not acquire the funds to buy a semi-auto marksman rifle en masse.

 

[waffle]

A bunch of cogent M14 stuff

The real problem with the M14 is they spent so much time fucking around with the gas system the world was already moving past battle rifles by the time it came out. They should have just adopted the the t44 (M14 grand with BAR mags), the BM59, or the G3 (it was always more accurate than the FAL and the scope mounts aren't Rube Goldberg machines)

I must correct my self, apparently they had the gas system ready way before trials and the delay was mostly about the ordinance board fucking around and also good old production problems.

 

[Lupo Akane]

I use to like Herrera's gun meme reviews but half the time there's like 4 or 5 memes and the rest of the time he's just talking about stuff not related to the memes same with his Darwin awards.....

 

[AncientPhosphur]

I've heard vet complaints about the weight and the magazine changes, but generally I think the hate was over stated. I remember back in the 90s the propaganda went the other way, they say the vets all hated the M16, but IRL they'd all say the loved the weight and the usable full auto, and the ones who were in for the change over complain about "the early ammo was bad" or not having a cleaning kit.

Some of the GWOT vets hated it especially because of the EBR stock they were issued with due to all the gunk that would get into it.

 

[Samhain]

I use to like Herrera's gun meme reviews but half the time there's like 4 or 5 memes and the rest of the time he's just talking about stuff not related to the memes same with his Darwin awards.....

I had a video from a woman named Alex Zedra pop up in my feed that was a "gun fails" kind of thing. Against my better judgement, I clicked on it and watched. It was no worse than Herrera's Darwin award videos. Maybe even a little better. Apparently she's a Twitch streamer, but into guns. Video felt very Herrera-esque, even down to the ad reads.

 

[74164978231]

I had a video from a woman named Alex Zedra pop up in my feed that was a "gun fails" kind of thing. Against my better judgement, I clicked on it and watched. It was no worse than Herrera's Darwin award videos. Maybe even a little better. Apparently she's a Twitch streamer, but into guns. Video felt very Herrera-esque, even down to the ad reads.

Sounds about right for someone who got their start being a call of duty model/character.

 

[RSU 1741]

conspiracy theories

It wasn't a theory. The M14 development and production was a complete shitshow and it resulted in an inferior product compared to foreign alternatives (as Waffle correctly points out) and the office politics around it were astoundingly petty and infuriating. So yes, there was a conspiracy to get an American design win.

If you look at the M14 in the environment it was adopted its a perfectly usable service rifle:

• it has good enough accuracy to land every shot on a man sized target out to ~600 yards, and hits on groups past 1,000 yards.
• has a box magazine of 20 rounds standard.
• good sights.
• it weighs ~9 pounds, which is right in line with the common service rifles of that era

Compared to its direct opponent, the AKM:
- Accuracy beyond 300-400 meters has debatable use bar in extremely open fields and WW2 experience rewarded higher volume of fire over theoretical long-range precision
- 30 rounds mag with lighter rounds
- decent sights
- the AKM is roughly 3,5 kg, lighter that whatever 9 pounds is in human measurements

The M14 was simply too late and born out of a old doctrine. Ian has a bias against it because a lot of the literature has a bias against it for the aforementioned reasons, weirdly as it may sound the personal opinions of soldiers have little impact on the historical evaluation. It's the difference between grunt lore and "history".

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Plus when it comes to the grunt lore for the M14 it depends entirely on who you ask, I know plenty of Vietnam vets (including my own grandfather) who adored the M16 and preferred it to the M14 because they hated lugging around the long, heavy, bitch (in my grandpa's specific case he had to lug around a rifle whilst simultaneously handling a dog) and enjoyed the fact that they got to carry more than sixty or eighty rounds.

Hell, the anecdotal evidence that I personally have access to suggests that grunts who prefer the M14 to the M16 were either non combat MOS or were deployed somewhere that wasn't Vietnam and consequently never actually saw combat. Furthermore, the more recently they served the more they hated the M14 because it's accuracy was only dabteably better than their M16 or M4 and the M16/M4 gets better while the M14 stays the same. The only vets I've met who prefer the M14 are guys who unironically buy into the ".223 is meant to wound" line.

But once again, this is all purely anecdotal.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

 

[Archie_Kimkicker]

Lucas is a giant faggot.

 

[CIS White Droid]

Lucas is a giant faggot.

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"A christian nation for christians" "a betrayal of all our christian forefathers gave us"
I'm sure the forefathers that were the ancestors of those fleeing religious persecution would wholly approve of the US becoming a Theocracy. It's not like they separated church and state for a reason or anything.

 

[Seafarer]

The real problem with the M14 is they spent so much time fucking around with the gas system the world was already moving past battle rifles by the time it came out. They should have just adopted the the t44 (M14 grand with BAR mags), the BM59, or the G3 (it was always more accurate than the FAL and the scope mounts aren't Rube Goldberg machines)

I must correct my self, apparently they had the gas system ready way before trials and the delay was mostly about the ordinance board fucking around and also good old production problems.

The production issues with the M14 were especially egregious since iirc it was billed as “we just make the M1 Garand but give it a detachable box magazine and give it a caliber that is ballistically similar to .30-06 but smaller, oh also make it full auto despite being very uncontrollable and scrap the M15 SAW variant, and we’ll get this thing out in no time!”.

and at the same time they will praise the M1 garand.

You say that but it’s not an uncommon take in gun historian circles to say that the M1 Garand was quickly becoming obsolete following WW2, as it lacked the detachable box magazines that were becoming standard in western militaries, nor the intermediate cartridges that were being used in the Soviet sphere. The M1 Garand was as effective a gun as it was because it was the only semi-auto gun to become standard issue for a WW2 Army and didn’t suffer from the reliability issues as its only contemporaries to come close in production numbers (Gewehr-43 and SVT-40). Within five-years after WW2 the M1 was outclassed in the battle rifle department by weapons like the MAS-49 and FN-49, and in the infantry rifle department by the SKS and AK-47.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

The M1 Garand was originally intended and built to have box magazines.
TPTB were the ones who decided the M1 Garand would have the embloc clip instead of a magazine over financial and material costs, and time to manufacture them.