Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

scathefire said:
I don’t care what his says, the Muslim shit was at least partially a fetish, his tweets about it indicate that. Now I’m wondering how he’s going to incorporate Catholicism into his sex
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He’ll pretend to be one of the cutesy nuns from some third-rate anime he’d never admit to watching, all in a bid to challenge guys to get him to “reluctantly” break his sacred promise to God. The problem, of course, is that cuteness or any modicum of attraction tends not to inhabit the same star system as these types (not that that matters to chasers). Plus, there’s no way he could convincingly act out a vow of chastity for any length of time, nor affect the thinnest veneer of holiness or repentance.

Not that it matters. After he’s been at this LARP for fifteen minutes, he’ll convert to Shintoism and poorly skinwalk a petite shrine maiden from another anime he definitely doesn’t watch.
 
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Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r said:
I would want to ask him why, exactly, and how far this logic extends. Does it apply to any other kind of elective plastic surgeries and medication? Why or why not?
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From one of his previous articles:
I think it’s important to explore this category error because it’s the root of the NHS’ systemic transphobia. If a cis woman wants breast augmentation to correct uneven or underdeveloped breasts she can present to her GP with “significant psychological distress” and be referred to a plastic surgeon, but only a specialist in a Gender Identity Clinic can diagnose “gender dysphoria.” So a cis woman who wants breast augmentation can be referred to a surgeon by her GP but a trans woman who wants the same procedure from the same surgeon has to go to a segregated clinic to be diagnosed with this extra thing, “dysphoria,” first.
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He is of course contradicting himself. Since 2014 it's become ever more impossible to get elective surgeries after a scandal in 2013 about a woman who got boobs for feeling too upset to leave the house over being flat chested (in 2009, story only broke in 2013):
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This is the only publicly known example of a woman receiving breast implants on the NHS purely over distress from cup size (and she painted a picture of having had extreme bullying throughout adolescence which caused her to go nuts... although I'm pretty sure she was lying to get a boob job). There's no other example I can find anywhere.

The overwhelming majority of breast augmentations on the NHS are reconstructive following cancer-related mastectomy, and part of that is because it's a harm reduction technique (i.e. women may demand more expensive surgeries or refuse treatment if they're told they'll have their breast removed and not receive a reconstruction, which would then exacerbate mortality and healthcare costs from women dying of breast cancer when they could just give them reconstructive boob jobs). We don't have a full breakdown of exactly how many non-cancer related breast surgeries occur on the NHS but there's a variety of FOIs and informational leaflets lurking around that paint a picture:
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Some trusts will make accommodations for patients with complete absence of breasts - in the words of one trust:
Absence of the breast: A rare condition wherein the normal growth of the breast or nipple never takes places. They are congenitally absent. There is no sign whatsoever of the breast tissue, areola or nipple. There is nothing there. NB Absence of the breast, also called amastia, is frequently not an isolated problem. Unilateral amastia (amastia just on one side) is often associated with absence of the pectoral muscles (the muscles of the front of the chest). Bilateral amastia (with absence of both breasts) is associated in 40% of cases with multiple congenital anomalies involving other parts of the body as well.
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which is obviously an exceptional congenital condition which isn't relevant here (because men have breast tissue too). There may be consideration for significant asymmetry like Poland's Syndrome, which again, is not something Ollie has.

Some trusts have wording for clinical exceptionality. We just don't know how many clinical exceptions get granted but the threshold would be something like "I wake up every day and want to kill myself because I have a flat chest. I frequently self harm because of my flat chest. My feelings of being flat chested mean I do not leave the house, and I'm so preoccupied with my flat chest that I am unable to hold down a job. I isolate myself from everyone because of my flat chest. No form of psychiatric intervention has helped me - all forms of talk therapy have failed, and I have been prescribed maximum doses of a variety of anti-depressants, anti-anxiety pills, anti-psychotics and atypical medications for treatment-resistant depression. Electroconvulsive therapy has been unable to help me. Literally every single treatment the NHS offers for mental distress has failed to turn me into even a semi-functional human being and the only thing that would help is a breast augmentation".

Even then, we can see multiple trusts still will not make allowances for a breast augmentation in that scenario and have explicit wording to that end - they would reject any individual funding request on that basis and tell the patient to go private and pay for a breast augmentation. This is partially because there's no guarantee that a breast augmentation would actually help in that scenario, because the patient is so mental about being flat chested that they might immediately fixate on something else (since being that concerned about bust size is mentally abnormal). But again, that doesn't apply to Ollie. He's not in receipt of any Personal Independence Payment. He's able to leave the house and socialise. He's able to hold down a job. He's able to have intimate relationships. He voluntarily appears on camera both on YouTube and film/TV, and he wears skimpy outfits that showcase his chest. Clearly he does not experience clinically significant levels of distress around his boobs. Ollie would probably claim that he has some vague suicidal thoughts about it but those claimed suicidal thoughts aren't prominent enough to warrant clinical exceptionality because he's able to function despite them. According to the 2014 Adult Psychiatric Morbidity Survey, 20.6% of adults experience suicidal ideation at some point in their lives. For example, I considered suicide while watching Dracula's Ex Girlfriend, and I'm sure a lot of people in this thread may have considered harming themselves after seeing Ollie's latex outfits.

It's still at odds with Ollie's argument that people have a "right to sex" and should get fully funded NHS treatments for gender transition no questions asked - because as we've established, there's not a single woman in this country who would get a breast augmentation "no questions asked" on the NHS.
kazuhiro said:
He took Christmas Eve off and felt awful. Did you realize MOST people take TWO days off a WEEK? Who knew, right?
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"my partner...she".
I think we can safely assume Ollie didn't have a boyfriend, last reference to one was the end of September and he said in one of his videos he does invent a hypothetical boyfriend as a rhetorical device. Although I did find this picture of him and Elsa while double checking, which is horrible.
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Stupid Sexy Flanders said:
AGP brains just work differently I guess.
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Nah its just a standard narcissist brain. Ollie tells himself he's the best looking person in any room ever, he's the best, other people's opinions, views and feelings doesn't really register beyond how it can be useful to him. Hence why awful pictures of him get uploaded by him he can't imagine other people not being as attracted to him as he is to himself. Anyone who does is just a deranged bigot whose lying to themselves and can be safely ignored
 
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How the fuck does he do all that exercise and still have a gut? Is it black market estrogen fuckery?
God, would all troons please put their gross man bellies away. You are not a 16 year old girl. You are a 30 plus year old man. Women you age don't really with the crop tops any more. Especially not just in daily, causal, often winter wear.

Lmao that gilet is a sight. You could.... probably pay me £145 to wear it. Each time I wore it would be a seperate whole payment though.
 
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How the fuck does he do all that exercise and still have a gut? Is it black market estrogen fuckery?
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I think it's also just an effect of trying to squeeze into clothing made for women while being built like a fridge. Those clothes are meant to accentuate women's shape and frame, not a hulking ogre's. If Olly dressed normally, nobody would think he had a "gut".
 
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The healthcare essay/spleen venting makes me sick. The folk memory of access to healthcare relying on employee welfare funds themselves reliant on the main family breadwinner being employed, or on the communal generosity of ones immediate community, and the absolute terror of a family member getting seriously ill when out of work during the 20s and 30s never left the people who lived through it. It's why (or at least a very important reason) the NHS alone of all the leaking public sector behemoths was left untouched by Thatcher. The public would never stand for its dismantlement. The badgering of the doctor , has the opposite of the intended effect. Not "right on girls, tear it down to get the reform you want" but rather "These people do not deserve an NHS" Which, given that serious discussions about the inevitable cutting and rationing of services coming to the NHS in the next ten years whoever is in power are starting to pick up pace , is not a conclusion he should want to make it easier for people to reach. The tantrum toned advice of "fuck the NHS the community can pick up the medical slack while we tear it down" is particularly stupid and will cause more not less distress. Like telling someone to get a backroom abortion rather than bring an id to the clinic with the professional.

It's been said before that Olly fumbles his way through his quest for fame missing obvious open goals for notoriety at a realistic or appropriate level for an expensively educated youtuber while holding out for a more direct path to a future oscar nomination but turning down a partners role, no matter how peripheral, with the NHS to have input directly on the thing he wants reforming is particularly stupid. That call will not come again from anyone else.
The upper class privilege (for want of a better term) seeps through throughout. You have to be very used to getting what you want, and thats a preserve of the posh - to shit on the clinician reaching out in this situation is like that .
It takes real skill to have a rant about having difficulty accessing health care services where you sound like an asshole but there you go.
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@JockMcGrotty

Cant reply or quote to you for whatever reason but the salient point of your very true post is the second line.
The folk memory.
Olly is a generationally wealthy rich fuck. He can never understand. It's apparently in his epigentic data to be a peice of shit.

Then again his parents are doctors. Maybe the evil is all his very own personal blend.
He's a real, real piece of shit though.

I do wonder at his mental state and think does he have even an inkling of how wrong he is and he just doesn't want to lose face, does he notice the tide turning, is there any objective part of him that has doubts and knows his blustery is just his cynically trying to be top trump troon?
Maciavellian as that is, I would prefer it as it would at least make sense.

He's skating on thin ice with that letter. He knows he influences insane people. He knows how many idiots trooned out because of him.
He flatly, openly uses the Luigi deny depose quote. It's like he's deliberately, and incredibly blatantly, trying to wind up an insane troon to try to kill some NHS higher up. Someone like that Scottish Green party troon Sophie Molly, someone similarly desperate and unstable.

It's so blatantly written in that paper I'm genuinely suprised noone else has mentioned it, or he even dared.
It's also so vile and bitter.
 
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Finally read Ollies little essay. Very telling he advocates tearing down the NHS, you know the vital national healthcare service people need day to day to live, with no idea about what to do in the interim while NHS staff are forced to face troon show trials. 'Tear it down it's not working for us' okay which parts are you tearing down? For how long? On what scale? Anyone removed puts strain on the rest of the system for not trans issues since its utterly interconnected by design. You're only going to tear down a national health servies if you're facing societal collapse and are forced to. People REALLY like having modern surgeries and medicine and do not want their access to these things removed so men and young boys can more easily be castarted and have rotting axe wounds installed or be put on puberty blockers so their organs are stunted all their lives. Its such a childish and unrealistic solution. Actual social rights movements have coherent plans to get their rights that do not deprive fundemental rights and freedoms from everyone else.
 
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narcissistic injury said:
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Guys lookin like projared here in a way similar but not identical to some random 4 viewer livestream guy a friend and me found a few years back but without the innocent internet shitlord humor that spawned from that and more actual projared typenightmares
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Although I did find this picture of him and Elsa while double checking, which is horrible.
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Got that waluigi hunch and lanky height about em, Waluigi forgive me.
 
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Although I did find this picture of him and Elsa while double checking, which is horrible.
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A long time ago this massive tranny posted a photo of himself with a Snow White impersonator. I haven’t seen this picture in years, but seeing Olly with Elsa made me remember it again. I tried looking for it here and through a search engine, but to no avail.

Basically, it was this lanky white guy with a Jimmy-Saville-type haircut… except he was balding in such a way that he resembled a tonsured monk, and what little brown hair he did have was stretched thinly straight down. I think he said something about it being a work function… like the party princess was brought it to entertain employees and their kids at a luncheon, or something to the effect.

Anyway, the parts that reminded me of Olly were both the blocking and size differential. In both of these photos, the real woman is on the left, and the man on the right. In both, the man is crouching so that his femur and tibia form a little V-shape - he does this to compensate for his size, which is around or over 6’ft.

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It’s like poetry, so that they rhyme. Each tranny rhymes with the last. First as tragedy and then as farce. I think a dude that Oliver never read said that once.
And now I can’t find that fucking meme where George Lucas’s face is superimposed onto a pottery vase. I’m going insane.

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Dude, he literally looks identical to how he did back when he filmed this shit. Seriously, here’s some screenshots and there’s no fucking difference:
In that neither work in reality.
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As a point of reference, this was before Oliver “came out” as a woman. He may have been taking estrogen, I’m fuzzy on the timeline with respect to his use of medication, but this was before “Abigail” was on YouTube. The screenshots above are from the video Who’s Afraid of the Experts (featuring some annoying idiot, who, like John Oliver, is shovelled into people’s faces by their annoying family members). That video came out in August 2020. Oliver came out in January 2021. It’s been close to five fucking years and Oliver looks the exact same. He changed his name and LARPs full-time as a woman and he looks the same!
 
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Aquire Aquarius said:
He may have been taking estrogen, I’m fuzzy on the timeline with respect to his use of medication, but this was before “Abigail” was on YouTube.
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He was almost certainly on HRT at this stage -- I believe he mentioned in his original coming out video that he'd been transitioning in private for a year or so. If you listen to him here and compare it to his pre-2020 work (random sample) you can hear the beginnings of the faux-womanvoice.

Not that it's done anything for him. He looks just as female now as he did when he first lost the beard.
 
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