Cultcow Russell Greer / @ just_some_dude_named_russell29 / A Safer Nevada PAC - Swift-Obsessed Sex Pest, Convicted of E-Stalking, "Eggshell Skull Plaintiff" Pro Se Litigant, Homeless, aspiring brothel owner

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If you were Taylor Swift, whom would you rather date?

  • Russell Greer

    Votes: 117 4.5%
  • Travis Kelce

    Votes: 138 5.3%
  • Null

    Votes: 1,449 55.9%
  • Kanye West

    Votes: 283 10.9%
  • Ariana Grande

    Votes: 607 23.4%

  • Total voters
    2,594
I think this TRO shit, really proves Rusty is really upset and really starting to panic about his lolsuit. I can see him thinking "if I say he's scary and mean he can't come to court and I win by default".

Total peak lawyer move, Better call Saul has nothing on Russel "the face" Greer. What an desperate move. By that I also mean weasel shit.
 
I think this TRO shit, really proves Rusty is really upset and really starting to panic about his lolsuit. I can see him thinking "if I say he's scary and mean he can't come to court and I win by default".

Total peak lawyer move, Better call Saul has nothing on Russel "the face" Greer. What an desperate move. By that I also mean weasel shit.
Why would TRO indicate anything? It happened in 2018
 
Okay, you say that they were polite and reasonable dealing with a lawyer, so they were super parents. Russel Greer exists, and they raised him, so I think they weren't exactly stellar parents. I never said they were shitty or had nefarious intentions or anything. I plainly said I'm positive they had good intentions. But they made mistakes.

I'm at a loss how anyone can think the people who raised someone have zero culpability when said person "has been raised."

I present Russel Greer's very existence and thread as evidence of the monster they had a hand in creating. You present an anecdote about them having to politely tard wrangle their son, I'm sure NOT for the first time. A son who is NOT retarded, but was treated as if he were.

I see your point. I'm totally unreasonable here.
All parents make mistakes. That's part of the process. You make mistakes on your first, second, third, etc.

Just as a child should not be held accountable for the behavior of their parents, why are you holding his parents accountable for the behavior of their adult son? Some people just get wired wrong, and we're not always sure why. Did he get a lot of pity points for the gimp face? Absolutely, no argument, but his parents also pushed him to find himself, do the mission, get a job, set out on his own. That's not coddling, that's parenting. The fact that he is clearly cut off from his family also shows that he has been completely alienated from his family for his actions, which is also proof that they are not coddlers. Did they love him and molly coddle him in his youth? Very likely, he has a deformity that he cannot hide, and he also has some sort of learning disability, but I am open the argument that his personality disorders override his learned experience and impulse control which cause him to vomit some of the stupidest things ever put to words. He was likely always kind of stupid and it's hard not to baby that when you're a parent, but he was never isolated from people and I don't think his parents brainwashed him to think baby is owed greatness, only the meanies will try to stop you.

If you want to look at coddling, look at Bossmanjack. His parents are terminally addicted to enabling his bad behavior, to their own detriment.
 
All parents make mistakes. That's part of the process. You make mistakes on your first, second, third, etc.
While I somewhat agree with the idea you are posting, I have a shorter response.

Greer is a grown man. He is not a child. I have seen people with bad parents grow into great men and women. Greer is responsible for himself. His incompetencies are of his own making now.
 
While I somewhat agree with the idea you are posting, I have a shorter response.

Greer is a grown man. He is not a child. I have seen people with bad parents grow into great men and women. Greer is responsible for himself. His incompetencies are of his own making now.
I actually quite literally said that exact thing in the very next sentence.
 
Just as a child should not be held accountable for the behavior of their parents, why are you holding his parents accountable for the behavior of their adult son
I don't, I'm merely explaining shit how I see it. I never said they own his current mistakes or bear responsibility for his adult shitlipped shenanigans.

But his current mistakes are informed by his upbringing. I'm not saying they must answer to the court of JustSomeDong or Kiwifarms or Joseph Smith or even God. I'm saying their mistakes partially explain why he is what he is. I never advocated for them to be flogged, though I did advocate them flogging Russ.

Russ is an adult. A joke of adult, but an adult nonetheless. Hell, his parents biggest mistake is not ghosting his ass once he was one. But every single fucking adult was once a child, and parents absolutely aren't immune to scrutiny over their parenting just because they were nice to the lawyer.

If you want to look at coddling, look at Bossmanjack. His parents are terminally addicted to enabling his bad behavior, to their own detriment.
Theres a reason I used the term D-20 Die of Dysfunction, as there are many, many paths to it. Identifying and escaping them makes me wary of those who enable and excuse them. I'm aware of Bossman, but not interested. He's boring. Gamba, drugs, and domestic disturbances? Shit, I'm from Illinois. That dude lives on my block. He's not special, just because he streams his spectacle. We call that "community theater" around here, and once you've seen the live show, its just not that special. And I also advocate the same thing I advocated for with Rusty, here. Beatings. And even by that, I just mean discipline and personal accountability.

Russ is exceptional, make no mistake. Just no it the way his enablers told him he was. And soft-enabling is still enabling. It seems like people are over reading what I said.
 
The Face.
Templeton Peck doesn't deserve that.
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I know I'm late by a couple days and a bunch of regurgitated "nature versus nurture" sperging but this latest little revelation about Russ's early attempts to make a figurative federal case out of his thread really put the actual federal case into perspective. Sure, it was clearly nuts to try and misuse stalking statutes, but it took hours for a judge to see what he had and tell him no. Meanwhile in the copyright case, it's taken years and multiple jurisdictions to get to a point where discovery is supposed to be happening- all the while Russ is pulling the same brand of litigious bullshit.
 
If you think only downs syndrome makes retards, you’re a fucking retard.

Syndromes aren’t usually just a one and done thing as well, when people have something wrong with them on a fundamental level, there are often other things wrong with them as well. He’s proven time and time again he is not normal, his brain doesn’t work the way other people’s brains do, and you can’t simply out-parent that.

Children aren’t a blank slate and if you knew even the slightest bit about them, you’d know that.
(From yesterday but since the discussion is still going on -)

A lot of that can be true. But just because it can be does not mean it always is, or always in the same formulation.

Russell has a couple of problems, physical and otherwise. And yes, his brain does not work like most people. However, the way his is different is not uncorrectable, crippling deficiency of intellect; he is able to write basic motions and memos. He can formulate an argument (even if he does so by lying and with disingenuousness). True, he has zero sense of probity or how to use evidence (or what something shows...at all), and ofc there are errors and procedural lapses. But many of those errors are deliberate or out of obduracy, not a truly compromised intellect.

No, his brain works differently mostly because he has a personality disorder and because he lacks - chooses to lack - quality of character. He's a low-IQ narcissist. And narcs know they are "different"; through their lens this makes them exceptional and entitled. For them, it is their divine gift - a gift from God to the gift from God.

They could be better people, and they know that. They don't value being better people, except to the extent they are cornered by accountability for being bad people...and then you will see your crocodile tears. But they do not value character in itself. It is a choice: they know other people do things differently, and they are capable of it themselves, but they choose not to, plain and simple.

For Russell, bumbling around, causing his own plights, and being indulged for it is his expectation, his just due from the world. That's his response to his beliefs about himself that he is in a uniquely disadvantaged position through no fault of his own. He believes he should be held responsible for none of his choices because of the bad things always happening to him - all of which are due to externally-imposed plights rather than his actions, and if they are due to his own behavior it's justified in his case. Thus he can express outrage at Hardin's request for an extension and call it an unconscionable effort to drag out litigation and a specific effort against him personally...despite having done precisely that over and over and over, and having stated his desire is to bankrupt Josh. He has no scruples.

He can't help the Moebius or other physical problems. But he certainly could have a different approach to life. But no; if he can't win, he'll cause harm. He is convinced he is right, if people would just listen to him, and someone needs to make people listen to him. So, he stalks, he pressures, he wheedles, he nags, he threatens, he blusters, he boasts, he complains, he sues, he hides things, he recasts reality, he pleads ignorance and forgetfulness and victim, he lies and lies and lies ...all while continuing to behave in exactly the ways that are the root of why he is repellant. But it's not that he doesn't understand any of this, though he may deny it; he reads here, at least, and it's constantly analyzed and repeated. But he learns nothing, because he doesn't want to.

He chooses to be absolutely unreasonable at every turn - but he is not incapable of being reasonable; he just likes being an asshole. He thinks this works, although I'd love to see him show one time ever that it did.

He's fixated on people and situations that won't let him be great, whether real or strawmen. But being sulky is not something he can't help. He could, but he feels entitled to have or take what others have that he does not.

Entitlement is an underdeveloped moral state and a failure to develop a healthy sense of self, of the world, and of self in the world.
He could develop his character if he wanted to. He doesn't want to. Being blind to or refusing to accept your flat sides isn't incapability; it's unwillingness. If that's "broken," he's a guy surrounded by splints and bandages and advil for the pain, but he'd rather yell about why no one gave him plaster of Paris, an orthopedic surgeon, and med school training.

He's 30-something years old. He's not incapable of fixing his perspective; he wasn't just born helplessly awful. And whether his parents did anything to encourage this lack of character or sense of entitlement is irrelevant. He's a grown man and fully capable of changing his views and straightening up and acting right. He's capable of recognizing he does not have marketable talent, and that having hobbies - as hobbies - is fine. He is capable of realizing when he is blindly self-centering, and when his argument is wrong, and when he is being mean-spirited and displacing his own frustrations and hurt feelings on whoever doesn't do what he wants them to do. He can see that life isn't properly about getting revenge for not having what he wants. And he's long past any plausibly colorable excuse of blaming his bio or adopted parents, or anything else but himself.

Very very occasionally a narc will get so hit by consequences that though they will always see things as they do, they choose to accept that they are wrong in their natural tendencies and accept doing something or some things different. In that rare case, they don't actually change, but they agree to artificially act like a human. They don't change internally, but their impact on others does. They'll never be fully human but at least they're caged.

You'd think winding up sleeping in a rented car and having zero people in the world who want anything to do with you, whether as family, friend, employer, associate, or otherwise, might be a wake-up call. It's not. And that's a choice, too.

I'm sure his family openly encouraged him to become a lawyer
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If you were his parent, would you really think that was a productive idea to push? I know I just said he's not a moron, but he would be a terrible lawyer even if he learned mechanics and legal concepts. He is so disagreeable and so inflexible (bc he thinks that's a flex or how you should be) that he'd get fired every time and probably disbarred.

This is horrible, petty and I assume also actual libel (not the pretend libel Russ sues people for,) but my biggest takeaway is...do people actually read reviews before hiring a lady of the night?
I would expect brothels get business based on reviews like any other business...tbh seems like reviews would be even more important there than at the gas station convenience store.. But accusations of STDs at a brothel is very specifically potentially injurious, for obvious reasons.

And that's why he does it, and why that kind of thing - which is a hallmark of Russ's pathway through life - is representative of his character. Iirc he's written a bad review for a random hair salon [?] because some employee turned down his attentions or otherwise didn't behave as he thought she should. Again: Russ feels entitled to try to exact revenge in very nasty ways. He does not observe proportionality or cause & effect, and to him his hurt feelings are objectively more important than another person's literal livelihood. No matter who they are or if they even know or interact with him. He's a man of low character.

Russ is exceptional, make no mistake. Just no it the way his enablers told him he was. And soft-enabling is still enabling. It seems like people are over reading what I said.
Look, what do you think would have made him not a selfish, petulant, disagreeable, narcissistic cunt?

Parents saying, stop blaming everyone; you have a disability, but that doesn't define you? Be a good man, be honorable, think about others, stop being consumed by envy and defining yourself as a victim? Life is what you make it, and no one "owes" you anything for the body you got or that your parents gave up up for adoption? Focus on what you have, not what you haven't? There is no guaranteed success, you have to make it, and part of making it is being a decent person? God gave you free will, not the right to control the world, and he does not like whiners? No excuses? Every child is special, not just you, and being special does not mean you get to be an asshole? Stop fucking lying all the time?

I'd bet a dollar he's heard all that, and he rejects it all. It's a choice.

Also - "enabling" was not a widespread lay-familiar concept 35 years ago. And love of a person, especially a child and before the true awful colors fully show themselves, puts a loved one/ parent in a terrible dilemma. Even if they see the child is difficult early on. If they loved him too much or thought he would eventually sort out, that doesn't mean they were negligent or wrong. And it doesn't mean his shit personality is on them. Outsider hindsight is easy, but lacks information and full context. But aside from the fact it's total speculation what they did or didn't do as he was growing up, they're not even contributorily at fault for who and how Russ chooses to be today.
 
Look, what do you think would have made him not a selfish, petulant, disagreeable, narcissistic cunt?
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You can't pull on just a few threads of the tapestry that is Russel Greer and see the whole picture. I never said I know what to do. I don't, and I pray I never had to find out. This is just autistic nitpicking to me.

But not teaching him to cope with reality, and not telling him no, telling him he can be a superstar, if he only he trooly bewieves in hisself and tries sooperdooper hard? I'm definitely not going to try that parenting style. Its been done, and the results are here for us to enjoy.
Also - "enabling" was not a widespread lay-familiar concept 35 years ago.
You know what was at least a bit more of a widespread lay-familiar concept back 25 years ago? Disciplining your children.
 
If you want to look at coddling, look at Bossmanjack. His parents are terminally addicted to enabling his bad behavior, to their own detriment.
It doesn't strike me as fair to single out Russhole's parents, unlike someone like BMJ where we can point to specific bullshit they've endlessly enabled, or Chris-Chan's, where there are very specific terrible choices that are documented to have been made by them, and where the fact both of them were alienated from practically everyone in both their families indicates some serious problems. This is even for Bob, who is probably the most sympathetic of the personalities involved.

The worst we know of Russ's parents is that they probably did enable to some extent, because they had a troubled tard child with a deformity, and even seemed to continue some of this into adulthood, although they laid down some limits like making his adoptive sister's marriage a no-plights-zone causing him to chimp out. Then they apparently paid for his lawyer to keep him at least out of jail, and it's hard to fault that, even though arguably it was well past the need for tough love phase at that point.

Seriously, though, it was society itself that treated him as "God's Favorite Retard" and let him get away with shit that should never have flown post-Columbine.
 
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OK, so do you know that's what they did?

That aside, parents should of course encourage their children to aim high, be brave, and work hard for what they want, and that their parents will support them in their efforts. Telling a child that they "can do anything they want to do if they work hard enough" is not a literal "yes, you 3' tall 850 lb 7 year-old child, you can walk the runway for Chanel tomorrow, and that is your right so we'll sue if they don't let you."

Literally no one says or means that, and I highly doubt Russ's parents did.

Further, as children develop, the encouragement direction takes shape. If they fail all their classes, no parent is telling them that MIT on a merit scholarship is the least they should expect. But they might say, "don't give up; you aren't a hopeless loser and life is not over. I believe you can succeed.". That's good parenting. And a normal kid might be heartened and then work hard to bring up their average, go to community college while working and then transfer in to a 4-year or get a job that they value and work hard at, etc. A narcissistic rager, on the other hand, is going to say fuck you mom and dad, the game is rigged against people of average intelligence, so my senior year I'm going to stalk a classmate and get arrested and it will be all your and her fault. The bad outcome does not mean the parents parented poorly.

As for parenting choices, encouragement is important. It provides a sense of security and helps to develop the self. It's a key part of parenting, and not synonymous with instilling a ridiculous sense of entitlement.

Never encouraging your children to develop confidence, dare to stretch, have a diligent work ethic in pursuit of goals, and not let a challenge (physical issue or other) dissuade them from doing those things is a great way to wind up with fucked-up, low-achieving, resentful children. Prisons are full of them.

But no child by 30 has the excuse of whatever faulty or misinterpreted messages they might have received to justify being an overall crud of a person.
 
Seriously, though, it was society itself that treated him as "God's Favorite Retard" and let him get away with shit that should never have flown post-Columbine.
Hard to argue with that one when the fucking legal system is distorting reality in their attempts to litigate this wretch's case for him when there is no case to litigate, no remedy, no evidence, openly declared its just to bankrupt null, and so on.

I don't know why the guy is on a crusade to foist Russ' shortcomings as a human on his parents when I think it was a case of did the best they could with the tools they had, you can't outparent rampant mental illness, particularly when the tard refuses to acknowledge he has one and seek help for it.
 
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