Avowed - Obsidian's new game, like Pillars of Eternity meets Elder Scrolls

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

Outer Worlds should have been a lot more dark and gory then the satire about how bleak a corporate dystopia would be might have worked.

Instead everything is really bright and cartoony with Borderlands humor because they wanted the reddit audience.

youre right. the most annoying shit is the bathos, if everyone reacted like humans instead of being so jokey it would have gotten the message across more, even if there wasn't too many jokes and the "reddit" shit is slightly overblown a combo of better looking or at least non-queer coded women and changing that one guy so he doesn't look like Rich Sanchez and they made it a lot less colorful and it would have worked.

like if Brazil was in space.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

Outer Worlds should have been a lot more dark and gory then the satire about how bleak a corporate dystopia would be might have worked.

Just making Fallout in space will not fix anything.
The story is shit, coloring it with turds will not improve it. And the even bigger problem is that the characters are all annoying faggots that are so pitiful you can't even waste your time hating them. So you can never even make your own story as they aren't fit to be present in a story.
Also just making it bleaker will not fix the gameplay either.
The only fix is to have real writers and designers that aren't terrible.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Outer Worlds should have been a lot more dark and gory then the satire about how bleak a corporate dystopia would be might have worked.

Instead everything is really bright and cartoony with Borderlands humor because they wanted the reddit audience.

Reddit Edgy is the term. You can have a lot of elements that are disturbing on their own but you never give them enough to develop or weight to actually reach any catharsis. Like you can have fictional racism, but it's always cartoonishly wrongly applied and shallow that it doesn't reach the level of a person saying Nigger.

 

[Tanner Glass]

It's wild that Avowed looks so bad and Obsidian has been so bad for so long that people are speaking positively of Outer Worlds - a game that I felt was one of the most generic and terrible games to release in the last decade.

It felt like an unfinished fan project or a very early beta of a game that leaked instead and was a major step back in many ways in the genre.

 

[Deus Exica]

Instead everything is really bright and cartoony with Borderlands humor because they wanted the reddit audience.

This was my problem with it from the very start. That first trailer was incredibly embarrassing right off the jump. I cannot get invested in a setting when the people living in it are constantly winking at me. I don't know if they were afraid that going too dark would make the game too depressing or what, but I miss when humor was layered into the world naturally, rather than being the insufferable millennial writing quirk of being a sassy eyeroll at how stupid everything you are subjecting me to is.

felt like an unfinished fan project or a very early beta of a game that leaked instead and was a major step back in many ways in the genre.

The game was a very transparent 'first draft' for whatever Fallout-like Obsidian was supposed to make after it. But I doubt the sequel is really going to be any better seeing how after almost a decade of development Obsidian couldn't even shit out a game on par with fucking Skyrim in terms of content.

 

[Jace on ice]

This was my problem with it from the very start. That first trailer was incredibly embarrassing right off the jump. I cannot get invested in a setting when the people living in it are constantly winking at me. I don't know if they were afraid that going too dark would make the game too depressing or what, but I miss when humor was layered into the world naturally, rather than being the insufferable millennial writing quirk of being a sassy eyeroll at how stupid everything you are subjecting me to is.

The game was a very transparent 'first draft' for whatever Fallout-like Obsidian was supposed to make after it. But I doubt the sequel is really going to be any better seeing how after almost a decade of development Obsidian couldn't even shit out a game on par with fucking Skyrim in terms of content.

I remember playing Outer Worlds for the first time and the first ten minutes went like this.

Intro cutscene
Character creation
Me realizing there's no skin tone options lighter than Mexican
Me realizing my female PC can't have hair longer than a buzz cut
Rick Sanchez showing up and going "wubba dub dub dub!"

Me staring blankly into space wondering why I'm not playing Fallout New Vegas instead.

 

[Jhonson the Two]

I hope they won't butcher too much previous characters, they already did dirty to Concelhaut in PoE II .
I know they will, who I am kidding

 

[Ser Prize]

Outer Worlds missed the mark completely in making a black comedy corporate hellscape. It'd hit harder if you had stuff like copyrighted DNA, the vast majority of human knowledge lost because of NDAs and shit like that.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Reddit Edgy is the term. You can have a lot of elements that are disturbing on their own but you never give them enough to develop or weight to actually reach any catharsis. Like you can have fictional racism, but it's always cartoonishly wrongly applied and shallow that it doesn't reach the level of a person saying Nigger.

That is precisely it, "Reddit Edgy" describes modern Obsidian and most of millenial writers perfectly. This is the level below modern day 4chan and zoomer humor, ie "Safe Edgy", the kind that doesn't go all the way and self-censors itself while going after safe topics/low hanging fruit as to not get un-personed by social media or left wing mobs. I'm not sure if this is the main problem with writing in media in general these days, but it's a big problem regardless.

This was my problem with it from the very start. That first trailer was incredibly embarrassing right off the jump. I cannot get invested in a setting when the people living in it are constantly winking at me. I don't know if they were afraid that going too dark would make the game too depressing or what, but I miss when humor was layered into the world naturally, rather than being the insufferable millennial writing quirk of being a sassy eyeroll at how stupid everything you are subjecting me to is.

Yup, the game was originally going to be much darker in tone, but after a while it was deemed to be too depressing so they added in humor. Basically, what Obsidian did with Old World Blues but on a scale of the entire game.
Then, they backpedaled and went back to a more dark and grounded experience with Peril on Gorgon and that's the best piece of content this entire game has. They should have stuck with the original drafts. Hell, what remains in the game files already suggests some more interesting ideas than what we were shown, such as destruction of any national identity for all immigrants to Halcyon system that was instituted from the very start, something that never gets mentioned in the final game(and explains why everyone is a mystery meat mutt without any sense of pride or culture).

 

[Tanner Glass]

Yup, the game was originally going to be much darker in tone, but after a while it was deemed to be too depressing so they added in humor. Basically, what Obsidian did with Old World Blues but on a scale of the entire game.
Then, they backpedaled and went back to a more dark and grounded experience with Peril on Gorgon and that's the best piece of content this entire game has. They should have stuck with the original drafts. Hell, what remains in the game files already suggests some more interesting ideas than what we were shown, such as destruction of any national identity for all immigrants to Halcyon system that was instituted from the very start, something that never gets mentioned in the final game(and explains why everyone is a mystery meat mutt without any sense of pride or culture).

This has been their MO forever, though. Most of the really interesting Fallout : NV lore is just from Josh Sawyer's social media instead of in game because they're so afraid of backlash.

Every Obsidian game for ~20 years has been "Man how cool would it be if we got what I think they could have made instead of what they actually made".

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

what remains in the game files already suggests some more interesting ideas than what we were shown, such as destruction of any national identity for all immigrants to Halcyon system

again could you just make a thread about this stuff because you're the only person i know that knows about this stuff.

Most of the really interesting Fallout : NV lore is just from Josh Sawyer's social media instead of in game because they're so afraid of backlash.

like what?

 

[Tanner Glass]

like what?

The Legion was supposed to be a much larger portion of the game. There were several scrapped Legion areas, a scrapped Legion companion, and a fair bit more lore that painted the Legion in a sympathetic light.

Things like the Legion treating women like breeding stock because it's the only way the Legion has to raise an army (they have no territories to conscript from like the NCR) and the goofy Legion motif being a result of the tribes not being able to manufacture advanced weapons (repeating rifles, heavy armor) like the other factions can. A lot of it got cut and the Legion is just kind of the default "bad guy" faction.

 

[Jace on ice]

Things like the Legion treating women like breeding stock because it's the only way the Legion has to raise an army (they have no territories to conscript from like the NCNCR.

They literally do though. Lanius himself is a member of a conquered tribe that the Legion assimilated into their own army (the twisted hairs)

That's literally the plot of Honest Hearts, the Legion is trying to assimilate the White Legs into the Legion proper.

The Great Khans are absorbed into the Legion in one of the Legion endings.

The Omertas and White Glove Society are both formally allied with Ceasar's Legion.

The Legion grows by absorbing conquered tribes just like the real life Roman Empire did.

 

[LovisXVI]

Things like the Legion treating women like breeding stock because it's the only way the Legion has to raise an army (they have no territories to conscript from like the NCR)

Eh not really accurate, they do have territories that they govern and manage, but they are totally subjugated regions, with little in the way of rights or participation in the system of governance. They don't serve in the army but supply the resources to fuel it. That's kind of the problem and reason Eddy Sallow wants to conquer the NCR, he wants to start forging a real citizen class so he can make his state a more meaningful entity.

 

[TrainWreckWatcher]

You know a game is going to do well when all the talk around it a few months before release is about a game that came out 15 years prior by the company and how they're no longer what they used to be.

 

[Maude Snew]

You know a game is going to do well when all the talk around it a few months before release is about a game that came out 15 years prior by the company and how they're no longer what they used to be.

I keep forgetting this even exists when I close the tab until I see the thread updated again.

 

[Abbadon's Gate]

I remember playing Outer Worlds for the first time and the first ten minutes went like this.

I did not play Outer Worlds because I assumed it was popular because its in fashion to shit on Bethesda and suckle Obsidian's cock and assumed that there would be no substance to the game.

My wife however, did play the Outer Worlds and said she was turned off by the amount of companions that were all manly women and that it was completely void of any romance or relationship stuff in her RPG.

I have always viewed it as a game that really knows how to appeal to a female audience by removing things female gamers actually care about. You can't be sexy. There's no romance, and the story is written like shit.

 

[Miller]

I did not play Outer Worlds because I assumed it was popular because its in fashion to shit on Bethesda and suckle Obsidian's cock and assumed that there would be no substance to the game.

That's pretty much what happened. I remember people comparing TOW to Starfield, saying that Bethesda should learn from Obsidian. TOW - despite being on UE4 - has loading screens everywhere, it's designed like a Bethesda game running on the Creative Engine.

My wife however, did play the Outer Worlds and said she was turned off by the amount of companions that were all manly women and that it was completely void of any romance or relationship stuff in her RPG.

I have always viewed it as a game that really knows how to appeal to a female audience by removing things female gamers actually care about. You can't be sexy. There's no romance, and the story is written like shit.

and if there's a romance, it's about one of your companions. You have to watch like a cuck as the autistic girl goes on a date with a female engineer.

 

[Jace on ice]

and if there's a romance, it's about one of your companions. You have to watch like a cuck as the autistic girl goes on a date with a female enengineer.

It's actually worse than that it's two autistic asexual lesbians flirting with each other.

It's like the Taash non buynary scene but many years before that game existed.

 

[Tsukasa Kadoya]

What the fuck have they been doing for 5 years if this is the best they can manage?

Wait, no, don't answer that, it's a rhetorical question, I know the reason why. They just keep hiring women, fags and minorities that require ten times the numbers, time and effort to accomplish what a single White or East Asian straight man can do in a fraction of the time, and the end result is still dogshit.

And yet retards will still demand Bethesda hand over fallout to Obsidian.
I'd rather have lazy slop than short, content starved DEI slop. NV fans need to move on, Obsidian won't save you.