Argue about Pooners and metaphysical nature of rape

[DefCon Dumb]

The poor little excluded poorer in London… gives her actions away when discussing the terms of the written document with which she was presented.

Why would the other girls specifically include not touching their stuff or knocking before entering rooms unless it was an issue?

The fact that not one other girl seemed to want to hang around her and the fact that she was ‘aggressively excluded’ speaks to how purely awful she must be to be around.

 

[AfghanBlue]

The poor little excluded poorer in London… gives her actions away when discussing the terms of the written document with which she was presented.

Why would the other girls specifically include not touching their stuff or knocking before entering rooms unless it was an issue?

The fact that not one other girl seemed to want to hang around her and the fact that she was ‘aggressively excluded’ speaks to how purely awful she must be to be around.

I was thinking maybe she absolutely fucking stinks and had no idea or something.
But yeah the bits mentioning "confronting them" over this and that.. The fact that she turned up at the club at 3am when honestly they would have wanted to go home anyway rather than wait.
She seems much younger than the age it says, for sure. She sounds like an annoying kid.

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

3am

Yeah, she had a panic over accepting a drink from someone and was afraid of being drugged or something. At 3 am at the gay club chances are high that someone was just trying to be friendly with another loser than having been waiting for just the right mexican overwheight pooner to walk for them to drug and rape.
I'm not telling anyone to let their guard down too much, but always playing everything safe and never taking risk while playing true crime scenarios in ypur head is a ticket to a boring life.

I had a few of the best nights of my life alone in London alone, and I was 16 at the time. And gay clubs were easier to get into, because for real clubs you need to look heterosexually fuckable, which you are not as a male at 16. But this was in the innocen 90's.

 

[Peaches Demure]

Yeah, she had a panic over accepting a drink from someone and was afraid of being drugged or something. At 3 am at the gay club chances are high that someone was just trying to be friendly with another loser than having been waiting for just the right mexican overwheight pooner to walk for them to drug and rape.
I'm not telling anyone to let their guard down too much, but always playing everything safe and never taking risk while playing true crime scenarios in ypur head is a ticket to a boring life.

I had a few of the best nights of my life alone in London alone, and I was 16 at the time. And gay clubs were easier to get into, because for real clubs you need to look heterosexually fuckable, which you are not as a male at 16. But this was in the innocen 90's.

...yeah, I can tell you're a man if you think that's an "acceptable" level of risk-taking. It's not for a woman, not anywhere. You don't leave your drink unattended, and you don't accept a drink from someone unless you could see it prepared and what went into it. This is very basic stuff, and I'm glad this infantile little pooner at least has enough of a self-preservation instinct to be wary of this happening.

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

...yeah, I can tell you're a man if you think that's an "acceptable" level of risk-taking. It's not for a woman, not anywhere. You don't leave your drink unattended, and you don't accept a drink from someone unless you could see it prepared and what went into it. This is very basic stuff, and I'm glad this infantile little pooner at least has enough of a self-preservation instinct to be wary of this happening.

Oh, I have been drugged and woken up almost naked and robbed of all my belongings. Still, a life without risk is no life. And we were talking about London, it's not Stockholm or some other high-risk European city, and a fat pooner, not on the top of the list of any rapist.

 

[Peaches Demure]

Oh, I have been drugged and woken up almost naked and robbed of all my belongings. Still, a life without risk is no life. And we were talking about London, it's not Stockholm or some other high-risk European city, and a fat pooner, not on the top of the list of any rapist.

Do you realize who are "on the top list of any rapist"? Vulnerable, isolated people who visibly don't have a good grasp on their surroundings.

 

[Hubelublub]

Do you realize who are "on the top list of any rapist"? Vulnerable, isolated people who visibly don't have a good grasp on their surroundings.

And retards.

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

Do you realize who are "on the top list of any rapist"? Vulnerable, isolated people who visibly don't have a good grasp on their surroundings.

And that is why I advocate for having a grasp on your surroundings? And going out in order to get some experience in order to develop that skill. The best way to independence can't be avoiding all risks at any cost.

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

It's cause the ladies get guys to pay more. Not always the case for a guy in these jobs even if he's super cute and charming. I've never heard of different age limits for men. I guess maybe it goes back to money. Young guys are usually broke and these businesses want spenders.

Yes. And staff that won't make demands.
The (open) different age limits were killed off because of lawfare and equality. In practice it just tightened face control.

 

[Syikeblade]

...yeah, I can tell you're a man if you think that's an "acceptable" level of risk-taking. It's not for a woman, not anywhere. You don't leave your drink unattended, and you don't accept a drink from someone unless you could see it prepared and what went into it. This is very basic stuff, and I'm glad this infantile little pooner at least has enough of a self-preservation instinct to be wary of this happening.

Has nothing to do with being a man, just foolish.

 

[Peaches Demure]

And that is why I advocate for having a grasp on your surroundings? And going out in order to get some experience in order to develop that skill. The best way to independence can't be avoiding all risks at any cost.

Sure, but you don't BEGIN that development in a gay bar in a foreign country by yourself in the middle of the night. Similarly your first mountain to climb should not be Mt. Everest.

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

Sure, but you don't BEGIN that development in a gay bar in a foreign country by yourself in the middle of the night. Similarly your first mountain to climb should not be Mt. Everest.

My original point was that there are few safer places for a fat pooner than a gay bar at that time, when most have already paired up or left. There might be people interested in making friends because at least she is part of the "queer community", or at least more so than in a regular night club, where there might be people still interested in her as a woman.

 

[Peaches Demure]

My original point was that there are few safer places for a fat pooner than a gay bar at that time, when most have already paired up or left. There might be people interested in making friends because at least she is part of the "queer community", or at least more so than in a regular night club, where there might be people still interested in her as a woman.

Did you read the other posts about her? She's a virgin, never even kissed anyone before, and she was asking about using a hook-up app (was it Grindr?) to find someone to "share her first kiss with" or some shit. Whilst in London. She's either actually retarded or at least heavily autistic (would explain her social shortcomings) but we can be sure she does not possess the street smarts to keep herself safe doing the shit she's trying to accomplish. My point was that even a woman who can generally handle herself still has to watch it in situations like this one. This pooner doesn't have a clue.

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

Did you read the other posts about her? She's a virgin, never even kissed anyone before, and she was asking about using a hook-up app (was it Grindr?) to find someone to "share her first kiss with" or some shit. Whilst in London. She's either actually retarded or at least heavily autistic (would explain her social shortcomings) but we can be sure she does not possess the street smarts to keep herself safe doing the shit she's trying to accomplish. My point was that even a woman who can generally handle herself still has to watch it in situations like this one. This pooner doesn't have a clue.

Well OK, you have a point there in that she is retarded. And me being able to navigate the London gay bar scene as an underage twink might have had something to do with the fact that I was used to be on my own and alone among adults from the age of 12.
The problem seems to be that a whole generation has not grown up and become adults normally.
Then the question arises, when should they do it? She would be just as lost as 35, do we need a generation that are functionally children all their lives? I wanted to get away from daddy government at 14, but these people need him all their lives?
We need people to either become independent, or a totalitarian system to protect us from anything bad.

 

[Peaches Demure]

Well OK, you have a point there in that she is retarded. And me being able to navigate the London gay bar scene as an underage twink might have had something to do with the fact that I was used to be on my own and alone among adults from the age of 12.
The problem seems to be that a whole generation has not grown up and become adults normally.
Then the question arises, when should they do it? She would be just as lost as 35, do we need a generation that are functionally children all their lives? I wanted to get away from daddy government at 14, but these people need him all their lives?
We need people to either become independent, or a totalitarian system to protect us from anything bad.

For this type of person, there is no solution. She's socially unpalatable and her peers have clearly rejected her, and thus she's missed so much of the natural learning that makes up "peer-on-peer socialization". This is generally more harsh for girls, and I can see her adopting poonerism as a way to escape this. She's 23 and has the emotional maturity of a 13-year-old (at best). There is a huge problem with autists from this generation; they were raised with this "early intervention" crap that was supposed to help but gave them the idea that only their needs matter and they don't need to learn to play nice with other kids because they're "special".

Autist or not, what she wants is impossible. She can't navigate the gay bar scene as a gay man because she isn't one, and the only men who will want anything to do with her are going to be scumbag straight dudes who think an ugly fat girl who's obviously out of her depth is going to jump at the opportunity to deepthroat their dick because they gave said girl a compliment... or in the case of pooners, called her "dude".

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

and the only men who will want anything to do with her are going to be scumbag straight dudes who think an ugly fat girl who's obviously out of her depth is going to jump at the opportunity to deepthroat their dick because they gave said girl a compliment

I agree with everything you said, except the part I quoted.
There are nice, well meaning people even in the male, and even straight male community. I have had more people over at my place just sleeping it off, than I have had over for sexual purposes. If you find someone out of their depth and black out drunk, you take care of them and make them breakfast, not rape them. This happens a lot, no matter what the feminist tell you.

 

[Peaches Demure]

I agree with everything you said, except the part I quoted.
There are nice, well meaning people even in the male, and even straight male community. I have had more people over at my place just sleeping it off, than I have had over for sexual purposes. If you find someone out of their depth and black out drunk, you take care of them and make them breakfast, not rape them. This happens a lot, no matter what the feminist tell you.

OK let me ask you this instead: how many well-adjusted straight men do you figure will want to have anything to do with gross pooners with non-existent social skills? The majority of men in any given populations are not rapists (d'uh) and would not think to force themselves on a woman or even enter women's only space, but there are enough that do for society to have laws against such behavior.

You said yourself you've woken up naked with all your belongings gone, so clearly you have encountered a predatory individual at least once. You are also a man. The amount of men who would be sexually interested in you is 1 out of 20, on average. I assume you're not physically disabled or anything that would automatically put you at a disadvantage if it came to blows with another dude. This is not the reality for a woman, even if (and especially if) she identifies as a man. You don't have the same frame of reference as a woman who fears rape.

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

OK let me ask you this instead: how many well-adjusted straight men do you figure will want to have anything to do with gross pooners with non-existent social skills?

You said yourself you've woken up naked with all your belongings gone, so clearly you have encountered a predatory individual at least once.

You don't need to want to fuck a person to take care of them, or guide them the right way. The people that drugged and robbed me, were just friendly, they did not fuck me.
I am a mostly straight man, and if I had run into a pooner at 3am at a gay bar, she could totally sleep in my spare room without me having any interest in her hormone riddled snatch.
Most well adjusted straight men try to help people around them without any thought of getting something out of it. Yeah, predators exist, but most people are not like that. If you have a husband/boyfriend/son/male relative, do you think he would fuck/rape a helpless pooner if he had the chance all the time?

 

[Peaches Demure]

The people that drugged and robbed me, were just friendly, they did not fuck me.

 

[AfghanBlue]

You don't need to want to fuck a person to take care of them, or guide them the right way. The people that drugged and robbed me, were just friendly, they did not fuck me.
I am a mostly straight man, and if I had run into a pooner at 3am at a gay bar, she could totally sleep in my spare room without me having any interest in her hormone riddled snatch.
Most well adjusted straight men try to help people around them without any thought of getting something out of it. Yeah, predators exist, but most people are not like that. If you have a husband/boyfriend/son/male relative, do you think he would fuck/rape a helpless pooner if he had the chance all the time?

You're both right.
However.. It just comes down *entirely* to luck.

The thing is, this girl at 23 is already fucked because she should be way more mature and switched on already to the ways of the world, and if she hasn't learnt it now, she won't.
Her only hope is finding some lame, similarly unintelligent dude to be with forever.

We can also assume she absolutely fucking blows at acting/doing anything within the actual framework of school, and is probably deeply annoying, and people are probably trying to ice her out so they don't get lumbered with her in groups where... they have to act things out and they have one hugely distracting person in the troupe (I don't really know what goes on in dram a school tbf but I am using my imagination)
Or something yk?