Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Someone's been making sock accounts and negrating random people to abuse the rating notifications that got reintroduced. My guess is that a mod or Jersh himself has finally brought the hammer down on these socks

Hope so. I don't care about ratings but rating notifications are a good way to know which thread you posted in is active, so when every post gets a reaction like that by multiple people it defeats the purpose I use it for. The best thing about sticker notifications being back is it reminded me of a few threads I completely forgot to check in on for awhile.

And that's the thing. Because Viv is going down this more supposedly serious serialized route,

I remember when Doug Walker tried that, it worked out about the same for him.

Stella (and the other villains/antagonists for that matter) should be more complex than they are. Because it's ultimately boring. They start out with interesting concepts but instead of building up on them, they rather rush or skip them completely to the easiest and simplest of answers. Stella should have either been an antagonist that gets reformed, or a tragic villain.

You know, the sad thing is that if Vivz wanted to, she could probably take it in a more interesting serialized direction so that it didn't turn into another bland Rick and Morty style show, but she doesn't seem to know how to or her biggest sense of drama is two gay guys bickering. Every villain and every hero feels exactly the same from her, where I can't really tell the distinction between Adam or Mammon. The only good thing that came out of the Fiz episode was Glitz and Glam and that's only because they actually felt different to the boring slop we'd seen before that made up the episode otherwise.

 

[Dr. Butt]

Somehow no one's mentioned it yet, but the fake English accents for Stolas, Octavia, and Stella are very awkward and uncomfortable and painful to listen to. They're just so bad and weird. To me they all sound like the audio clips of John Gilbert that Karina Longworth uses to show why his career ended.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I don't really have much to say on the newest episodes except...
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Yep it's a drama, but I thought it was marketed as a comedy?

Remember when Helluva was marketed as a comedy to contrast Hazbin being a more serialized drama. Ironically Hazbin isn't nearly as melodramatic as Helluva which feels more like a soap opera than anything else.

Somehow no one's mentioned it yet, but the fake English accents for Stolas, Octavia, and Stella are very awkward and uncomfortable and painful to listen to. They're just so bad and weird. To me they all sound like the audio clips of John Gilbert that Karina Longworth uses to show why his career ended.

To be fair, Stella's voice actor is actually british whereas Stolas and Octavia are played by American theater actors trying to put on a british accent. But they can come across as annoying more for the voice direction given, and Stella is the worst of this since ignoring the fan stuff and how she can be interpreted as a character, she's a mustache twirling villain who can be grating if we're being serious.

 

[California Newt]

Hazbin Hotel is the single worst show that I have ever tried to watch, bar none. I wasn't able to make it past the first two lines of dialogue.

A guy in a taxi or something calls the spider a faggot, and he responds with "Oh, so orignal—"; I don't know what he says after that because I left the room.

Here are several ways that the spider could have responded:

• Say nothing; move on with what he was doing and continue to the next scene.
• Call the guy gay back; this is what I was expecting.
• Some sort of curse, insult, or slur.
• Violence.

Instead the writer has him respond in the same way a middle schooler would before finding out that real life isn't reddit and talking like that just gets you beat up or laughed at. If the writer is capable of producing an interaction this bad, I have no confidence that the writing will be passible in the rest of the product. The writer has shown that he or she doesn't have the qualifications necessary to write dialogue, and probably can't write characters either.

I will never watch Hazbin Hotel.

On the subject of Hulluva Boss: I started with the Chaz episode. I was flabbergasted—thunderstruck. A shark man (Chaz) waltzes in, reveals that he had sex with two main characters (male and female, also married to one another), and then sings a song about his penis. The very concept of Chaz would be a death-blow to any other show, but this is a series—nay, franchise—where every character is Poochie from the Simpsons; the thing is indestructible.

I have not continued with Helluva Boss, nor will I. This is awful. This is sandpaper on the human soul; watching it is an insult to the memory of every man and woman who lived and died to put us on this Earth.

I've seen bad or even outright evil shows and films before; Big Mouth; Pleasantville; American Beauty (this is a sliding scale)—the difference is that with those shows and films, the goal is to break down and deconstruct the human being; Vivzieslop is what comes out the other end: it's not that it hates humanity so much as it doesn't understand humanity in the first place—it never knew of such a thing. In a horrible way you could almost call it innocent.

At least that's the impression I get from my very narrow exposure.

How did autistic people as a race go from MLP to this? We gotta get it together.

Thank God for Dragon Ball Z

 

[The tired cat]

Hazbin Hotel is the single worst show that I have ever tried to watch, bar none

My guy, I hate to say the obvious. But theres waaaay worse shows that walk circles around Hazbin. Big Mouth comes to mind, that shit is waaaay worse than Hazbin could ever dream off.

 

[Not a bee]

I don't understand the rabid interest in that Alastor fuck. He is boring. He is the embodiment of every angst teenager's edgy deviantART OCs everywhere. His fanbase is worse than the actual HH fanbase itself.

They're like a swarm of retarded mosquitos. Like please fuck off. The majority of you can barely pass as human beings to begin with. I don't want to read your mental illnesses in literary format.

 

[California Newt]

My guy, I hate to say the obvious. But theres waaaay worse shows that walk circles around Hazbin. Big Mouth comes to mind, that shit is waaaay worse than Hazbin could ever dream off.

Big Mouth hates humanity—Vivzieslop never knew humanity in the first place. Vivzieslop is fundamentally more disturbing. It's the future Big Mouth intended to create.

 

[The tired cat]

I don't understand the rabid interest in that Alastor fuck. He is boring. He is the embodiment of every angst teenager's edgy deviantART OCs everywhere. His fanbase is worse than the actual HH fanbase itself.

Its basically that classic trope off "charming serial killer" like we've seen that with characters likr Hannibal Lector, Dexter an so forth. Problem is, Alastor only worked well in the pilot because there was a balance to his charm and actual disturbing side with the mystery behind him. In the show however? All he can do is throw threats (which he cannot back up) and barely has any of that charm.

Big Mouth hates humanity—Vivzieslop never knew humanity in the first place. Vivzieslop is fundamentally more disturbing. It's the future Big Mouth intended to create.

Eh, I dunno, like Vivs writing sucks. But, its just "meh" at best or bad writing at worse. Big mouth is just offensive on every level and it just revels in it proudly.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

I don't understand the rabid interest in that Alastor fuck. He is boring. He is the embodiment of every angst teenager's edgy deviantART OCs everywhere. His fanbase is worse than the actual HH fanbase itself.

Oh buddy, that’s exactly what he is. Apologies for the potential eye strain.

 

[California Newt]

Eh, I dunno, like Vivs writing sucks. But, its just "meh" at best or bad writing at worse. Big mouth is just offensive on every level and it just revels in it proudly.

Big Mouth is intentionally ugly; Hazbin Hotel thinks that it's beautiful. It's a bisexual furry fantasyworld—it sees its character designs as improvements of the human form, rather than as grotesque parodies.

The Big Mouth creators probably don't have a psyche damaged enough to even conceive of the desire to make something like Hazbin Hotel. I don't think people develop a craving for furry aesthetics (in a serious way) unless something has gone wrong at the ego level, whether that be through autism or trauma—they've lost the aspirational aesthetic archetype of the "ideal human", the point of reference that's so necessary for synthesizing a coherent sense of identity (among other processes). They see humans as "empty"; they attempt to fill the vacuum with chimera-forms.

The ubiquitous bisexuality of the setting reflects this—it's a kind of universalized erotic chimerism flowing from a general ignorance and confusion of categories. The assumption is that all forms of eros and love are the same, and that everyone expresses and consummates that in the same way. And then it fails to even believably deliver on that premise.

The viewers—if not the creators—think this way (at least about the bisexuality) because they probably never had a chance to develop an understanding of these distinctions and categories in the first place; the core audience for Vivzieslop—if not the creators—were all essentially mass-EPI'd during important developmental years. They never had a period of innocence that allowed them to experience real, more serious forms of non-sexual interpersonal relationships outside of the family. They never had a chance to know what people who don't have sex used to do when they loved each other. They don't experience this fantasy world orgy stuff as taboo.

The Big Mouth creators definitely would.

Some of what I've just said might've been nonsense.

 

[Obstacle]

I really just think we should be directing crazy people towards medical help rather than legitimizing their assertions that being a schizo is a type of culture.

Years ago I was offered a multiple choice diagnosis by a psychiatrist.
Which to me implied that they just wanted to throw medication at me for the sake of it, and wanted me to choose the label so I'd be a "collaborator" in my own poisoning.

If you have behaviour or thoughts they don't like, they will encourage you to identify as "mentally ill" rather than to examine your behaviour and either moderate it, come to terms with it, or learn to embrace your own self.
Instead, they expect you to take the stipend, take the brain melting drugs, and spend the next thirty years slowly dying of bedrot, until you're killed by the compounding side-effects of your "medication".

And therapists are retards.
Catch one off the clock.

 

[The Lawgiver]

Thank God for Dragon Ball Z

Reminder dragonball, a show aimed at kids, has a joke where the ignorant protagonist child goes "your balls are missing" to a woman. Not talking about the dragonballs. That's somehow more nuanced and raunchy of a joke than nearly the entirety of modern adult comedy. Dragonball Z has some moments like that too but I think that one scene compared to current year media shows how weirdly sanitized shit is now even in adult stuff. Like yeah they'll make sex jokes but they're never like NEGATIVE or ABSURD shit it's just "ah yes they sex/didn't have sex/are gay and sad and this is a serious show now" a lot of the time.

Remember when Helluva was marketed as a comedy to contrast Hazbin being a more serialized drama. Ironically Hazbin isn't nearly as melodramatic as Helluva which feels more like a soap opera than anything else.

I remember when Helluva was going to be a comedy about some dumbasses trying to run a rehab center in hell. Flash forward to current year the premise is squandered and neutered to a degreewhere it'sonly like gay people and cannibals because historical figures like jeffery dhamer and hitler aere "no longer er i mean NEVER WERE canon because people that do super evil things just stop existing" or whatever and when hells supposed to be like eternal punishment that creates a kind of "get out of jail free card" in a very unintended way. Just kill enough people in a fucked up way or be responsible for thousands of deaths and you won't have to go to hell and get stabbed and killed constantly forever! I brought up how absurd this was earlier but it's STILL FUCKING GOT ME LAUGHING AT HOW FUCKING STUPID IT IS.

Alastor only worked well in the pilot because there was a balance to his charm and actual disturbing side with the mystery behind him. In the show however? All he can do is throw threats (which he cannot back up) and barely has any of that charm.

The original pilot alastor was "chill friendly polite but still very clearly evil guy who could kill everyone in the room at any given time but doesn't because he's clearly sticking around because he finds the concept fucking funny." Basically the "closest thing to traditional devil" type of character. I don't even know what the fuck he's supposed to be in broadway/hollywood actor voiceover #503205 voice acted show and I don't think they know anymore either.

He is the embodiment of every angst teenager's edgy deviantART OCs everywhere.

Oh buddy, that’s exactly what he is.

I thought we established earlier on in this thread that he's a RAGING RACIST THAT HATES THE BLACKS.

 

[The tired cat]

The original pilot alastor was "chill friendly polite but still very clearly evil guy who could kill everyone in the room at any given time but doesn't because he's clearly sticking around because he finds the concept fucking funny." Basically the "closest thing to traditional devil" type of character. I don't even know what the fuck he's supposed to be in broadway/hollywood actor voiceover #503205 voice acted show and I don't think they know anymore either

It seems they try to sell him as this master manipulator, but hasnt really manipulated anyone. Like, him making a deal with Charlie doesnt count, cause you can sell that girl magic beans and she'll believe it. He hasnt manipulated Husk, just cheated him in a game of cards (how the fuck he even did that), so really the guy just throws weak threats and beats up.weaklings.

Like, if you wanna make Alastor this master manipulator, why not have him put up a scenario where Angel nearly has a relapse and becomes readdicted to drugs, thus throwing off Charlies hard work. Why not try to pin the death of an Exterminator on the Vs or even Lucifer himself?

 

[NSJAP]

 

[Obstacle]

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Thoughtful panel composition, A for effort, despite the C- subject matter, but that's just my contempt for the melodramatic tonal whiplash, which comes with the territory.

 

[didelphigina]

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We'll never ever get this dialogue in the actual show. S3's gonna have her as a "pre-Stella" villain and eventual Stolas supporter and forgiving him for all his sins. I forever yearn for the fan comics that actually have Octavia and Stella talk to each other like actual characters, not just props for future Stolitz plans.

 

[Dr. Butt]

Years ago I was offered a multiple choice diagnosis by a psychiatrist.
Which to me implied that they just wanted to throw medication at me for the sake of it, and wanted me to choose the label so I'd be a "collaborator" in my own poisoning.

If you have behaviour or thoughts they don't like, they will encourage you to identify as "mentally ill" rather than to examine your behaviour and either moderate it, come to terms with it, or learn to embrace your own self.
Instead, they expect you to take the stipend, take the brain melting drugs, and spend the next thirty years slowly dying of bedrot, until you're killed by the compounding side-effects of your "medication".

And therapists are retards.
Catch one off the clock.

Euthanasia is a form of "medical help".

 

[Obstacle]

Euthanasia is a form of "medical help".

Suicide is a sin my nigga.
Even with a doctor's note.

 

[GoodWinSon]

Lol-a should be depicted smoking crack with Nick Rickeita and Bossman.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Lol-a should be depicted smoking crack with Nick Rickeita and BosBossman

Perhaps.....