Valve has been encouraging a gambling mafia - Coffeezilla expose; Valve used legal workarounds to finance a gambling mafia with CSGO skins

[Local Wordmason]

Fuck this shit, I'm going back to the comfy retro vidya threads.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

As for the underage gambling, it's the parents' full responsibility to not let them buy a single fucking key; it's so easy to take a glance at what they want to buy and not give them your debit / credit card. This would only be a real issue if CS2 was advertised for kids, but it's not and never has been. I'm so sick of the "Think of the children!" bullshit that keeps getting recycled by these tards.

I mean, it's literally impossible to control what your kid does online unless you lock him in a room and isolate him from the internet.

Kids can use other kid's devices, bypass adult filters, use illegitimate websites that look legitimate... What you are asking from the parents is for them to look over the kid's shoulders/helicopter the kid when he's browsing the internet 24/7...

 

[Administrator Flotsam]

Define "bad things", you dumb cocksuckers.

Calm down ma'm, its perfectly ok to suck cock but don't understand why you and the other shills in this thread are so intent on sucking Valve's.

I said it plenty of times: the government is not your tard wrangler. Raise your own fucking kid. Take care of your own fucking health.

Not everyone wants parasites to exist. Its ok if you want them to but don't think any less of people who want to live in a moral or at least non-immoral society. If you want to live in a world where drugs or illegal gambling or grooming or CP is ok, that's fine.

Literally the War on Drug and Prohibition, retard.

Some countries actually ban those said things, i.e. porn bans in China and South Korea, but those bans don't do anything to fix their fucked-up societies,

Crime or whatever other bad things need to be controlled. If people were ball-less enough to let all of that shit propagate, like you suggest we wouldn't have modern civilization.

 

[President Joe Biden]

>6 pages of steam spergs defending Valve breaking the law and selling gambling to kids/retards
>"It's okay when OUR e-daddy does it!"
Valve drones, not even once...

You should CS:GO fuck yourself.

 

[ZMOT]

Same question to you: Do you think its ok to do bad things as long as you can get away with it by weaseling and shifting liability to someone else?
Because if laws and morality are pointless, you're better off not living in a civilized country.

who is shifting liability where? unless you want parents to 100% watch every minute of their spawn to make sure they don't do "bad things" before they're allowed, your question is retarded. or in case of valve having literally no fucking control how their system is used offsite, unless your genius idea is to remove the whole system together. if I make NFTs of your posts, you gonna stop posting?

you either accept some humans will always be retarded and do retarded things (and then get punished) for various reasons like power, money or simple (underage) stupidity, or try to be a faggot to curtail the freedom of everyone for the sake of "everyone". if your takeaway is laws and morality are pointless, you're even more retarded then the average ancap.

Nuclear Take -
The entire market is an extremely toxic system that has ran rampant for too long. You guys cant defend it with "erm stupid kids im smart gaben is always correct I sell shit for free games" they hired an economist for Christ's sake at most all of these skins should not even break $15 yet the community dictates the prices and for the last couple years speculators have just destroyed the market or people rig shit through youtube videos. Valve can do anything with counter strike, for instance valve let you rebuy a battle pass 5 times....becasue they can for more skins. Kids are not playing counter strike its a strawman argument they play fortnite...maybe Russian kids are getting scammed at most.

it is, but it's also not illegal. kids don't gamble on valve's site, and just because valve's stuff is used in a way they have no control over doesn't make them the good guys either. people like to assign blame to a specific person or company, when it's often not that simple and knee-jerk "you shouldn't be allowed to do X in the first place" is a dangerous slippery slope which by now everyone should know will eventually be exploited.

the entire market is money laundering at worst with some retards caught in the crossfire. It’s mostly just bots running the show now.

but enough about stocks

 

[iceteayo]

I liked valve too but I will never understand the sheer cult you guys push on every gaming forum for it. You can’t brush this under the rug with “not my problem”

It’s gonna be a YOU problem when they go public.

 

[fogger]

I liked valve too but I will never understand the sheer cult you guys push on every gaming forum for it. You can’t brush this under the rug with “not my problem”

It’s gonna be a YOU problem when they go public.

The moment Gabe croaks is the moment that valve dies.
I can't wait for the future where steam becomes a garbage fire.

 

[Administrator Flotsam]

you either accept some humans will always be retarded and do retarded things (and then get punished) for various reasons like power, money or simple (underage) stupidity, or try to be a faggot to curtail the freedom of everyone for the sake of "everyone".

You're literally a teenager that watched Sargon of Akkad and thinks he's an enlightened anarchist who's fighting the enemies of freedom. At least I hope so.

I thought you'd realize it before you got to this point but since you haven't, I'll ask the big questions now: What about grooming? What about child pornography? What about punishing actual criminals in your stupid worldview of freedom that just so happens to think its morally ok to scam people?

Society and civilization gives you security and you have to obey its laws, to an extent, in return.

 

[Spud]

Listen the law says you are responsible for other peoples children, even if they aren't blood related to you and that you have to accept being treated like nigger cattle because parents are too concerned with finger fucking their phones to be involved in their children's lives and teaching them important life lessons but if your against this it means you're pro child rape because it just does chud. Heaven forbid the parents of these children take an active role in their lives.

 

[ZMOT]

You're literally a teenager that watched Sargon of Akkad and thinks he's an enlightened anarchist who's fighting the enemies of freedom. At least I hope so.

I thought you'd realize it before you got to this point but since you haven't, I'll ask the big questions now: What about grooming? What about child pornography? What about punishing actual criminals in your stupid worldview of freedom that just so happens to think its morally ok to scam people?

Society and civilization gives you security and you have to obey its laws, to an extent, in return.

only a full blown retard would conflate kids gambling their allowance money on colored pixels with frigging child pornography, nor do you understand where personal freedom and responsibility ends, what that actually means, and why minors are treated different in law in the first place.
I don't know in what version of your "righteous anger" you thought you didn't sound like a reddit dipshit, but your first clue should be not leading with pathetic adhoms.

but thanks for clearing up you ARE dumber than the average ancap, holy shit

 

[Administrator Flotsam]

Heaven forbid the parents of these children take an active role in their lives.

only a full blown retard would conflate kids gambling their allowance money on colored pixels

The skins have real world value, can be exchanged for real world money and bets based on chance are placed on them for other skins or tokens that cost real money. What kind of zoomeer-level language comprehension do you have to have to not understand this?

where personal freedom and responsibility ends

The laws sets out expectations for everything, including games. It isn't reasonable for someone to expect 1 out of 100 games to have an addictive gambling system that can be taken outside the realms of the game and used for real-money gambling. You can't poison 1 out of 100 bottles of milk and say it was someone else's job to check for poison because any bottle of milk could've been poisoned.

you thought you didn't sound like a reddit dipshit, but your first clue should be not leading with pathetic adhoms.

you're even more retarded then the average ancap.

Ma'm you started it. Your parents should pay more attention to their kid.

 

[Spud]

The skins have real world value, can be exchanged for real world money and bets based on chance are placed on them for other skins or tokens that cost real money. What kind of zoomeer-level language comprehension do you have to have to not understand this?

teaching them important life lessons

You can replace the skins with anything other object in the world, copper, gold, casino chips, my little pony cum jars and people will still speculate on price and use it to gamble. We're in complete agreement that anyone underage by law cannot and should not be able to participate in gambling either IRL or digitally, proof of ID is required to do so IRL and any online gambling website be they 3rd party websites for CS:GO skins to standard horse races are subject to the same thing via you're country's Gaming control board/Gambling Commission. The issue is that no one wants to tell little Timmy retard not to blindly trust every nigger on the Internet or teach them about the value of money and how they shouldn't be gambling it until they're an adult, it would take 5 min at most to explain to a kid about how easy you can be swindled by gambling but no one wants to take the time to do so and I'm tired of having to suffer for the bottom percentile.

 

[TheHarbinger]

You can replace the skins with anything other object in the world, copper, gold, casino chips and people will still speculate on price and use it to gamble.

There's a difference between purchasing exact goods at a set price and the goods rising or falling in cost in the future. Versus purchasing a box with a random item inside of it. You aren't going to a steel mill and purchasing loot crates of steel and hoping to hit the girders you need to build your next warehouse. You aren't purchasing a sealed chest of gold on the market that might be empty or might be full. Your comparison was completely illogical. You aren't going to the grocery store and purchasing a sealed pack of cheese hoping to hit ten slices instead of one.

The loot crates are designed to be gambling based purely on randomness. And there are sites that are clearly scams showing popular streamers winning big over and over that are clearly deceptive marketing. The gambling aspect of loot crates are designed to be as addictive and manipulative as possible. Valve and its employees are well aware.

We're in complete agreement that anyone underage by law cannot and should not be able to participate in gambling either.

The issue is that Valve is no longer a gaming company but operating like a full scale casino or betting parlor yet are completely unregulated. Gambling is the most advertised service in the media currently. Every single sports program is dominated by gambling and betting coverage. There are billboards all over with giant signs promoting gambling. It's not just youth that are being targeted it's everyone.

 

[Spud]

there are sites that are clearly scams showing popular streamers winning big over and over that are clearly deceptive marketing.

Yes and they're running foul of existing deceptive marketing laws but no one files charges against the sites it's people saying that Valve need to do something.

The loot crates are designed to be gambling based purely on randomness.

Yes they are gambling but you know what you're gonna get from it and the Chinese Government stepped in and told them they have to post the odds of what you could get from them for them to continue selling them in China

It's not just youth that are being targeted it's everyone.

That's because we understand that adults have agency over themselves and can make decisions on what to spend their money on whereas children don't have this agency.

The issue is that Valve is no longer a gaming company but operating like a full scale casino or betting parlor yet are completely unregulated.

To which you can report it to your country's Gaming Board Control/Gambling commission. FBI if you think they're doing it illegally.

There are already laws about this but everyone wants to complain rather than enforce those laws and people are tired of being held back by the lower percentile who just complain that they should have their hand held forever and that people shouldn't do stuff they personally don't like. Don't want to lose money on CS:GO skins, don't gamble for them, don't want to lose your money at a casino don't go. We already require ID to prove a person is an adult to participate in gambling why do we need more laws stopping kids to do so.

 

[Administrator Flotsam]

Yes and they're running foul of existing deceptive marketing laws but no one files charges against the sites it's people saying that Valve need to do something.

Because Valve is the only link in the chain of bullshit who are subject to law. Everyone else in this business are money laundering EE rugpullers.

To which you can report it to your country's Gaming Board Control/Gambling commission. FBI if you think they're doing it illegally.

A lot of the worst stuff in the industry that's thriving today were allowed to grow because of lack of public awareness. I'm not supporter of deplatforming or fearmongering but at the same time it can't be ignored that this is a million dollar gambling industry trying to go mainstream.

Its easier to lose thousands of dollars gambling skins than it is to find a decent torrent of a $60 game. That should tell you how much governments can do and what kind of hellscape we're in store for if some things aren't pushed back against.

 

[Spud]

Everyone else in this business are money laundering EE rugpullers.

So they're criminals breaking the law, that you can report to the appropriate authorities. Unless that's actually your day job in which case, thank you for your hard work.

Its easier to lose thousands of dollars gambling skins than it is to find a decent torrent of a $60 game. That should tell you how much governments can do and what kind of hellscape we're in store for if some things aren't pushed back against.

Then the question becomes how do you push back against retardation? We can wish for the fantasy that no one ever gambles but we're stuck in the reality that people if given the choice will gamble and unless you want to take that choice away the least that can be done is to keep the games honest and transparent.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

Bad things are bad. The good things you do don't magically erase them.

Valve fanfags are incapable of thought, they just slurp Gabe the Hutt's taint 24/7.

his $250 million dollar new yacht?
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What does a whale need a boat for?

 

[Administrator Flotsam]

So they're criminals breaking the law, that you can report to the appropriate authorities. Unless that's actually your day job in which case, thank you for your hard work.

I'm not gonna repeat this for a 41st time so here's the 40th: they're outside the law because they live in corrupt countries that don't give a shit. If you want something done about it, the law isn't with you.
Just because something falls outside the realms of laws that were made 50ish or more years ago doesn't mean its any less harmful and any less deserving of being curbed.

 

[Spud]

they're outside the law because they live in corrupt countries that don't give a shit. If you want something done about it, the law isn't with you.

So what is your solution? How can this be stopped? What do you want someone to do? I am open to ideas cause I have an investment in what remains of a high trust society and I'd like to keep it high trust by removing scammers.

 

[Male Idiot]

I mean, it's literally impossible to control what your kid does online unless you lock him in a room and isolate him from the internet.

Kids can use other kid's devices, bypass adult filters, use illegitimate websites that look legitimate... What you are asking from the parents is for them to look over the kid's shoulders/helicopter the kid when he's browsing the internet 24/7...

Don't let them use other kid's devices. Don't let them use the internet if they can bypass your filter. Don't give them your credit card so they got no money. If you want to go full Coompitalism, give them three fiddy in cash. Maybe your kid browsing the internet 24/7 is the problem, not the internet.

I liked valve too but I will never understand the sheer cult you guys push on every gaming forum for it. You can’t brush this under the rug with “not my problem”

It’s gonna be a YOU problem when they go public.

That's rich coming from the biggest GW shill on the site.

The skins have real world value, can be exchanged for real world money and bets based on chance are placed on them for other skins or tokens that cost real money. What kind of zoomeer-level language comprehension do you have to have to not understand this?

Retards will assign value to anything.

The issue is that no one wants to tell little Timmy retard not to blindly trust every nigger on the Internet or teach them about the value of money and how they shouldn't be gambling it until they're an adult

Little Timmy shouldn't have access to a credit card. I didn't get one until I was 18. I went to the fucking video game store with cash.

So what is your solution? How can this be stopped? What do you want someone to do? I am open to ideas cause I have an investment in what remains of a high trust society and I'd like to keep it high trust by removing scammers.

You argue with a tard of the pearl clutching evangelical variety. Thots and prayers?
What you can do is simply prevent access. You need to evaluate your child, if he is the type to bypass the internet filter, than he shouldn't have access to said internet. This requires actually knowing your child and talking to it so everyone hates this solution. It is daddy government's job to look after your kid, after all! Feds will only teach them good drag stories....