Valve has been encouraging a gambling mafia - Coffeezilla expose; Valve used legal workarounds to finance a gambling mafia with CSGO skins

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The Kiwi take on Steam getting children addicted to gambling for profit i
Pretty sure Kiwi take is "it sucks, but in the real world you have to consider there aren't any better alternatives." I don't even buy games off steam, not a fan of Steam's business model, but they do support stuff I use like Linux. I personally I would love if gambling was outlawed everywhere and for everyone, but I know that isn't realistic. Ultimately, it's not even kids money - it's the parent money. Let the parent figure out how much they want to give their kid.
 
Pretty sure Kiwi take is "it sucks, but in the real world you have to consider there aren't any better alternatives." I don't even buy games off steam, not a fan of Steam's business model, but they do support stuff I use like Linux. I personally I would love if gambling was outlawed everywhere and for everyone, but I know that isn't realistic. Ultimately, it's not even kids money - it's the parent money. Let the parent figure out how much they want to give their kid.
While i love my Steamdeck and that Valve has done so much for Linux gaming, i’ve grown tired of Steam’s business model in recent years. My steamdeck is pretty much an emulation machine that also plays a few Steam games here and there. What amazed me is that i can repacks of Starcraft and Ghost of Tsushima with no trouble.
 
Pretty sure Kiwi take is "it sucks, but in the real world you have to consider there aren't any better alternatives." I don't even buy games off steam, not a fan of Steam's business model, but they do support stuff I use like Linux. I personally I would love if gambling was outlawed everywhere and for everyone, but I know that isn't realistic. Ultimately, it's not even kids money - it's the parent money. Let the parent figure out how much they want to give their kid.
The simple alternative is banning loot boxes and any gambling mechanic for anyone under 18. Steam can feel free to verify my ID if my IQ is low enough that I'm buying FIFA cards with real cash.

This isn't like real life where people are always going to create illegal casinos/lotteries. If kids can't gamble in roblox/fortnite/twitch etc., where exactly else are they going to do it?

If a parent wants to let their kid use their 'adult' account and enable micro transactions, sure, that's their decision. But by default why on earth would you ever support getting kids addicted to anything?
 
The simple alternative is banning loot boxes and any gambling mechanic for anyone under 18.
I don't see why gambling is okay over age of 18 either. Its certainly not a behavior society should condone. Gambling has negative effects on society even for adults too. Murder is illegal, yet people still do it. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be outlawed for everyone.
But by default why on earth would you ever support getting kids addicted to anything?
I think the difference is supporting something is very different than understanding that parents need to stop relying on society to do their job for them.
 
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The Kiwi take on Steam getting children addicted to gambling for profit is the exact same as the reddit take. "I support Valve having a monopoly on digital distribution of software licenses because I don't want to have to use multiple platforms, therefore anything exploitative they do is okay".
Valve does not have a monopoly on the digital distribution of video games. They don't exploit the game studios that publish their games on Steam. Not only the "muh 30%" is a bullshit argument (Apple, Google, PSN, Xbox Live, etc. all take 30%) but when a studio puts their game on Steam, they get access to a dedicated forum for the customers, a Workshop space, servers, etc.
As for the gambling, people here have already said it: tell the parents to be more responsible, a screen (tv, console or computer) is not a babysitter.
 
Also, the focus on gambling just ignores the bigger problem. Parents have surrendered their children to internet society, and they allow this type of behavior by doing so. A child shouldn't really be on social media or playing videos games all day. They should be outside fostering human connections, and learning how to adapt to the real world. Online gambling is a symptom of much larger societal problems in the internet age. Parents really need to raise their children, be there for them, and be responsible for them.
 
But by default why on earth would you ever support getting kids addicted to anything?
Money and greed. Tobacco companies used to market towards kids as much as possible. The average age of someone watching pornography for the first time is 12 years (with 15% being age 10). Tiktok is basically designed to ruin attention spans and promote degenerate videos to the youngest possible children. YouTube's user interface is designed so that children can just infinitely watch videos on autoplay. Gaming companies are no different. Why would Valve be different than any other major corporation?

Casinos have kid friendly shows to get families into the venue. The kids watch some live entertainment show and then the parents gamble. And some of those kids grow up to gamble themselves. Gabe Newell and the rest of the leadership at Valve are no different. They allow games that promote all sorts of degeneracy, LGBTFAG, and so on. Allow games to have addictive casino and gambling modes with real money. And as long as Gabe and company get enough money for a $250 million yacht they don't care. People like Newell would be CEOs of pharmaceutical companies or defense contractors if it meant owning a yacht.
 
I already posted why I think this is dumb earlier in page two.
But another thing I remembered is that Steam already has a "Parental Control" system that allows parents to disable their kid's trading function, which basically makes them unable to use these gambling sites in the first place.
If thats the case then the 3rd video has 0 merit to its claims and at the end of the day its just shitty parenting that are allowing these types of sites to thrive.
 
Just so we're all on the same page:
If Valve were to suddenly stop the skin casinos, do you think said skin casinos would just suddenly close shop? OSRS has had an issue with gambling since it released (and even back when it was Runescape 2) and got so bad that they ended up removing the Duel Arena, better known as "sand casino", on 6 July 2022. Know what happened pretty much immediately? The price of Christmas Crackers, an item that you can use to get one of several random items, started to rapidly climb in price. Yup. After they removed one form of gambling, the community immediately found a replacement. And, in case there was any doubt, Jagex would change the Christmas Cracker to remove the random hat color in a clear attempt to stop it from being used to gamble.
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Parents have surrendered their children to internet society, and they allow this type of behavior by doing so. A child shouldn't really be on social media or playing videos games all day.
Retards heard the saying "it takes a village to raise a child" and interpret it as "literally everyone else is responsible for raising my child".
 
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You know, no matter how many times it happens, I'm always amazed at how people will do anything for money and defend the ones who do so. No morality, no principles, nothing that you simply will not do because it's wrong.
And then you sit and wonder why the world's going to shit instead of thinking "hmm, maybe it's because the average modern person is a vapid, materialistic scumbag, and I'm actually part of the problem for not refusing to go along with it".
I can get it to some extent to be fair. Everyone has a price, like it or not.
Once you start offering sums that are enough to develop into generational wealth, most people would fold and I couldn't blame them. It's easy to be very pragmatic and principled when you aren't given the opportunity with such a large temptation.
I am guilty of that myself by the simple virtue of knowing what it's like to be at the utter brink of homelessness & being powerless to do much more than just damage control.
Even though I'd like to say I wouldn't, realistically I'd take a six figure contract to promote gambling in an instant.

That being said I really think it isn't simple at all, it's a perfect storm in regards to societal developments, social attitudes, economy, etc built on the backbone of the very concept of currency that led us as a whole down the path of people selling out their neighbor for three pieces of silver. Just as an example, in my country we have one of very worst housing crisises. Social housing waitlists up to two decades long in desirable places, a decade in utter shitholes & private market lease prices that while the middle class can afford, they'd live like lower class due to how expensive it is.
And there's still people who block construction of much needed housing because of their own selfishness. Not even young familiee, I'm talking baby boomer and older that are trying to "protect their property value and safety" (Utter bullshit, properties WILL NEVER go down in value in this country) just to get an easy 50-150K buyout from the government. Not to move mind you, just to sign off on construction.

Money makes the world go round but the entire concept is also what drives people to be selfish assholes and has been doing so since the very first coin was minted. There's no changing that. Only thing you can influence is how much exactly most people are willing to sell out for.
 
I said from the very start that it's the parents that are in control of their children.
I said from the start that underage gambling is only part of the issue.

All I want to know from you is this:
Do you think its ok to do bad things as long as you can get away with it by weaseling and shifting liability to someone else?
After they removed one form of gambling, the community immediately found a replacement.
"Banning drugs won't work because they'll find another drug anyway"
 
Lol faggots. Don't give your kids internet.

Bob Chandler knew this. You are all a worse dad than Bob Chandler.

Let that sink in.

Also, lol normiefag CS, lol consolefags, lol uh muh evangelicals thinking that opening DnD.exe will summon Satan.

Just take your kid, give him pervitin put the fucking eternet cable in, torrent Serious Sam, pull the cable out, and let him blow up aliens or he'll grow up as a fag who cries when his enemies die.
 
I like how all these videos never really explain properly why valves loot boxes suck.

TLDR it’s not think of the children

Valves loot box system is so scummy. Valve boxes has no pity which means stuff like Japanese gacha states you’ll get a rare ssr drop after opening 100 boxes valves don’t so you could go on and on without anything at least most games with loot box systems have a guaranteed drop after $100. Also the entire skin wear system is malicious as fuck you could drop so much cash and you finally get a knife but it’s battle scared and looks like shit and let’s not get into floats either because you could get say minimal wear but it’s a bad float and looks like shit also let’s not get into some skins having another layer of rng in them regarding specific patterns.

Let’s not even go into the fact valve forces you either buy or find crates to even OPEN THEM. Valve has also limited crate drops hard in CSGO to the point they are more expensive to open than buying the keys

The shits insane especially when “float value” dictates the difference of $100 to $10000
 

Look at another explanation since I used to be a trader (if you dont use bots or outside trading websites you are in last place)

CSGO so much RNG behind the items it makes Koreans blush

You have 5 different wears with the number under them dictating the finish of each gun. The Float system will make or break you more in the Minimal Wear - Field Tested area the most as a low float to a minimal wear could make it look worse while a high float for a Field Tested could be a life saver trading wise. However, some specific skins like Crimson Web, Case Hardened, or Slaughter have RNG patterns on each skin this is where a lot of the autism goes into play especially for the skins that cost $10,000.

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Oh but no think of the children, it’s always these third party websites that are the issue apparently when the system valve made is just NFTs. Also keep in mind I think valve only disclosed drop rates after threats of lawsuits.

Also let’s say you unbox a rare knife. You need to lock your account down ASAP. Even with a private profile the api will mark down you have the knife which means all these Russians scam bots are gonna come for your ass.
 
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I really don't give a shit if retards lose money gambling on fucking .png's. Anyone dumb enough to care about fake Internet pictures so much that they're willing to risk their life savings gambling for "better" fake Internet pictures DESERVES WHAT THEY GET.

And if it's kids doing it? THE PARENTS DESERVE IT TOO. Maybe pay some more attention to what your children are doing with your credit card, retard.
 
Wholesome Valve: TF2 and fat gabe.
Cringe zoomer brainrot Valve: CS "2" and Ozempic-thin gabe.

I spent AGES trading my way up to get two green energy hats in TF2, that I then sold for.. $60 each to buy a gpu. I can't imagine my level of regret but for a $2500 knife.
btw all new Team Fortress 2 crates for the last couple years have gotten CSGO styled with item rarities and even weapon skins following the wear system it was just implemented horribly (thank god)
 
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The Kiwi take on Steam getting children addicted to gambling for profit is the exact same as the reddit take. "I support Valve having a monopoly on digital distribution of software licenses because I don't want to have to use multiple platforms, therefore anything exploitative they do is okay".
Kiwifarmers are faggots that hate children, are you really surprised by this? This website is filled with feminist cunts and their unironic suporters
 
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