Navigating male friendships as a trans man - Cis guys conditioned to chat about poker, women, football

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It’s uncommon for a columnist in any publication to write about navigating friendships, but I feel the need to talk about navigating male friendships as a transgender man. In doing so, I will highlight what is wrong with men these days — and what is not wrong — and I can pinpoint various areas where masculinity still remains toxic, and areas where it doesn’t.

When I first started transitioning to be a man I hated all cisgender men: they were the bane of my existence. I was conditioned to hate cis men because they historically were the ones who repressed trans people. I found though, that when I went on testosterone and started passing as a man all the time, that people suddenly expected me to be nice to cisgender men and to be friends with them.

As a trans man, let me dissect what it’s like to find the right guy friend. Let’s first take a look at all men. Let’s say, for instance, that 70% of men are transphobic to some degree. Suddenly, I am faced with only making friends with 30% of these remaining men. Out of these 30% of men, some will not have the same hobbies as me, share the same interests, share the same educational background, or be in the same age bracket as me. Only 5% of these men are similar to me in some way shape or form: they might like literature, they might be smart, they might have traveled to many countries, they might also have a twin, and they might be roughly the same age, or work in the same industry.

I have had many cis men as friends. But even among those woke, non-transphobic men, there are a few issues that arise. The first is that I have a difficult time talking about any surgeries with them or about my bottom dysphoria. In this same vein, it is difficult to talk to them about anything trans-related, because trans-related issues do not conform to cisgender culture. I’ve found that even the most well meaning, progressive men find talking about something like dysphoria awkward. Cisgender men are conditioned to make small talk about the NBA, poker, women, and football.

Perhaps I take issue with how all cisgender men are socialized, then. I’ve found that cisgender, straight men are conditioned to not talk about their emotions or have conversations about love or sex. As a former woman these types of conversations were very commonplace, either in the Yale women cross country’s locker room or in small group settings with female roommates.

It is hard to find a man who I can talk to about transphobia or bottom dysphoria. On that note, the best “male” friends I have in the current day are actually cisgender men who are secretly trans women. It’s shocking, at first, to learn that my close friend from college is secretly a trans woman. But then it’s enlightening, and it makes sense why they were so comfortable with me being trans to begin with. It’s sad, though, that the only “men” I feel the closest to are those who secretly don’t want to be men. It’s not sad in the sense that I don’t want them to transition —every bit of me wants them to transition — but it’s sad that I can’t get close to other cis men in the same way.

Most of the men I’ve talked about in this piece are straight, cis men, and I have neglected to speak about gay or queer cis men. In a previous piece for the Blade, I spoke of issues in gay men’s culture. I’ve found that there are many cisgender gay men who mean well for trans men, but that in another regard, a lot of cis gay men are socialized to cast social judgments and prioritize being skinny and fashionable instead of developing genuine friendships, especially when they are in their 20s and 30s. Instead, I’ve gravitated toward being friends with straight men mainly because I also harbor an attraction to women, and I do, admittedly, like to occasionally make raunchy and lewd jokes, and I feel less judged by straight men. Such a statement may come across as bold, but the truth is that I have very few gay male friends.

In any event, dissecting male friendships as a trans man is difficult and multifaceted, but worth it nonetheless. As a trans man, it’s fascinating to study other men, and in particular the ways in which they maintain, or don’t maintain, friendships. I am eternally perplexed by how some men make jokes and cut others out of friendship circles, but also happy that, at the end of the day, both straight and queer cisgender men can be accepting of someone like me.
 
FTMs tend to be Peter Pan don't u think? They are in a state of arrested development. Forever trying to look like the androgynous youth.

It's amazing how trans people don't understand that the average person doesn't enjoy talking about horrific medical procedures.

If FTMs could understand other people they wouldn't be FTMs IMO. They don't fully understand themselves.

Conversely I think most of them are chasing something, an ideal.

In short: probably early life sexual abuse. In their formative years they learned to hate their bodies. So now they try to reject them. Some natural part of them desires something -- testosterone I guess -- b/c they see that men have what they don't. Or their idea of men.

They need therapy, frankly. From someone they can trust.
 
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"Muh edukashunal backgrun" dont mean just college but if you got the same bullshit 2-year degree in useless shit like they did, if you have a real 4 or 6 year degree in medicine, science or engineering you are also not in the same background

You are above, and shitstains like this rotdog cunt know it so they feel intimidated
 
I also harbor an attraction to women
No you don't. You just think you ought to.
I do, admittedly, like to occasionally make raunchy and lewd jokes, and I feel less judged by straight men.
Normal men intensely dislike this behaviour from women. They are judging you, and you're too deluded to notice the silence that follows your "jokes".
Such a statement may come across as bold, but the truth is that I have very few gay male friends.
Completely unsurprising. They don't like you for the same reason that every other group dislikes outsiders and interlopers: you are not one of them.

This is the bridge a pooner will never be able to cross because “You have to believe my bullshit” is the price of admission to interacting with them.
I think it's more that Pooners need everyone to believe their bullshit before they, the Pooners, can feel brave enough to interact with others. Keep in mind that many Pooners are naturally extremely timid girls.
If you read every Pooner Tale© like this one, it's plainly obvious that they are seeking others out - no-one is actively seeking to hang out with Pooners. Other than dudes who want to fuck them, of course, and even then, those Pooners are advertising themselves on hookup apps.

@Rick's Beef Wellington
it seems like these are women who think all men are like gay men, is that about right?
No, Pooners think men are low-IQ, NASCAR-watching, scratching their balls in public, Ricky-Bobby x Homer Simpson clones.
They think gay men are basically women. That's why they're not afraid of fags.
 
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I find the pseudo-anthropological tone of these articles really funny. This woman in particular has no comprehension of being a man, so she acts like Margaret Mead among the Samoans.

When I first started transitioning to be a man I hated all cisgender men: they were the bane of my existence. I was conditioned to hate cis men because they historically were the ones who repressed trans people. I found though, that when I went on testosterone and started passing as a man all the time, that people suddenly expected me to be nice to cisgender men and to be friends with them.
Among the most grating aspect of transgenders is that they want to be men/women while simultaneously thinking themselves above men and women.

I have had many cis men as friends. But even among those woke, non-transphobic men, there are a few issues that arise. The first is that I have a difficult time talking about any surgeries with them or about my bottom dysphoria. In this same vein, it is difficult to talk to them about anything trans-related, because trans-related issues do not conform to cisgender culture.
She wants to be a man, and be accepted by men, while constantly doing things which trigger their underlying transphobia (consider that, according to her, 70% of men are transphobic) and most importantly, heighten how she's ultimately not a man.

Perhaps I take issue with how all cisgender men are socialized, then. I’ve found that cisgender, straight men are conditioned to not talk about their emotions or have conversations about love or sex. As a former woman these types of conversations were very commonplace, either in the Yale women cross country’s locker room or in small group settings with female roommates.
What did she think being a guy was?

I have to think the men around her immediately sniffed out her bad faith (among other things).
 
Article writer going by the way shits worded might be unironically be just a shallow and horrible person that relates everything to troonery and social status.

Even as a woman that’s had a good deal of male friends because have some hobbies and interests that are more common in males, there is NO way as a woman to actually fit in with a group of guys.
If you have several friends, that's a group. The "unable to actually fit in" sounds like some kind of projection of internal stuff.

Male socialization is so different, men don’t talk about feelings and shit on the regular.
Depends on who it is. Also depends on social issue shit between people. Lots of people, no matter what genitals they got either hold in or just fucking vent like crazy to different people they know. The concept of emotion should not be seen as a battle of the sexes thing and it's always made me angry that it is by people. Do not be like the article writer and take people who are men not venting to you about personal feelings as "men don't talk about feelings".

Another very female brained thing here is the possibility that the men she is with aren’t talking about sex and relationships with her because they aren’t having any does not seem to occur to her.
or coombrained. could be a coomer pooner...

Wait... it's worse.
It is hard to find a man who I can talk to about transphobia or bottom dysphoria. On that note, the best “male” friends I have in the current day are actually cisgender men who are secretly trans women. It’s shocking, at first, to learn that my close friend from college is secretly a trans woman. But then it’s enlightening, and it makes sense why they were so comfortable with me being trans to begin with. It’s sad, though, that the only “men” I feel the closest to are those who secretly don’t want to be men. It’s not sad in the sense that I don’t want them to transition —every bit of me wants them to transition — but it’s sad that I can’t get close to other cis men in the same way.
Oh god so much worse.
every bit of me wants them to transition
I’ve gravitated toward being friends with straight men mainly because I also harbor an attraction to women, and I do, admittedly, like to occasionally make raunchy and lewd jokes, and I feel less judged by straight men.
IT'S A FUCKING GROOMER COOMER POONER.
 
This article clearly illustrates the many reason she doesn't have any guy friends. For one, they know shes a woman, and secondly, they know she will absolutely play hall monitor with their boss if she thinks they are being "transphobic" or offensive in any way that concerns her directly, and choose to keep the conversation as neutral as possible whenever shes inevitably hanging around, trying to butt in.
I'm not a guy, and even I would know better than to associate with one of these, because all they do is cause trouble and strife, wherever they go, female or male. If others refuse to allow the conversation to be directed towards their stupid tranny bullshit, they will force it, or somehow make it a transgression for which everyone will pay, so its best to avoid entirely.
 
If others refuse to allow the conversation to be directed towards their stupid tranny bullshit, they will force it, or somehow make it a transgression for which everyone will pay, so its best to avoid entirely.
Don't forget the important bit. You know the whole "The only cis men who want to be with me totally secretly don't want to be men and I hope they just transition soon" thing. That combined with all the other factors sets off SO MANY FUCKING WARNING BELLS.
 
This is a GEM of a delusional pooner article and there is so much to dissect!
As a trans man, let me dissect what it’s like to find the right guy friend.
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they might also have a twin
Every Kiwi reading this, I want you to think of all the sets of same-sex twins that you know. Has it been the case, as it has been for me, that in almost EVERY set of same sex twins, one of them is gay? Look at the Krassensteins.
The first is that I have a difficult time talking about any surgeries with them or about my bottom dysphoria.

I’ve found that even the most well meaning, progressive men find talking about something like dysphoria awkward.
No one wants to talk about someone's illness. I had cancer, but if I used that as a starting point for a friendship, it would just bum people out.
As a former woman
Good to know that being trans is a choice and you weren't "always a man." Weirdly enough, I find the dyke pooners to be the most like this where they don't want to give up the fact that they were ever women.
On that note, the best “male” friends I have in the current day are actually cisgender men who are secretly trans women.
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I’ve gravitated toward being friends with straight men mainly because I also harbor an attraction to women, and I do, admittedly, like to occasionally make raunchy and lewd jokes, and I feel less judged by straight men. Such a statement may come across as bold, but the truth is that I have very few gay male friends.
A dyke hating gay men? Color me shocked! This is a tale as old as time.
I am eternally perplexed by how some men make jokes and cut others out of friendship circles, but also happy that, at the end of the day, both straight and queer cisgender men can be accepting of someone like me.
Women: famously not catty with their "friends" and never talk behind their backs.
 
they know she will absolutely play hall monitor with their boss if she thinks they are being "transphobic" or offensive in any way that concerns her directly
Women are typically like this in general. Pooners are far worse however. Women can’t handle what men like to joke about so they’ll go snitch on the men. Back when I was in high school, everyone knew that if there was a woman in the class you couldn’t make any jokes. Every time I got in trouble it was either because a woman snitched on me, or it was a complete beta cuck of a male. (Basically a woman)

There is the very rare woman though that actually knows how to hang out with guys and joke around, but those have to be carefully vetted.
 
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