Navigating male friendships as a trans man - Cis guys conditioned to chat about poker, women, football

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It’s uncommon for a columnist in any publication to write about navigating friendships, but I feel the need to talk about navigating male friendships as a transgender man. In doing so, I will highlight what is wrong with men these days — and what is not wrong — and I can pinpoint various areas where masculinity still remains toxic, and areas where it doesn’t.

When I first started transitioning to be a man I hated all cisgender men: they were the bane of my existence. I was conditioned to hate cis men because they historically were the ones who repressed trans people. I found though, that when I went on testosterone and started passing as a man all the time, that people suddenly expected me to be nice to cisgender men and to be friends with them.

As a trans man, let me dissect what it’s like to find the right guy friend. Let’s first take a look at all men. Let’s say, for instance, that 70% of men are transphobic to some degree. Suddenly, I am faced with only making friends with 30% of these remaining men. Out of these 30% of men, some will not have the same hobbies as me, share the same interests, share the same educational background, or be in the same age bracket as me. Only 5% of these men are similar to me in some way shape or form: they might like literature, they might be smart, they might have traveled to many countries, they might also have a twin, and they might be roughly the same age, or work in the same industry.

I have had many cis men as friends. But even among those woke, non-transphobic men, there are a few issues that arise. The first is that I have a difficult time talking about any surgeries with them or about my bottom dysphoria. In this same vein, it is difficult to talk to them about anything trans-related, because trans-related issues do not conform to cisgender culture. I’ve found that even the most well meaning, progressive men find talking about something like dysphoria awkward. Cisgender men are conditioned to make small talk about the NBA, poker, women, and football.

Perhaps I take issue with how all cisgender men are socialized, then. I’ve found that cisgender, straight men are conditioned to not talk about their emotions or have conversations about love or sex. As a former woman these types of conversations were very commonplace, either in the Yale women cross country’s locker room or in small group settings with female roommates.

It is hard to find a man who I can talk to about transphobia or bottom dysphoria. On that note, the best “male” friends I have in the current day are actually cisgender men who are secretly trans women. It’s shocking, at first, to learn that my close friend from college is secretly a trans woman. But then it’s enlightening, and it makes sense why they were so comfortable with me being trans to begin with. It’s sad, though, that the only “men” I feel the closest to are those who secretly don’t want to be men. It’s not sad in the sense that I don’t want them to transition —every bit of me wants them to transition — but it’s sad that I can’t get close to other cis men in the same way.

Most of the men I’ve talked about in this piece are straight, cis men, and I have neglected to speak about gay or queer cis men. In a previous piece for the Blade, I spoke of issues in gay men’s culture. I’ve found that there are many cisgender gay men who mean well for trans men, but that in another regard, a lot of cis gay men are socialized to cast social judgments and prioritize being skinny and fashionable instead of developing genuine friendships, especially when they are in their 20s and 30s. Instead, I’ve gravitated toward being friends with straight men mainly because I also harbor an attraction to women, and I do, admittedly, like to occasionally make raunchy and lewd jokes, and I feel less judged by straight men. Such a statement may come across as bold, but the truth is that I have very few gay male friends.

In any event, dissecting male friendships as a trans man is difficult and multifaceted, but worth it nonetheless. As a trans man, it’s fascinating to study other men, and in particular the ways in which they maintain, or don’t maintain, friendships. I am eternally perplexed by how some men make jokes and cut others out of friendship circles, but also happy that, at the end of the day, both straight and queer cisgender men can be accepting of someone like me.
 
“I’ve always been a man. My soul is male. My brain is male.”
“Why are men so difficult to get along with?”
Ah pooners. Never change. You’ll never infiltrate male social areas, and certainly never be “one of the boys”…
That Nora Vincent book/tv segment should be mandatory watching for women. They do not understand men at all and it takes this tall lesbian becoming a man the old fashioned way (dress up and acting) to get in these circles and kinda get a perspective of not only how male relationships work (very nice compared to women in some aspects) and also how utterly lonely it is.
 
I found though, that when I went on testosterone and started passing as a man all the time
Every pooner that passes does so right until the moment they open their mouth. They pass about as well as male trannies they just don't on average inspire the primal horror the MtFs do as pooners just look like round lesbians.

I've only met one in my life and it was recently only in passing, I didn't have the heart to tell her I knew damn well I was talking to a natal woman but I knew fucking instantly.
 
I don't watch anime so I don't know where they get their ideas on what guys are like
Pooners don't watch anime made by men for men and I don't mean the hentai. If there's not a scene of a group of burly men in well-pressed suits and ties smoking in a closed space or fancy car discussing business and/or politics, or even a scene of a man in the middle of porking some booty call while on the phone, or even just a group of soldiers silently sitting tense in a trench or mentioning their girl's feminine features are what's keeping them going, she's not watching a man's show and never will.
 
But even among those woke, non-transphobic men, there are a few issues that arise. The first is that I have a difficult time talking about any surgeries with them or about my bottom dysphoria. In this same vein, it is difficult to talk to them about anything trans-related, because trans-related issues do not conform to cisgender culture. I’ve found that even the most well meaning, progressive men find talking about something like dysphoria awkward.
Woman thinks that men's existence is supposed to conform to whatever best accommodates her; film at eleven.
 
Beyond when you're a kid and sex is a novelty and you stupidly think knowing what it is and gasp even having done it gets bragging rights...what adults just have it as a regular topic of conversation. I would be suspicious of anyone wanting to talk about it a lot with me. It would be creepy. Crass joking aside with certain friends. There isn't much to sex unless you're a weirdo and if you're in a committed relationship then it's for you and your partner. Their constant interest in the sex lives of other people is voyeuristic and insanely creepy to me.
 
I like how pooners will turn into grotesque greasy hairballs with Kermit the frog voices and horrifying hormonally grown clit dicks but still retain the very feminine belief that men are just emotionless, soulless automatons that can't think about anything but Football.
And are still uncomfortable around men and about male sexuality. Even if TiFs have been gender-confused since the day they came out of the womb, they still are the women they are. Case in point:
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See what I’m talking about. (And BTW, if given the chance, most women will fuck a manosphere incel before they fuck a TiF.)
 
That Nora Vincent book/tv segment should be mandatory watching for women. They do not understand men at all and it takes this tall lesbian becoming a man the old fashioned way (dress up and acting) to get in these circles and kinda get a perspective of not only how male relationships work (very nice compared to women in some aspects) and also how utterly lonely it is.
This. And even then, Nora only scratched the surface about what it's like to be a man, or growing up as one.



But sure, she can keep telling herself that chopping off her tits, getting a buzzcut and dressing up like Justin Bieber is all it takes to be "a man". :story:
 
She probably regularly rejects prospective female friends for not having twins and not having travelled abroad as often as she does anyway.

Obviously I have zero experience with female locker-room talks, but if girls talk about sex, they would make sure this weirdo isn't around.
 
When I first started transitioning to be a man I hated all cisgender men: they were the bane of my existence.
All trans people loathe the opposite sex. If they genuinely cared for their counterparts, they’d have empathy and would never be able to reconcile “living as” a man or woman.
Cisgender men are conditioned to make small talk about the NBA, poker, women, and football.
I know this violates every woman’s vanity, but I’ve literally never heard of men talking about women beyond “She’s hot,” or “What a bitch.” Women talk about people; men talk about action and activity.
On that note, the best “male” friends I have in the current day are actually cisgender men who are secretly trans women.
See my first response.
 
Beyond when you're a kid and sex is a novelty and you stupidly think knowing what it is and gasp even having done it gets bragging rights...what adults just have it as a regular topic of conversation. I would be suspicious of anyone wanting to talk about it a lot with me. It would be creepy. Crass joking aside with certain friends. There isn't much to sex unless you're a weirdo and if you're in a committed relationship then it's for you and your partner. Their constant interest in the sex lives of other people is voyeuristic and insanely creepy to me.
The only guy I know that just brings it up is a complete idiot. And very single.
Part of growing up is not sharing intimate details or wanting to know that a [name] likes a finger up her butt during sex. The lady you or your friend is dating might end up being a girlfriend or wife down the road. Me and my man-friends never talked about those thing but we have scratched our heads and talked about the stereotype that men supposedly do that. From the pop-feminist point of view we are anomalies but it turns out we're just normal white guys.
 
Funny how so much of this sounds like a woman describing the dating scene. For example, “So the first thing I did was eliminate a supermajority of potential candidates.”

This, so much this. Whatever the fuck it is now is literally searching for friends like it's online dating. That's not how it works, you answer an add on Craiglist to jam and then get fucking wasted on red wine and doobies, have a lot of fun and decide to do it again next week. You find people to race online who aren't slow 12 year old rammers in glitched leaderboard cars and you get to know them.

Men don't need the emotional acceptance of society, we don't need a 24/7 support system of spinster cunts lubricated with boxed wine to bitch at every night. When we make friends it's actually genuine, it's because two people find each others presense to be mutually beneficial in a hunt. Nobody stays up thinking about the validation of other men, you absolutely XX chromosomed retard. It's men holding their own weight, coming together to do things they could not themselves. Not a hairy woman with no tits latching on to some poor local retard who is too mind raped by democrats to shoe it away!

The only thing it really wants is co-dependence and it's sickening to witness. MtFs are easy to hate, and it's easier to feel sympathitic to an FtM... but the more I read the more I hate these entitled, deluisional dipshits too. Just be a woman if you are going to act like one anyway, you fucking retard!
 
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