Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[TruffleSpark]

Already nowadays many teens and young adults don't understand what I mean when I say that this idea of gender identity didn't exist when I was growing up and in my teens and 20's and we all survived to tell the tale. Or generally when I say I don't have "gender identity", I don't think this way. They genuinely don't understand. "But what do you mean? Gender identity still exists, even if you weren't aware if it? It's still exists, everybody has it. Maybe you are agender then". This scares me. "Gender identity" is such a regressive and destructive idea. I want it to go away, and I don't know if it will.

They really don't comprehend non-belief. I guess if they accept that other people don't need to believe in this stuff then they might have to start asking themselves why do they have to believe in it.

 

[Michael McDoesntexist]

Fuck those guys. Fuck the way they label any pushback as genocide. Fuck their threats that children will commit suicide if they can't be mutilated. Top hat me if you will, but there are good reasons why I'm a transphobe.

Being disgusted by evil and corrosive ideology just affirms that you have a strong moral foundation. You're gonna need it to endure the societal retardaion of the modern day, we all do.

 

[2SLGBQTIA+ 2 Furious]

Why the fuck would a feminist organisation change its name to cater for potential cross-dressing men?

I don't know about the rest of y'all folx but ~2018 seemed like the peak of people using "womxn". Weird trend that didn't seem to stick around as much as "TWAW" and pronouns in bio, probably because it's only really women that use it. Stumbled upon some university feminist group using it on X recently and it was the first time I'd seen it in ages, but maybe I'm wrong and it never went away in those circles.

 

[my penis is on fire]

For me it was the Reiko humbug on /r9k/ way back in the day. It disgusted me enough that I started looking into it deeper, and within a week I became God's strongest advocate for TTD

 

[Chappell's Lost Earring]

I met this woman through work. She helped organise these women-only adventure trips. The name of the org had a double x in it, like EXXperience or something. I thought it was a cool name, but she wanted to change it because it wasn't trans inclusive enough. This was in spite of the fact no transwoman had ever applied before.
"Trans women are women!", she said. Another voice in the room echoed this mantra I'd never heard before.
She was an extreme feminist, but she gave me a dirty look when I suggested that a tranny joining an exclusively female adventure would be a male entryist. Huh!?

@DreinMeinVein for some reason I cant quote you

That's scary to me, because that group sounds really cool, like something I would be interested in joining, and the thought of a tranny sneaking in to go on trips with the group would worry me. He could be creeping on you peeing in the bushes, or changing in the bathroom, or could do something to someone if you were doing overnight trips. I know there is safety in numbers, but it does give you a lot of chances to accidentally be left alone with him. Plus, co ed hiking groups usually move a lot faster than womens only groups (in my experience) so who knows what kind of dynamics that could bring up, if he were being pushy or not considerate of the women who need to move a bit slower. All speculation in the end, but there are a lot of dynamics here not accounted for other than "He's a woman too! he should be in a womens group!". Almost like the retardation of them being in womens sports.

I am in a few women's groups in my area, and I haven't encountered any trannies yet. When I was traveling, I did spot a tranny in the wild with a shirt that said "[City] Girls Hiking Group" or something in that vein. So he had infiltrated the exact same type of group I am in in my hometown. I know nothing is likely to happen in a group during a day hike, but I feel like it wouldn't be the same vibe as a group of all women. That is what gave us a sense of accomplishment. We were women only, doing these hikes together. It was empowering.

Just want to add, it is sad that we can't really do anything about them if they do join our groups either. We just have to either leave the group, or if there are enough people who are lowkey feeling the same, plan things secretly without him and the other pro-trans people knowing.

 

[Super Mario Brothers]

Yeah, you're both right unfortunately. I'm being too optimistic for my own good. Mere pushback won't be enough to get rid of them, and there won't be some magical awakening where they will stop or suddenly stop having positions of power. Slika is right that this issue seems to have an overwhelming consensus on both the left and the right in favour of troons.

I honestly don't see it lasting another 5 years, 10 if I'm being generous. Trannies are paper tigers, their only real line of defense is saying "That's transphobic!" You don't even need to say any mean words for them to crumble up, you just have to say "Pardon me, sir" and they are utterly defeated. It really only will take a little more pushback for the troons to eventually give up. Possibly just saying "no" to any more insanity would work.

What was the sacred cow of the previous two decades, 9/11? And now 9/11 memes are plastered everywhere to the point where it's not even edgy anymore, it's become safe edgy. I expect the next decade to produce some very interesting memes.

 

[Nick Obre]

You know, in my more pessimistic moments, I'm afraid we as a society stuck with this idea of "gender identity" from now on.

I hope, sincerely, that it'll pass and one day we'll remember it as we remember goddamn Indigo children or some shit. Just what it is, some made up bullshit they use to make themselves feel special. Used to be that they would claim some weird spirituality from the far east (actually made up or just grossly misrepresented or frankensteined by some scammer, in most cases; often fueled by drugs), or declare themselves psychics and witches and healers and empaths and so on.

Now they do this shit. Some of them do this shit and that shit as well!

But I do understand this shit has passed into the serious social conscious, into mainstream discourse, and into policy. None of that shit got this far. Hippie psychedelics almost did, at least in terms of attempting to capture science and policy, with only partial success for a while.
I trust we'll find our way out of the maze, but it'll take much longer to confine it to the loony bin of history where it deserves to be.

 

[DreinMeinVein]

@DreinMeinVein for some reason I cant quote you

That's scary to me, because that group sounds really cool, like something I would be interested in joining, and the thought of a tranny sneaking in to go on trips with the group would worry me. He could be creeping on you peeing in the bushes, or changing in the bathroom, or could do something to someone if you were doing overnight trips. I know there is safety in numbers, but it does give you a lot of chances to accidentally be left alone with him. Plus, co ed hiking groups usually move a lot faster than womens only groups (in my experience) so who knows what kind of dynamics that could bring up, if he were being pushy or not considerate of the women who need to move a bit slower. All speculation in the end, but there are a lot of dynamics here not accounted for other than "He's a woman too! he should be in a womens group!". Almost like the retardation of them being in womens sports.

My post was probably too long of a rant to quote in full. (Protip from a rookie: select a small section of text to reply.)

I agree with you about group trips. I'm not a spicy feminist, but (prior to learning of the name change) this adventure org made complete sense to me. It's not just that a group can only go as fast as its slowest member. Common courtesy has it that physically demanding jobs are given to the strongest pair of hands. Even among a group of men, if four bags need carrying the strongest man will select the heaviest bag. That's how it is. It's just one of those unspoken social norms.
In a co-ed environment this will naturally exclude women, thereby depriving them much of the satisfaction of getting a job done. Hence the brilliance of an all-female adventure team.

Add two trannies to a group of eight women, and what happens? Who ends up collecting most of the firewood? Who ends up hoisting the sail?
It's not that women can't do these things. They can definitely do it well enough. It's that subconsciously, unspokenly, the group dynamic sees the 6'2" 195lb males take on the grunt work. I've seen this happen countless times before, and it wouldn't change if the men were dressed in pink.

Adding males, however they identify, stultifies a female-only expedition.
Such a shame that women's chance to feel physically empowered is worth less than a troon needing to feel validated.

(ETA: remember, they didn't only want to include the TIMs – they also wanted to pre-emptively change the whole name of the organisation just in case any TIMs felt excluded. Proper peaking moment.)

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

Have any of you ever outed yourself as a
TERF at work, not saying anything offensive per s, but acknowledging that bio sex is more important than gender? I said something on Slack and thought it would go away but I am definitely treated differently by my colleagues who (and this gets my goat) have a shitty, self-aggrandizing work ethic that is anathema to me. It stinks and I don’t like it.

Knowing that I basically outed myself, I asked if I could make a gender critical feminism book list and was told that I couldn’t because it’s a “queer-friendly profession” it is also supposed to be free speech friendly profession. I also think it’s anti-woman. I’m not going to renege on my opinions. Can anyone who has been in a similar situation offer any tips? I really love my job and you would think that I work for GLAAD given how much trannies come up, but IRL they don’t. It’s the corporate people who are keen on rainbow things.

There are a bunch of female employees at my work who go by they/them (all under 25). There's also one who will accept he/him but I've only heard the most obnoxiously loud "ally" call her that.

However, I've heard all of these employees referred to as "she" or "her" by others, sometimes to their face, and not one has said "actually it's [pronoun]". I only know about the they/them thing from hearing other young coworkers or their friends say it. All of them present as typical females except for the one that likes "he/him," but that's more due to unfortunate facial genetics and a bad haircut than an attempt at real transitioning. This is as close to "reasonable" as it gets for genderspecials, so there's no real reason for me to have an issue with it apart from mild bemusement.

There is one TiM who goes by a stripper name and wears certain kinds of women's clothing (nothing inappropriate for our workplace but very uncomfortable to see, I don't want to self-dox so I can't go further into detail) but he works a much later shift than I do so I've only seen him a couple of times (and only once in the women's wear). He's made no other effort to transition except for growing his hair long, but it's lacking any style, so he just looks like a man with long hair. I'm pretty sure he's gay so he's not a real danger to women, but I'm glad I don't see him a lot because I don't think I could choke out his stripper name when referring to him. Luckily I am also notoriously bad with names, so I could just pretend to forget if I was forced to make reference to him in some way.

 

[Michael McDoesntexist]

Another observation, this time about the FTMs, who I seem to be the 1 person here who managed to have more experience with them than the typical AGP man in a dress (I've only seen those freakshows very briefly in passing IRL). While they're not as malignant as the MTFs (barring the trend of femcels troonmaxxing and becoming mass shooters getting worse) is that they simply can't handle even the thinnest veneer of manhood, yet they believe they have the right to define what manhood should be. At least when Norah Vincent did her experiment, she was honest enough to admit she was sorely mistaken in her assumption of what men and masculinity truly was. This is a minor thing in comparison, but another turd thrown at the wall to see what sticks in the continual psyop against healthy masculinity. Women cannot define healthy masculinity for men, just as men cannot define healthy femininity for women, we can only truly relate to the experiences of our own sex and comprehend what works in practice for the differing social dynamics of ours. This is why trooning is a pale imitation of what actually being the opposite sex is even under the best of circumstances. Rather than wearing the opposite sex like a skinsuit, a more healthy way to relate to them would be to just act in good faith around each other and not reflexively dismiss problems you have no realistic chance of ever experiencing. Faking it like MTFs do with periods is giga cringe.

And yeah, both men and women need spaces exclusive to their own sex (if troons won't drop the act, they should just be banned from both tbh) so that they can work through their own problems their way in peace. I for one lament the erosion of male only spaces where men can mentor boys and support one another through hard times without the fear of being seen as weak or defective by women around us and I believe most men would agree that men's collective mental health has suffered for it just as women lament the erosion of women's only spaces due to the perverts using it as easy access to prey (as in all things, male feminists and "allies" are not to be trusted).

 

[DreinMeinVein]

Have any of you ever outed yourself as a
TERF at work [...]
Can anyone who has been in a similar situation offer any tips?

One time, a few years back, a client mentioned "LGB... and gender stuff."
I replied that the last bit is bollox, and she shushed me – one finger on her lips, the other pointing upstairs.

Another time, different team, we'd just met with an obviously female client with a name like Jennifer. My bossman handed me his phone to read an email from this Jennifer woman. No new info, but the email signature was from Jennifer (she/her).
I didn't know his level of based back then. I hovered, visibly disgusted. But I was too chickenshit to take the conversation to the next level. I regret not saying what was on my mind. Hey-ho.... maybe next time.

I'm too coward to burn bridges with clients. I've dunked on trans shit to my friends and loved ones for years. I've signed up to The Farms. Call me a nancy, but with regards to work I'm only willing to hint at my gender critical beliefs.
Hopefully things are getting better now. I think I'll be braver in the future.

We can always show St Peter our anti-tranny receipts. I can rub them in the faces of friends who took longer to peak.
When it comes to work and money, slowly hint at what you think. I simply can't afford to burn bridges. Everyone knows I'm a no-nonsense type, but at work I'm only interested in the job at hand.
Yours sincerely, a bit of a coward.

...Unless you're JK Rowling. She doesn't have to give a shit. God bless her for saying the truth.

 

[Rainbow Child]

I for one lament the erosion of male only spaces where men can mentor boys and support one another through hard times without the fear of being seen as weak or defective by women around us and I believe most men would agree that men's collective mental health has suffered for it just as women lament the erosion of women's only spaces due to the perverts using it as easy access to prey (as in all things, male feminists and "allies" are not to be trusted).

This is essentially my critique of the TERF bullshit. Like, it's okay for you to turn womanhood into a costume, and basically live your life as a man in a dress, but it's not okay for him to do the same thing?

Like, I get it, women are supposed to be self-centred; so the double-standard makes sense from a psychological point of view. But women are supposed to be self-centred because they're supposed to be the centre of the family. So as a matter of justice, I can't tolerate it. You're the original tranny, you forsook your calling to chase your desires, and you have the hypocrisy to whine when others follow your lead.

Just lots of manipulation, confession through projection, and reputation destruction to maintain the privileges of both men and women without the obligations of either, and a meat grinder of white knights willing to put their money where your mouth is.

Someone in some thread this week said something like, "everyone is his or her own devil". Troons as the devils of TERFs makes sense. They're your hideous shadow that reminds you of yourself. They're your doppelgänger. Fix yourself, become a real woman, show trannies what that is and how they can never be that, and you'll be truly peak trans. Until then, you're just invading men's spaces and leaving the woman's space to pile up with wine bottles and take out boxes.

 

[Dick Johnson]

I honestly don't see it lasting another 5 years, 10 if I'm being generous. Trannies are paper tigers, their only real line of defense is saying "That's transphobic!" You don't even need to say any mean words for them to crumble up, you just have to say "Pardon me, sir" and they are utterly defeated. It really only will take a little more pushback for the troons to eventually give up. Possibly just saying "no" to any more insanity would work.

What was the sacred cow of the previous two decades, 9/11? And now 9/11 memes are plastered everywhere to the point where it's not even edgy anymore, it's become safe edgy. I expect the next decade to produce some very interesting memes.

It's been fascinating to see how quickly mainstream society, media, business and politics has turned on trans people. Looking back, you could see the tell-tales that indicated a shift in the winds over a year ago. It was kind of slow, with bits and pieces that would give some indication to people who were only peripherally engaged with the issue (like how corporate Pride stuff was dialed back this year after Line Going Up for years, or like how the presidential candidate who was VP for the most openly pro-LGBT president was quiet on LGBT stuff). But after the election it's been like a stretched rope snapping, and it's hard not to come away with the impression that a lot of people were fed up with trans activism and goals and had been for a while now.

My biggest concern is that the way we go about rolling back the trans stuff doesn't end up re-victimizing trans people and thus swinging public sympathies their way again. Stuff like the Congressional bathroom bill is a dumb sideshow, and I think that having politicians yelling 'trannies trannies trannies' is counterproductive. If Nancy Mace wants to really have a positive effect on this particular issue, she should have reworked FL's 'Don' Say Gay' bill for introduction in the upcoming session. It would have passed easily, and would likely strengthen public support for further measures limiting gendershit in public schools, thanks to the TRAs shrieking that they were being genocided by not being able to influence children.

 

[schzo]

At some point I noticed how there's an overwhelming number of "transbians". Almost every troon I ran into was a lesbian/bi/poly MTF with male-brained interests. Then I found out about AGP and it confirmed to me that I was right - they are mostly very troubled men. I think genuine transgenders probably do exist, but they are few and far between, and they tend to keep a low profile.

 

[Michael McDoesntexist]

I find it near impossible to take TERFS and 2nd wave feminists seriously. People like Nancy Mace are especially egregious offenders here, her whole ticket to fame was ignoring the sacred nature of sex-exclusive spaces to get into that military academy and now she's mad that the troons are doing the same thing to her. Now I won't claim her offense is as heinous as what troons are doing, but her and her ilk set the stage for this very behavior with their actions in the 60s-90s.

This ties nicely into what @Rainbow Child said. Whether they know it or not, in their assertion that men and women are equal in capability or are in any way interchangeable, they created and finished day continue to bolster the very argument that gives tons legitimacy. The only way to truly destroy this legitimacy is to take a sledgehammer to the false god that is equality. Anything less and you're just reverting to the old patch of liberalism with the very exploit troons used to hack their way in still being present.

 

[Rainbow Child]

Alright, let's not derail the thread. It's enough to say that you haven't reached your peak if you've merely plateaued, and leave it at that. Let the demons screech now.

I find it near impossible to take TERFS and 2nd wave feminists seriously. People like Nancy Mace are especially egregious offenders here, her whole ticket to fame was ignoring the sacred nature of sex-exclusive spaces to get into that military academy and now she's mad that the troons are doing the same thing to her. Now I won't claim her offense is as heinous as what troons are doing, but her and her ilk set the stage for this very behavior with their actions in the 60s-90s.

This ties nicely into what @Rainbow Child said. Whether they know it or not, in their assertion that men and women are equal in capability or are in any way interchangeable, they created and finished day continue to bolster the very argument that gives tons legitimacy. The only way to truly destroy this legitimacy is to take a sledgehammer to the false god that is equality. Anything less and you're just reverting to the old patch of liberalism with the very exploit troons used to hack their way in still being present.

The TERF Thread can be found in Community Watch the Stinkditch, too, apparently.

 

[Michael McDoesntexist]

Maybe I'm just being autistic, but I think there was a misunderstanding somewhere here. I'm saying that the liberal idea of equality that feminists use to claim that men and women are functionally interchangeable is what gives troons legitimacy in the eyes of the public. I think this is fundamentally incorrect and that more people would hit their peak if they come to this realization. I want troon ideology to be delegitimized, but I don't see that happening with the concept of equality that most westoids have. It's a fundamental building block in their narrative (as well as of other ideologies in desperate need of dispelling like socialism).

 

[2mm and 99 others]

Plus, co ed hiking groups usually move a lot faster than womens only groups (in my experience) so who knows what kind of dynamics that could bring up, if he were being pushy or not considerate of the women who need to move a bit slower.

He can go first his own speed on his own and leave the rest behind, he's not a proper part of the group anyway and this will spare them his obnoxious presence, they don't have to listen to a man and they don't need him. But actually going faster would deprive him of the girls' company.
But I doubt that's gonna be the case. Any male troon would spend a lot of time taking selfies and aesthetics pics (photographers always slow down a group a lot), and the ones on HRT would whine about their creaky knees and fucked up back, post-op ones will need pauses for dilation and pissing because of chronic UTIs.
An ungainly autistic troon is also more likely to cut with axe into his leg, than into the wood. He's there to look at the girls, not to do adventures and hard work, after all. Were he there for an adventure, he wouldn't troon out in first place.

 

[Dolly Brooks]

I honestly don't see it lasting another 5 years, 10 if I'm being generous. Trannies are paper tigers, their only real line of defense is saying "That's transphobic!" You don't even need to say any mean words for them to crumble up, you just have to say "Pardon me, sir" and they are utterly defeated. It really only will take a little more pushback for the troons to eventually give up. Possibly just saying "no" to any more insanity would work.

What was the sacred cow of the previous two decades, 9/11? And now 9/11 memes are plastered everywhere to the point where it's not even edgy anymore, it's become safe edgy. I expect the next decade to produce some very interesting memes.

Troons falling out of favor with Facebook is a death knell for sure. They could barely contain wrongspeak on Reddit in the weeks following the election, and now you’re finally allowed to call a creepy man a creepy man on Facebook main? It’s over for real, and that’s why they’re screeching endlessly about genocide. I imagine the liberal response to Trump banning minors from transitioning—or at least, discouraging providers from providing “gender-affirming care” if they want to remain eligible for Medicare funds—will be a collective shrug. You’ll have the 6 or so freaks turning up to town hall or whatever but that’s it. Even the most #resist libs are tired of their shit but have been too scared to think or admit that.

 

[Jacques1194]

I honestly don't see it lasting another 5 years, 10 if I'm being generous. Trannies are paper tigers, their only real line of defense is saying "That's transphobic!" You don't even need to say any mean words for them to crumble up, you just have to say "Pardon me, sir" and they are utterly defeated. It really only will take a little more pushback for the troons to eventually give up. Possibly just saying "no" to any more insanity would work.

Like above said, Facebook is now allowing you to criticize and make fun of trannies. Also if Indians do replace TIMs in tech work then I wont be surprise if a lot of pro trans bots will be removed from Twitter and most pro trans tweets wont have something like 100k likes on them. The only reason TIPs seem to have a lot of support online is because a lot of TIMs are in tech. I will say though that I do wonder what will happen in blue states like California and New York because both those states have the biggest pro trans laws and a government that doesnt care if a TIM rapes a woman in prison or if a TIM boy beats several girls in sports.