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I doubt Bibi would agree to Biden team deals when he has a sane pro Israel guy coming in a week. Only time will tell!
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Even if the Biden administration is pushing for a deal, the Israeli government can tell the Biden administration to fuck off for another 7 days.
I'd be shocked if any hostages are still alive by this point. No doubt any deal will likely fall through the moment whatever is left of Hamas can't actually provide anybody alive.
Trading dead hostages for living prisoners is retarded though if that's somehow agreed to like I remember being discussed previously. They should throw living sandnigger terrorists feet first into woodchippers for their "return" to Gaza.
We'll see though.
I'd be shocked if any hostages are still alive by this point. No doubt any deal will likely fall through the moment whatever is left of Hamas can't actually provide anybody alive.
Trading dead hostages for living prisoners is retarded though if that's somehow agreed to like I remember being discussed previously. They should throw living sandnigger terrorists feet first into woodchippers for their "return" to Gaza.
We'll see though.
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Most information right now are rumors so I’ll wait on making judgement, but I also won’t rule out the scenario where they agree to get hostages back then resume bombing once the clock runs out.
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I know ICC and UN are complete jokes, but can Israel even do that? I don’t understand why it’s not possible to simply arrest the terrorists again once all the hostages are secured. Boggles the fucking mind how you’re expected to play fair as if it’s a sports game and not a war with terrorists.
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If they want to, yeah, nothing would stop them. The rules based order of the UN and ICC is dying, diplomacy is reverting back to its cold original state.
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I hate to be the one that goes "there", but I wouldn't put it past Hamas to be giving a few of the female prisoners the Yazidi treatment.
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Except the difference is that the Israelis will kill for their woman.
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I have heard from telegram groups over the course of recent negotiations that it was posited that freed terrorists would not be allowed to return to the strip, that they would be exiled. It sounds too good to be true and I don’t understand the logistics of finding a country that would take them in. It’s not like Israel would negotiate directly with Iran. It also could be a loss in translation, and that what was discussed was the exile of extant Hamas leaders in Gaza. Everything is rumor and speculation until a deal is signed I guess.
I am in favor of the execution of convicted terrorists going forward to eliminate some of Hamas’s motivation for hostage-taking.
I am in favor of the execution of convicted terrorists going forward to eliminate some of Hamas’s motivation for hostage-taking.
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Every country that said Israel was committing a genocide should be required to take in a share of Palestinian prisoners
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So, what's the chances the ceasefire actually happens? Let's not kid ourselves, it won't, wether trump is president or not, and if it does it's gonna end up like lebanon where lebanon can't fight but israel just keeps on punching anyway.
So im not holding my breath for that one tbh
So im not holding my breath for that one tbh
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For the criminal case against Israel will they release more information about the decision tree leading up to each strike/action. If they are autistically cataloguing every reason linked to a military engagement and present that to the court it would probably prove that certain actions were justified. Most people have been forming opinions based on the outcome, with no information on the lead up to a strike or the military necessity.
It would be interesting to see what the like-for-like defence for Hamas would be. I doubt they attempt any verification or confirmation of target before taking action. But then we would have to pretend that the ICC has any effect on Hamas or their operations.
I only recently discovered the work of the Ask Project - interviews with Israelis and Palestinians about topics related to the conflict. The recent outlook isn't good:
It would be interesting to see what the like-for-like defence for Hamas would be. I doubt they attempt any verification or confirmation of target before taking action. But then we would have to pretend that the ICC has any effect on Hamas or their operations.
I only recently discovered the work of the Ask Project - interviews with Israelis and Palestinians about topics related to the conflict. The recent outlook isn't good:
- Israeli citizens don't care about Gazan civilians anymore, not even children.
- Palestinians want forever war until all of Israel is destroyed and total Jew removal.
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I can't see a deal being made last minute, especially not a bad one, with Trump just about to take power.. Israel would have to be legit RETARDED to do so. This is Biden's last gasp at trying to save face and they have no reason to help.. Especially at a cost to themselves.
If they do, then i suspect there is some back room bullshit going on.
From the things i've been able to gather from friends and others over there.. outside of a few thousand deranged family members and the leftists.. Any agreement to a deal releasing terrorists would be the end of the current government. And since the corrupt inter-nat arab puppet orgs like the UN and a lot of western governments would basically default to never seeing a dangerous terrorist, the list of demand freed is likely to be full of them.
LOL Based and in before this is treated as some sort of hate crime up there!
If they do, then i suspect there is some back room bullshit going on.
From the things i've been able to gather from friends and others over there.. outside of a few thousand deranged family members and the leftists.. Any agreement to a deal releasing terrorists would be the end of the current government. And since the corrupt inter-nat arab puppet orgs like the UN and a lot of western governments would basically default to never seeing a dangerous terrorist, the list of demand freed is likely to be full of them.
LOL Based and in before this is treated as some sort of hate crime up there!
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This is the big change. Pre war you'd have the majority if the populace at least pretend to care. Post war any humanitarian idea connected to the Palestinians died, people are sick and tired of their shit, they aren't going to change and sure as hell they won't educate their children to change.
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Reminder that the majority of the people slaughtered and kidnapped on October 7th were one of the following -
- Liberal hippies at a rave dancing for peace and love who’d probably be no different to any other self hating anti-Zionist Jew in Tel Aviv if they hadn’t been at the festival.
- Liberal kibbutzniks who live on the strip precisely because they’re strong believers in coexistence, and most of them even dedicated their lives and free time to help Gazans. Be it giving Gazans with permits work, driving sick Gazan children to Israeli hospitals, and doing peace promoting activism.
These are the people who suffered the most. Not right wing, religious fundamentalist illegal settlers, but the people who were most on Palestine’s side. Any Jew or Israeli who still puts Palestinian lives above those of Israelis is by definition a traitor to their country. Imagine if the UK refused to fight back against German bombardments because “muh women and children!! Not all Germans!! We just haven’t asked them nicely enough to stop.”
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No one cares about the ICC/ICJ anymore. they're a propaganda arm and that is clearly seen by the Irish asking them to expand the definition of genocide so they can get a conviction.
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Ron Ben Yishai gives his opinion on the hostage deal
Under current conditions, this is the best deal you could get. Analysis from Ron Ben Yeshai
On the one hand, the deal to release the hostages, which is expected to be signed soon, will allow the release of most of the living hostages and will preserve Israel's ability to exert military and humanitarian pressure on Hamas to release all the hostages in the second phase. On the other hand, the price of releasing thousands of Palestinian terrorists could endanger Israeli citizens. Still, the deal's advantages, including the political ones vis-à-vis Trump, outweigh its disadvantages.
The emerging outline also creates a strong incentive for Hamas to continue releasing all the hostages it holds because the current deal already includes several clauses that relate to "the day after." Another advantage is that the ceasefire and the increased humanitarian aid that will be received during it will create pressure on Hamas to complete the deal by releasing all the hostages from the Gazan population, most of whom are living in almost inhuman conditions in the Al-Mawasi shelter areas in the southern Gaza Strip.
The deal is also good from the Israeli perspective because it allows the State of Israel and the IDF at any given moment to increase pressure on Hamas to make it meet its obligations. The most significant clause in this matter is that Israel did not commit to ending the war after the first phase. Therefore, the continuation of the fighting is hoisted like a whip over the heads of Hamas senior officials until all the abductees, living and dead, are returned.
Contrary to claims heard among some in the Israeli public, the intensified military pressure that the IDF has exerted in the northern Gaza Strip in recent months is the main lever that has caused Hamas to become flexible and realize that it is better for it to close a deal now than to lose thousands more of its men when the army could advance in a maneuver into Gaza and destroy it to the ground.
The IDF, after the first phase of the deal, has an increased ability to create pressure on Hamas to release the hostages even if the organization's senior officials want to leave at least some of the "soldiers" as human shields near them. The IDF will remain in the perimeter, that is, in the security strip about a kilometer wide on the edge of the Gaza Strip, and from there, it will be able to act quickly, within hours, if Hamas violates the deal or even if it drags its feet in implementing it.
Humanitarian aid is another means of pressure that Israel has on Hamas, and when US President-elect Donald Trump replaces outgoing President Joe Biden, aid to Gaza will no longer be taken for granted, neither in its scope nor in its composition as it has been until now. For Hamas, this will be a severe blow since humanitarian aid is its principal instrument of control over the civilian population and also for recruiting additional activists.
The concessions Israel made during the deal, partly due to pressure from Trump's envoy, Steve Witkoff, give Israel political and military advantages that it did not have while President Biden and his people were in the White House. It can be assumed that Israel will now have a listening ear to its proposals and requests for armaments and equipment for the IDF, and most importantly - American assistance is expected to normalize relations with Saudi Arabia and the security arrangements that Israel demands in Syria. The situation there has not stabilized, and Trump, whose wish is to end the war before he enters the White House, may help Israel put pressure on Turkey and, thereby, on the new Islamist government in Damascus.
The Trump administration will also be more attentive to Israel's requests, positions, and proposals regarding the continuation of the struggle to thwart Iran's nuclear weapons project. Trump already hinted yesterday that "there will be trouble" if they do not reach a deal, and it seemed that he was directing his remarks not only at Hamas - but also at Israel. Now, it appears that the Israeli agreements to a hostage deal that would end the war in Gaza, as Trump wanted, may give us many political and practical advantages in relations with the US and with Western countries in general.
Along with all of this, it should be noted that the deal also has flaws that should not be ignored. The release of thousands of Palestinian murderers could strengthen the ranks of Islamist terrorist operatives who were depleted during the war in Gaza, Judea, and Samaria. Although the serious murderers will not return to Judea and Samaria and Gaza but are supposed to go to Turkey, Qatar, and perhaps even Egypt, where they will be under supervision, it is pretty clear that the Mossad, Shin Bet, and the IDF will have to maintain close supervision over the released individuals, wherever they are, to thwart their intentions to carry out attacks and subversive activities.
Finally, there is a danger that Hamas, like last time, will try to outsmart and deceive, the second phase of the deal will not take place, and not all the hostages will be released. The defense establishment and the intelligence community are aware of the negative implications for the security of the citizens of the State of Israel that the hostage deal will have. As far as I understand, they are already preparing to respond.
Under current conditions, this is the best deal you could get. Analysis from Ron Ben YeshaiOn the one hand, the deal to release the hostages, which is expected to be signed soon, will allow the release of most of the living hostages and will preserve Israel's ability to exert military and humanitarian pressure on Hamas to release all the hostages in the second phase. On the other hand, the price of releasing thousands of Palestinian terrorists could endanger Israeli citizens. Still, the deal's advantages, including the political ones vis-à-vis Trump, outweigh its disadvantages.
The emerging outline also creates a strong incentive for Hamas to continue releasing all the hostages it holds because the current deal already includes several clauses that relate to "the day after." Another advantage is that the ceasefire and the increased humanitarian aid that will be received during it will create pressure on Hamas to complete the deal by releasing all the hostages from the Gazan population, most of whom are living in almost inhuman conditions in the Al-Mawasi shelter areas in the southern Gaza Strip.
The deal is also good from the Israeli perspective because it allows the State of Israel and the IDF at any given moment to increase pressure on Hamas to make it meet its obligations. The most significant clause in this matter is that Israel did not commit to ending the war after the first phase. Therefore, the continuation of the fighting is hoisted like a whip over the heads of Hamas senior officials until all the abductees, living and dead, are returned.
Contrary to claims heard among some in the Israeli public, the intensified military pressure that the IDF has exerted in the northern Gaza Strip in recent months is the main lever that has caused Hamas to become flexible and realize that it is better for it to close a deal now than to lose thousands more of its men when the army could advance in a maneuver into Gaza and destroy it to the ground.
The IDF, after the first phase of the deal, has an increased ability to create pressure on Hamas to release the hostages even if the organization's senior officials want to leave at least some of the "soldiers" as human shields near them. The IDF will remain in the perimeter, that is, in the security strip about a kilometer wide on the edge of the Gaza Strip, and from there, it will be able to act quickly, within hours, if Hamas violates the deal or even if it drags its feet in implementing it.
Humanitarian aid is another means of pressure that Israel has on Hamas, and when US President-elect Donald Trump replaces outgoing President Joe Biden, aid to Gaza will no longer be taken for granted, neither in its scope nor in its composition as it has been until now. For Hamas, this will be a severe blow since humanitarian aid is its principal instrument of control over the civilian population and also for recruiting additional activists.
The concessions Israel made during the deal, partly due to pressure from Trump's envoy, Steve Witkoff, give Israel political and military advantages that it did not have while President Biden and his people were in the White House. It can be assumed that Israel will now have a listening ear to its proposals and requests for armaments and equipment for the IDF, and most importantly - American assistance is expected to normalize relations with Saudi Arabia and the security arrangements that Israel demands in Syria. The situation there has not stabilized, and Trump, whose wish is to end the war before he enters the White House, may help Israel put pressure on Turkey and, thereby, on the new Islamist government in Damascus.
The Trump administration will also be more attentive to Israel's requests, positions, and proposals regarding the continuation of the struggle to thwart Iran's nuclear weapons project. Trump already hinted yesterday that "there will be trouble" if they do not reach a deal, and it seemed that he was directing his remarks not only at Hamas - but also at Israel. Now, it appears that the Israeli agreements to a hostage deal that would end the war in Gaza, as Trump wanted, may give us many political and practical advantages in relations with the US and with Western countries in general.
Along with all of this, it should be noted that the deal also has flaws that should not be ignored. The release of thousands of Palestinian murderers could strengthen the ranks of Islamist terrorist operatives who were depleted during the war in Gaza, Judea, and Samaria. Although the serious murderers will not return to Judea and Samaria and Gaza but are supposed to go to Turkey, Qatar, and perhaps even Egypt, where they will be under supervision, it is pretty clear that the Mossad, Shin Bet, and the IDF will have to maintain close supervision over the released individuals, wherever they are, to thwart their intentions to carry out attacks and subversive activities.
Finally, there is a danger that Hamas, like last time, will try to outsmart and deceive, the second phase of the deal will not take place, and not all the hostages will be released. The defense establishment and the intelligence community are aware of the negative implications for the security of the citizens of the State of Israel that the hostage deal will have. As far as I understand, they are already preparing to respond.
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From the river to the sea, Israel shall be free.
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From the river to the sea, Palestine will not be.