2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[Scrumption]

Also what the hell is going on with Iran

From what I learned from speaking to an expat with immediate family living in Tehran, there are two major contributors to the energy crisis. First is that something like year or two ago a bunch of “mysterious” explosions occurred affecting the gas lines in Iran. Not to Jew-post but it smells like Israel’s doings.
Second is that Iran is experiencing an economic crisis. The Iranian Rial inflation is at an all-time high. As of today, 1 USD=813,500 IRR. I think that part of the reason is that Iran spends billions on foreign proxy wars and funding international terrorism. The result of this financial crisis is that Iran lacks the money to pump and process its own oil and create its own energy.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

From what I learned from speaking to an expat with immediate family living in Tehran, there are two major contributors to the energy crisis. First is that something like year or two ago a bunch of “mysterious” explosions occurred affecting the gas lines in Iran. Not to Jew-post but it smells like Israel’s doings.

It probably is

Second is that Iran is experiencing an economic crisis. The Iranian Rial inflation is at an all-time high. As of today, 1 USD=813,500 IRR. I think that part of the reason is that Iran spends billions on foreign proxy wars and funding international terrorism. The result of this financial crisis is that Iran lacks the money to pump and process its own oil and create its own energy.

How the hell is the country even still afloat?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

My favorite thing are the people who do not realize that Israel is the "Lead test balloon" to America's interests. If they succeed at going after Israel, they WILL go after the USA for the same bullshit.

I don't even get how those kangaroo trials supposed to work. You'd need to get some pretty in depth footage in order to:
* Identify the soldier with 100% certainty.
* Show that he is directly causing a war crime.
* Show that he is intentionally causing a war crime.

At best maybe the first 2 can be 100% proven and you can bet the Israeli army won't cooperate with the investigation. So the plan is just arresting random Israeli soldiers on shitty phone videos? I don't think any country had to suffer that kind of insane standards.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

I don't even get how those kangaroo trials supposed to work. You'd need to get some pretty in depth footage in order to:
* Identify the soldier with 100% certainty.
* Show that he is directly causing a war crime.
* Show that he is intentionally causing a war crime.

At best maybe the first 2 can be 100% proven and you can bet the Israeli army won't cooperate with the investigation. So the plan is just arresting random Israeli soldiers on shitty phone videos? I don't think any country had to suffer that kind of insane standards.

The idea is that you go after Israel first because it's an easy target. then when the United States inevitably invades or attacks Iran or China or whatever then you can go after them for the bullshit claims you went after Israel for. remember this is also the same court that's willing to lie and change the definitions of long international norms in order to get the conviction they want. it's a kangaroo court.


you have to remember that the Palestinians are purely reactionary they don't think, to them they believe that Israel is committing against genocide and so any soldier is also compliant in the genocide. when in reality, even under the Nazis or the serbs that was never the case. you don't charge every single person for genocide. you can charge individual people for genocide. as much as my emotions don't want me to believe it, The fact the matter is that a German soldier who spent his entire time on the Isle of Jersey only to be stood down at the end of the war when the Nazis surrendered is not equal to the SS card of a death camp.


The real story is that the Palestinians never expected Israel to invade the Gaza strip. they thought what would happen was that they wouldn't commit their acts of wanton and violence and terror, and that the Israelis would commit to an air campaign or maybe a minor incursion for a few weeks and then the Democrats would pressure them to stop, at which the Palestinians would force the Israelis to trade nearly all of their prisoners for the hostages and for the Israelis to accept an Iranian nuclear state.

 

[DumbDude43]

I don't even get how those kangaroo trials supposed to work. You'd need to get some pretty in depth footage in order to:
* Identify the soldier with 100% certainty.
* Show that he is directly causing a war crime.
* Show that he is intentionally causing a war crime.

At best maybe the first 2 can be 100% proven and you can bet the Israeli army won't cooperate with the investigation. So the plan is just arresting random Israeli soldiers on shitty phone videos? I don't think any country had to suffer that kind of insane standards.

>assemble an army of 'human rights' activists as expert witnesses
>they all testify that israel is a racist colonialist imperialist apartheid state that routinely engages in genocide
>anyone who willingly works for a genocidal criminal organisation like that can be considered complicit in genocide

something like that. for a political court conducting a show trial, there's lots of room for creative arguments.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The idea is that you go after Israel first because it's an easy target. then when the United States inevitably invades or attacks Iran or China or whatever then you can go after them for the bullshit claims you went after Israel for. remember this is also the same court that's willing to lie and change the definitions of long international norms in order to get the conviction they want. it's a kangaroo court.


you have to remember that the Palestinians are purely reactionary they don't think, to them they believe that Israel is committing against genocide and so any soldier is also compliant in the genocide. when in reality, even under the Nazis or the serbs that was never the case. you don't charge every single person for genocide. you can charge individual people for genocide. as much as my emotions don't want me to believe it, The fact the matter is that a German soldier who spent his entire time on the Isle of Jersey only to be stood down at the end of the war when the Nazis surrendered is not equal to the SS card of a death camp.

The question is what is even the ICC strategy, even if they are Islamic puppets they need to at least pretend to do a fair trial, and you can't do that from phone videos.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

The question is what is even the ICC strategy,

Get/stay relevant, it's as stupid as that

even if they are Islamic puppets they need to at least pretend to do a fair trial, and you can't do that from phone videos.

Never said their strategy was a smart or moral one. If they had any morals they wouldn't be in this position. I feel like the ICC wants to "run out the clock" on this Israeli issue, and they hope that the war will end before they are "forced" to do anything.

>assemble an army of 'human rights' activists as expert witnesses
>they all testify that israel is a racist colonialist imperialist apartheid state that routinely engages in genocide
>anyone who willingly works for a genocidal criminal organisation like that can be considered complicit in genocide

something like that. for a political court conducting a show trial, there's lots of room for creative arguments.

Also, the Israel genocide is just a reboot of the Zionism is racism thing the UN tried to pull back in the 1980s, when being anti-apartheid was all in vogue.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

>assemble an army of 'human rights' activists as expert witnesses
>they all testify that israel is a racist colonialist imperialist apartheid state that routinely engages in genocide
>anyone who willingly works for a genocidal criminal organisation like that can be considered complicit in genocide

something like that. for a political court conducting a show trial, there's lots of room for creative arguments.

They had trouble doing this in the Nuremberg Trials. Outside the Doctors Trials or the obvious cases, it turns out that it's difficult to come up with a legal theory for criminalizing "international human rights violations." You have a guy on camera telling soldiers to kill a bunch of noncombatants? Okay, that's easy, because they knew that was wrong according to even their own rules beforehand. But when you have a political leader or just a functionary in a machine that does bad things, it's actually very difficult to try them. The solution is what the Soviets did—at the banquet before the trials began, they proposed a toast to the conviction and execution of the people who had not yet been tried and found guilty.

Point being, they won't care about any system of justice and would use the court proceedings as just a rubber stamp on a predetermined outcome. At least the Soviets didn't try and wrap up what they were doing in fancy words and retarded academic theory to try and trick others.

 

[EyeGuy]

The use of the term “settler” is, in many cases, a misnomer. The West Bank is divided into three administrative areas with 1 of the three being under the complete administration of Israel. Secondly, some of these so called settlements were actually Jewish localities that Arabs ethnically cleansed of Jews in the 1900s, so they are being re-inhabited. For example, Kfar Etzion was established in 1927. Its Jews were expelled in 1948 and it was re-inhabited in 1967. At this point it’s 3 generations old. These are brick and mortar sites, not tent villages.
Then there is also the fact that the areas were all Jewish at one point, so they could be seen as being re-settled.
Arabs and misinformed westerners are lead to have this vision of Israelis bulldozing down Arab villages and erecting settlements in their place.

It's a meaningless term in any case, since every Jew living in Israel is a "settler", like this woman (Tamar Edri, 75) from Nahariya who succumbed to her wounds from Hezbollah rocket fire today:

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

They had trouble doing this in the Nuremberg Trials. Outside the Doctors Trials or the obvious cases, it turns out that it's difficult to come up with a legal theory for criminalizing "international human rights violations." You have a guy on camera telling soldiers to kill a bunch of noncombatants? Okay, that's easy, because they knew that was wrong according to even their own rules beforehand. But when you have a political leader or just a functionary in a machine that does bad things, it's actually very difficult to try them. The solution is what the Soviets did—at the banquet before the trials began, they proposed a toast to the conviction and execution of the people who had not yet been tried and found guilty.

Point being, they won't care about any system of justice and would use the court proceedings as just a rubber stamp on a predetermined outcome. At least the Soviets didn't try and wrap up what they were doing in fancy words and retarded academic theory to try and trick others.

Well that's what made the Holocaust so easy to prosecute (as compared to other genocides). It was planned and executed in an industrial and professional manner, thus making it easy to tell what's going on, they left a paper trail. In most genocides the "orders" were done either by word of mouth or there was an explicit understanding of "what needed to be done" in a sudden explosion of violence. Yes it happened under the Nazis but there is a reason people remember the death camps and not the shooting pits where most Jews ended up.



Traditionally when you get a genocide (like what happens in Africa) you turn to your commander and he goes "alright we know what needs to happen to these [insert ethnic group here] let's make sure we don't have this problem again ". And then they/you kill them. or it looks like what the Arabs did to the jews on oct 7. just walking in and killing all that moves

 

[EyeGuy]

Lebanon:

Lebanese media report Israeli airstrikes in the village of Houmine al-Faouqa, in the Nabatieh District.

The village is located north of the Litani River, some 17 kilometers from Israel's border.

There is no immediate comment from the IDF.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

https://archive.is/QT9md

lmao

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

According to Israeli media, there might be a ceasefire in the coming days. I fear that once again Israel will cuck and release thousands of terrorists, including Hamas higher ups and put some worthless UN peacekeeping force that will leave the second things go hot (if not cooperate with Hamas). The media is already going full force with demoralisation campaign on why we should just leave because the war is "unjust" and the Palestinians are dindu victims.

It's all so tiring.

 

[regalterry]

According to Israeli media, there might be a ceasefire in the coming days. I fear that once again Israel will cuck and release thousands of terrorists, including Hamas higher ups and put some worthless UN peacekeeping force that will leave the second things go hot

That's not them cucking out, that's them deliberately releasing combatants with the full knowledge they will commit more attacks in the future, thus justifying more land grabs.

 

[Scrumption]

Once they get the hostages out, they can probably just steamroll Hamas without having to worry about the condition of the hostages. So there’s that.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Once they get the hostages out, they can probably just steamroll Hamas without having to worry about the condition of the hostages. So there’s that.

No we agreed to a cease-fire for a few months. I'm fucking livid. we should at least control half of the strip. i want the north.


Seriously this shit will happen again and again and again. Push the arabs to the sea they get one city and that's it.

 

[Scrumption]

No we agreed to a cease-fire for a few months. I'm fucking livid. we should at least control half of the strip. i want the north.


Seriously this shit will happen again and again and again. Push the arabs to the sea they get one city and that's it.

Rumours say the ratio of convicted terrorist to hostage will be 50:1. That includes convicted mass murderers. Not possible to confirm any of the terms of the potential deal at this time though.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Once they get the hostages out, they can probably just steamroll Hamas without having to worry about the condition of the hostages. So there’s that.

Not really, this war was the one time Israel had full justification for full on entry into Gaza. After this war it's once again the status quo of a rocket attack and retaliatory bombardment until the next time they pass over a red line and it will need to be a pretty massive one to return Israel to Gaza.

I hope whatever reward Biden dangled to Bibi will be worth it.

Rumours say the ratio of convicted terrorist to hostage will be 50:1. That includes convicted mass murderers. Not possible to confirm any of the terms of the potential deal at this time though.

I legit will campaign for mandatory death sentence to terrorists after the war is done. If the Gazans want to continue holding hostages the best solution is not giving them anything to bargain for.

 

[celebrityskin]

According to Israeli media, there might be a ceasefire in the coming days. I fear that once again Israel will cuck and release thousands of terrorists, including Hamas higher ups and put some worthless UN peacekeeping force that will leave the second things go hot (if not cooperate with Hamas). The media is already going full force with demoralisation campaign on why we should just leave because the war is "unjust" and the Palestinians are dindu victims.

It's all so tiring.

We don't really know what's happening for sure atm, besides Israel has offered plenty of favourable ceasefire deals in the past only for Hamas to reject them so I bet it's another one of those.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

We don't really know what's happening for sure atm, besides Israel has offered plenty of favourable ceasefire deals in the past only for Hamas to reject them so I bet it's another one of those.

From how it sounds in Israeli media it looks like it's Joever. Biden wants to end it before Trump gets to office so he can have a single W under his belt, at least I won't be alone in being assblasted once whatever terms Biden gave to israel come to light. Either it's massive funding to recover economically after the war (which did a lot of damage and probably will continue in the following year), or, probably likelier, a joint attack on Iran in the following months to decapitate the last hydra head.