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Armies are becoming much more locked into specialized subfaction half-armies with these sort of rules, rather than encouraging people to build diverse custom lists.
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- Thread starter Great Unclean Chris
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I mean the issue had always been that unlike marines, in order to make a krieg/valhallan/mordian etc etc range of models, theyd need to effectively make them for every guard infantry model they sold, for it not to look retarded. (as i stated in my previous post)
so command squads, infantry squads, rough riders, scout sentinels, heavy weapons teams, and veteran squads (i.e kasyrkn) thats also not factoring in the abhumans who currently are modeled in cadianesq equipment
thats a lot of models to produce for no real reason besides grogs being mad they cant play the special snowflake regiments like marines can (ignoring the obvious thing that the main difference between a dark angel and a space wolf besides colour scheme can be put on a single sprue they can flog to you)
Its only now that geedubs has said fuck it guard armys just get to look like you vomited out their guard range onto the table. so it wouldnt surprise me if in the future when they redo the chimera that they will make some steel legion dorks to sit in it.
This is absolutely the issue. There's been greybeard grognard guard players for ages bitching about how they want unique special snowflake rules for cadians, catachans, valhallans, vostroyans, krieg, mordians, steel legion, praetorians, and on and on and it was never going to be possible for GW or any company to have all of that in production all at once.
So instead they just made basic ass cadians the default and told everyone to just use the detachments/army/whatever rules are in the codex. So what happened? More people bitching nonstop about how all the models are always cadians, cadian this and that.
Ok, fine. Refresh cadians, refresh krieg, probably have a catachan refresh coming for 11th, they're the most popular models, krieg is now plastic too, give them all unique rules and they'll be happy. No they're not happy because now the generic squads people were running and pretending were mordians or whatever, or the mordian STLs or recasts they've been buying the past few years can't be proxied as generic squads so now there's more outrage even though there's more specific support for more regiments. And of course for the tournament scene the "counts as" thing GW put at the end of the warcom article isn't a rule so you'll get people claiming their 3 different generic looking squads are one of each regiments squads which the tournament organizers aren't going to put up with, now enraging even more guard players.
Honestly at this point I bet GW wishes they could hit the damned reset button just for guard, re-launch the entire thing as cadian uniforms only, and tell people from the start to just treat them like fucking space marines in different colors. No matter what GW does, there's going to be a contingent of the guard players just universally bitching about one thing or another with unreasonable demands, and no compromise GW comes up with will ever settle it. Primaris guard, they all have the same uniforms now, problem solved.
daniel day
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GW could probably primaris-ify guard by printing generic bodies then adding unique add ons. All cadian bases, with like 6 different upgrade sprues. At the end of the day, the Imperial Guard is a military force. Seems kind of odd they have different uniforms for baseline units that arent in different roles. You could also easily slap on a gas mask and rebreather pack and call it a Krieger, or print sleeveless/torn sleeves and a bandana and call it a Catachan. If GW was feeling extra based they could sell the upgrade sprues as a seperate box, so you either build CHADians or fork up the dough. Ive heard Space Marines called the subscription service, but you could build a 2000 point SM list for ~$500 if you really get lucky and arent too picky. Guard is a certified mortgage payment if you want anything other than tanks.
Or, you know, they could ignore the Fudds of the Warhammer hobby. Whatever works.
Or, you know, they could ignore the Fudds of the Warhammer hobby. Whatever works.
The problem with that, is all of the regiments would require different bodies, heads for those wearing hats/helmets, different arms to go with the torsos, at that point you're making an entire separate kit aside from maybe legs, but even that doesn't work as the krieg legs wouldn't match catachans, which wouldn't match cadians, and then boots of mordians, and so on. The grognards would lose their shit if they were told to stick a steel legion gas mask on a cadian body and be told "get fucked, here's your steel legion".
Shit, there's so many regiments, I forgot Tallarn, Tanith, Elysians...
Ignoring the fudds of the hobby would be great, but it won't happen unfortunately.
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I read in one of the rulebooks or guard codexes kitbashed guard regiments that were literally that. Krieg Legs on Catchan Torsos with WFB Knight Helmets or somesuch nonsense. It was blatantly GW trying to say "go make /your dudes/ of your own specific regiment, the Imperium is insane and there are infinity number of these out there."
Which is what I thought GW was doing until I heard that the Guard fell victim to Variant Marine Syndrome -- aka Special Snowflake Disease. What an incredibly stupid move. The rules should be as regiment agnostic as humanly possible, but I guess doing so would enable 3rd party sellers and STLs and they can't do that, eh.
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It's been argued they'd be far more powerful if they did.
Also their births are related to Terra history and Eldar.
Sure, but GW also told people to make land speeders out of empty deodorant sticks at one point. They haven't done that for ages. And as far as special snowflake rules, they aren't willing do that without models because of the chapterhouse lawsuit, so they're stuck trying to appeal to the people who want everything and doing a halfassed job in the process.
Really most of the people who have been bitching at them about guard for ages would be better off if they'd shut up and just go play a ww1 or ww2 historical already.
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Warp used to be universal or even multiversal. It was bigger than the universe and 40k and Fantasy were just reality bubbles on its top.
Orks can easily, skip to a random galaxy if a mekboy does a fucky wucky. But it is orks, even if the galaxy has no sentient life, there will be orks to fight soon enough.
Orks can easily, skip to a random galaxy if a mekboy does a fucky wucky. But it is orks, even if the galaxy has no sentient life, there will be orks to fight soon enough.
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Like many other things I like, the hyper-competitive hardasses and rules lawyers dampen the fun and creativity.
There's a reason I keep my tabletop friend group small. If someone is gonna let minutia get in the way of enjoying the game, then they're not worth playing with in the first place.
There's a reason I keep my tabletop friend group small. If someone is gonna let minutia get in the way of enjoying the game, then they're not worth playing with in the first place.
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Does the warhammer streaming service have a rating system? I can't imagine all the recent additions to the lore are very popular with some scant exceptions.
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Rating system or not the latest half year report actually showed an increase in subscriptions to Warhammer+ to over a million users.
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"Throne damn it! First the Commissar says to 'make the tank more OSHA compliant' without elaborating, then executed us for 'heretical' markings!"
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They exist across all reality, we just dont see it because the setting is self contained. No need for the writers to go and say "yes theres khornate factions on galaxy m28353bt" if we will never see it.
The codexes make clear the gods' gaze spam all time and space, Eldrad says its pointless to leave the galaxy because Slaanesh would just follow them, and Dead Sky Black Sun shows a vision of a galaxy consumed by Khorne worship.
The Ork thing is a mix of fandom. The probe is never said to actually had left the galaxy, its a relic from the 90's, when it was originally stated that the probe was made to circle the entire universe, yes, you heard it, the probe was supposed to reach the end of the universe and them go around it before coming back.
I actually got a refund for Warhammer + once I told GW that their garbage website cant load the PDFs from the vault in any relevant speed. On mobile it takes over 10 minutes to load Imperial Armour vol 1, and after that it will load the pages 1 by 1. Vault also is dead, 2024 passed with less than 10 releases, which seemly its because theres only a single person doing it, and instead of , you know, using a pre existing digital copy, the person needs to get the physical content to scam them because GW is afraid someone will read a rule of a system they dont even support anymore, so they butcher the Imperial Armour releases.
That and TV only being avaliable on 12 countries, mean you just got almost no content to be worthy over a month.
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I thought that the warp was calm outside of the galaxy implying that warp travel wouldn’t be possible due to them not moving, this implies the chaos gods were largely central to our galaxy.
winderson_silva
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Not really, the warp is calm because theres no life, wherever theres life, the warp will be active.
Warp travel is possible outside of the galaxy, the Imperium made multiple expeditions to outside the galaxy, up to the satelite dwarf galaxies, as well Admiral Ursus in M35
Warp travel is possible outside of the galaxy, the Imperium made multiple expeditions to outside the galaxy, up to the satelite dwarf galaxies, as well Admiral Ursus in M35
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It just seems strange to me that the Gods would have the power to influence the entire universe fed by one galaxy. Slaanesh didn't exist until the Eldar birthed him and now the whole universe suffers from Slaanesh demons? Why are there not other galaxies creating other universe spanning Gods? Imagine if one day we see demons spawning in our galaxy because somewhere in galaxy m28353bt they birthed a 5th chaos god. It also makes me wonder why they would care so much about our galaxy when there are potentially infinite galaxies to feed from. I know that chaos will always hunger for more, but why such an intense response to stopping the Emperor's plans at all costs? It's just one galaxy.
Sending a probe to circle the universe is exactly the kind of over-the-top bullshit that made me love 40k. It's retarded and completely unnecessary. That's why it's great.
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I'm sure they have influence in other galaxies and corners of the universe, but the Milky Way is the setting, and thus becomes the focal point of Chaos' incursions into realspace.
You have to stay within some worldbuilding boundaries, lest it become (gag!) like the SCP foundation.
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We will never get an answer in the lore, but I can theorize.
The Warp is a different dimension than our reality. Drawing power from the Warp allows you to do things that are not possible with the laws of physics. Yet the Warp corrupts reality. Proper rites and skills are needed to prevent more of the Warp from leeching into, changing, and ultimately replacing reality when drawing power from the Warp.
The Cicatrix Maledictum can be seen all across the galaxy even though it should take light years for it to be seen!
Imagine the effects an entire galaxy engulfed in the Warp. Perhaps a scientist in a distant galaxy sees a bright, disorientating light through a telescope. It vanishes in seconds, but the scientist notes that such light was millions of light years further than had ever been seen before. What power could be behind that light?
And with that, the Gods have a new galaxy of souls to claim. And then another. And another.
winderson_silva
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Because they don't matter. Really, it's irrelevant to the setting. There may be a quintillion galaxies taken by chaos and another septilion eaten by the nids, and it doesn't matter.
As far the setting cares, they don't exist. We know chaos extends across it all, and that's as far we are supposed to care. Nurgle made all decease in the universe. Does it means we will see an esoteric disease that only affects plasma minds from Andromeda? No