Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

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When will the Judge issue a ruling regarding the Motion to Dismiss?

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I'm actually surprised Russ hasn't managed to scrape together some kind of objection to the judge's recent ruling by now. I'm thinking he's suffering the mother of all narcissistic injuries and has completely shut down, incapable of processing what has happened to him. You know he always believes 100% that every one of his half-assed, poorly thought out schemes are going to eventually go his way. That he will come out on top in the end, and completely oblivious to the fact that he hasn't come out on top EVER and the number of times things have gone the way he wanted them to is exactly ZERO. And while everyone with two braincells to rub together can see failure coming from a mile off, Shit-Lips always gets completely blindsided by the painfully obvious and is shocked when it comes crashing down on top of his saggy homunculus noddle.
 
What happens when he doesn't pay up in two weeks?
I guess thats up to the Judge

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So, question for the law-types:
What would happen in a normal case if an attorney made a discovery request and the response left out information that he knew should be in there?

Like, let's imagine Attorney A asks for the opposing party's history of lawsuits, like Hardin did, and Attorney B sends back a response that is missing a bunch of lawsuits. Let's assume it's out of genuine ignorance or incompetence, not Greer-style recalcitrance. How does A fix this? Does he tell B to try again? Complain to the judge? Or what?
 
Meh, wait until Hardin submits his expenses. That will make his eyes clang together.
Yeah, I don't think Greer realizes how much it will be. He's probably thinking about the court fee for filing the documents and that's about it, maybe another $10 an hour of time, and since Hardin is a professional lawyer all the stuff he's filed probably only took a couple hours total. Hardin said he didn't charge Null for the missed meetings, so those won't be included.

I bet Greer thinks it'll be around $100 tops, and it'll get deducted from what Josh owes him, but Josh will still owe him so not much changes from Greer's perspective. We won't see the Greer spergout until after he sees what the damages are.
 
In call girl slang it was known as a door dash. Some of the girls called it a knock and drop. Generally it entailed oral sex, and seldom advanced beyond the entree of a client's residence. It was usually all over in five minutes and was the last resort of men with meagre finances, who were clinging on to their sex lives by the tips of their fingernails.

“Fuck Bidenomics, eh,” her previous client had said, the moment after he ejaculated into her mouth. Afterwards, he had attempted to pay her in small change. Mickey had strong-armed him to the nearest coinstar and charged him triple, though she had received the same rate.

“Okay honey where'd you want it,” she said to the homunculus who stood, hunched over at the shoulders, in the doorway.

His attire was simultaneously both over the top and slovenly, like some guy whose prom date hadn't showed. The red sequinned jacket was too small to accommodate the overhang of his belly. His face looked like it had been carelessly pinned on. One hand held out a cellophane-wrapped bouquet of gas station flowers. She recalled something an experienced whore had told her when she first came to Vegas: “I've lost count of the girls from the sticks who think they're gonna be fucking Richard Gere all day. What they actually get is variations on Napoleon Dynamite.”

Behind her there was a screech of tires. A man dressed in a grey suit was out of the passenger door of the lead vehicle before it stopped.

“5-0?” she said, as he advanced towards her at a clip, holding out a sheaf of documents.

“Ma'am, step away from the John.”

She moved to one side, allowing him access to the doorway.

“Russell Greer. You're a hard man to locate,” said the agent. He thrust the paperwork at him, seemingly unconcerned as to whether or not it was read. “Pursuant to court order, we are garnishing this prostitute that you have hired to provide sexual services. As of now, any contractual agreement that existed between the pair of you is null and void.”

Reaching into his jacket pocket, the agent produced a silk sash with the word GARNISHED printed on it.

“If you could just wear this, ma'am,” he said to the call girl. “Over one shoulder, like you've just won a beauty contest.”

Obediently, she slipped the ribbon over her head, her fingers unkinking a twist in the shiny fabric, as it settled around her.

“My client requires that you sing 'Onward Christian Soldiers' from this hymn sheet,” said the agent, “After which all outstanding debts, related to this current transaction, will be considered legally absolved. If necessary, I can hum the tune for you.”

“I know it from my church days,” she said.

In the doorway, Greer was mumbling something about plights and trauma lumps.

“Six, I'm seven,” he said.

“Yeah, you're a real sick fuck,” murmured the agent. His words were almost drowned out by the rising soprano of the call girl.

“Damn, that girl's got one beautiful voice,” said Agent Buckman, from the drivers seat of the support vehicle.

Alongside him, Agent Rodriguez nodded. “I'd like to garnish her a little myself, if you know what I mean.”

Buckman stared at him in disgust. “Agent Rodriguez, may I remind you that, less than 24 hours ago, your wife gave birth to your first daughter.”
 
Hardin said he didn't charge Null for the missed meetings, so those won't be included.
It doesn't really matter. All those legal activist organizations who do it for free for their clients? They get to collect fees too. The issue is something called quantum meruit, and it's the value deserved for the work done. Whether the client paid for any or all of it is almost immaterial.
 
I'm actually surprised Russ hasn't managed to scrape together some kind of objection to the judge's recent ruling by now. I'm thinking he's suffering the mother of all narcissistic injuries and has completely shut down, incapable of processing what has happened to him. You know he always believes 100% that every one of his half-assed, poorly thought out schemes are going to eventually go his way. That he will come out on top in the end, and completely oblivious to the fact that he hasn't come out on top EVER and the number of times things have gone the way he wanted them to is exactly ZERO. And while everyone with two braincells to rub together can see failure coming from a mile off, Shit-Lips always gets completely blindsided by the painfully obvious and is shocked when it comes crashing down on top of his saggy homunculus noddle.
Russ truly is the cultured man's BossManJack. The aged wine juxtaposed with the crackarooski.

Russ fails so much harder over quite a long time frame with actual stakes and consequences.

I only wish Kiwifarms wasn't his latest victim, if for no other reason than the only way we will get a person stream about him now is if he dies or goes to prison for murdering a hooker.
 
I doubt Russell could scrape even $500 for lawyer fees now. What happens when he doesn't pay up in two weeks?
Commonly failure to pay something finally ordered by a court gets reduced to an enforceable judgment, could get a contempt of court finding, depending. If the behavior that caused fees to be awarded continues or has continued, additional sanction-y things can happen with the litigation itself. Not providing cites, specifics, or commentary, or any other thing, bc someone has a due date coming up and can do his own research.

So, question for the law-types:
What would happen in a normal case if an attorney made a discovery request and the response left out information that he knew should be in there?

Like, let's imagine Attorney A asks for the opposing party's history of lawsuits, like Hardin did, and Attorney B sends back a response that is missing a bunch of lawsuits. Let's assume it's out of genuine ignorance or incompetence, not Greer-style recalcitrance. How does A fix this? Does he tell B to try again? Complain to the judge? Or what?
Well, if he knew and omitted it, it's not ignorance, is it? If a bona fide mistake (truly did not know of anything despite appropriate diligence/reason to know) ideally B discloses immediately to A/the Court on realizing the error. If B won't, A can take it to the Court, as here. There's an analysis for rule 37 sanctions. Russell tried to argue the justifications and failed (you can see the Court's analysis in the Order). It doesn't have to be willful, but a single, un-recalcitrant error by an otherwise forthright and cooperative attorney and immediately cured would not likely result in sanctions.

But in this case, the current Order wasn't about Russell's withholding a huge portion of his litigation history (...) , but rather about his witless witness shenanigans.
 
It doesn't really matter. All those legal activist organizations who do it for free for their clients? They get to collect fees too. The issue is something called quantum meruit, and it's the value deserved for the work done. Whether the client paid for any or all of it is almost immaterial.
Lawyers still deserve to get paid for their work. That’s what these sanctions are about. It has nothing to do with what he charged Null. It has everything to do with what Hardin rightfully deserves to be compensated with.
I meant from Greer's perspective: I don't think that he thinks the bill will be that high, and for those reasons. I imagine that Hardin would include them, and that he would charge more than $10 an hour, and that he's going to list more than a couple hours.
 
I meant from Greer's perspective: I don't think that he thinks the bill will be that high, and for those reasons. I imagine that Hardin would include them, and that he would charge more than $10 an hour, and that he's going to list more than a couple hours.
The original show cause order was about paying Hardin's fees for ONE motion to exclude, so Russ might more reasonably think the 225 and the motion even out, if he isn't aware he's now on the hook for 7 months!
 
I meant from Greer's perspective: I don't think that he thinks the bill will be that high, and for those reasons. I imagine that Hardin would include them, and that he would charge more than $10 an hour, and that he's going to list more than a couple hours.
I'm sure he has a low estimate of how much time it takes to file competent legal filings, since his idea of how to do it is you simply pound out a bunch of incoherent gibberish in 20 minutes 3 days after the deadline.
 
So, question for the law-types:
What would happen in a normal case if an attorney made a discovery request and the response left out information that he knew should be in there?

Like, let's imagine Attorney A asks for the opposing party's history of lawsuits, like Hardin did, and Attorney B sends back a response that is missing a bunch of lawsuits. Let's assume it's out of genuine ignorance or incompetence, not Greer-style recalcitrance. How does A fix this? Does he tell B to try again? Complain to the judge? Or what?
It depends on Attorney B's follow up. Keep in mind if Attorney B is simply representing his client. And the client fails to tell him everything, such that Attorney B didn't know about a case. He will strive to correct things quickly in the back and forth of discovery. Remember in a normal non retard infested lawsuit, both parties have lawyers and they talk. Having to go back and find more info or filling in missing info during the discovery process is normal. This is what all this "meet and confer" process is supposed to be about. If something gets missed and is quickly corrected, no harm no foul. Worst case both parties will request a little more time to sort it all out.

Now if Attorney B's client is being deliberately obtuse, and hiding shit. Or not being up front with his own Attorney, such that it causes a ton of work and costs for Attorney A and his client. Client B may get slammed for those legal costs. If Attorney B is deliberately hiding shit he will share in the sanctions.

If Client B is the moving party, the plaintiff, and he's playing discovery games and hiding shit, the Judge is likely to dismiss the whole mess with prejudice. And assign him oppositions legal costs.
 
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