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Here is a SS of Watch Duty’s map of the Moss Landing fire as of 6:45AM PST. You can see the hotspot clearly on the map.


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Here is a SS of the Palisades fire as of 6:48AM PST. Zero hotspots but the fire is listed as 31% contained. Where tf is the fire?!
 
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blue gopher snakes said:
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Here is a SS of Watch Duty’s map of the Moss Landing fire as of 6:45AM PST. You can see the hotspot clearly on the map.
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Judging by that map, the Tesla batteries are on fire:
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Elkhorn 115 kV​

Utilities in California are required by a 2013 law to provide significant battery storage by 2024. Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E) asked the CPUC to approve four energy storage projects located at Moss Landing including another large lithium-ion battery storage system of 182.5 MW / 730 MWh ("Elkhorn") to be provided by Tesla and owned and operated by PG&E, connecting to the regional 115 kV grid.
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The news disputes this, but if you look at where the hotspot is, it's clearly over the northern batteries:
Vistra sells the electricity stored there to PG&E, which also owns a separate 182-megawatt battery storage plant on the north side of the site that has 256 Tesla “Megapack” battery packs. That facility did not appear to be burning by 8 p.m.
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This is also the fourth fire at Moss Landing:
The facility has been the site of other fires before.

Fires broke out at the Vistra plant on Sept. 4, 2021, and Feb 14, 2022. Investigations showed that they were caused by a malfunction in a fire sprinkler system, which released water and caused several of the units to overheat.

Then in September 2022, a fire broke out at the PG&E Elkhorn battery plant. Police closed Highway 1 for 12 hours. An investigation found it was caused by an improperly installed vent shield on one of the 256 units, which allowed rainwater to get in and short out the batteries. There were no injuries to firefighters, PG&E employees or the public.
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Toolbox said:
Yes, not to be outdone by LA, San Francisco's Moss Landing power plant presumably went into thermal runaway.

Take that, EVs! Here's an unprecedented amount of lithium ion batteries roasting.

It's been burning for hours, steadily. Not growing but not shrinking.
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Kari Kamiya said:
Please God, set fire to another costal Cali city for the meme magic.
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You know what, I'll take it. It's in San Fran, and even though it'll not jump, a bunch of EV batteries have gone up in smoke and will be burning for quite some time.
 
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Betonhaus said:
The batteries are perfectly fine, it's just pure coincidence that the heat spot seems to be directly overtop where the batteries are installed with no known unrelated fuel sources.
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Pure coincidence. It's not like batteries are highly reactive chemicals in a metal case. It's way better for the environment than burning natural gas, or heaven forbid, use a nuclear reactor.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
I'm thinking he wouldn't deny it knowing full well he'd be exposed pretty quickly.
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Have you seen him lately? He claims he's a top Diablo 4 and Path of Exile 2 player in the world. Which is obviously false and he got called out instantly. He is perfectly happy to lie about shit that doesn't matter. He'll happily lie to cover his ass on something that matters.
 
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David Brown said:
Have you seen him lately? He claims he's a top Diablo 4 and Path of Exile 2 player in the world. Which is obviously false and he got called out instantly. He is perfectly happy to lie about shit that doesn't matter. He'll happily lie to cover his ass on something that matters.
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You think video game trolling is the same thing as this?
 
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You think video game trolling is the same thing as this?
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In my opinion, he's too stuck up his own ass and prideful to make a meaningful distinction between the two. He spent his Christmas break getting into twitter arguments for hours over H1B visas and told everyone to fuck their own faces if they didn't agree with him. He lies and scams and can't let anything go if his feelings are hurt. So I am more likely to think he really is lying if it seems like he's lying.

But that's just my opinion.
 
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I wonder if Newsome is prolonging the evacuation orders to give his lawyers more time to draft the land offers in addition to applying more leverage in the negotiation process. It's probably a lot easier to buy someone's burned down house before they start planning the rebuilding process.

Besides slimey government being a slimey government, I wonder how many people are going to stay. Particularly in the Palisades. These people are wealthy and on the older side. How many will choose to spend their twilight years in a LA construction zone. I knew people on the upper middle class side who moved over small things like frequent power outages. This will be the least of the inconveniences Palisades residents will have. Even if they say they are going to stay and rebuild now, I just can't imagine wealthy people are ready for that level of adversity. These people would freak out if erewhon were out of their favorite bougie smoothie. Putting up with constant government harassment to sell their land along with living in basically a former war zone with no guarantee a fire of this magnitude won't happen again in the next 10 years. I just don't see it.
 
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Kane Lives said:
Could you explain this to us uneducated peeps? What's wrong with putting batteries where they were at?
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Fires inside masonry buildings get much hotter, basically guaranteeing more batteries in the building enter thermal runaway than otherwise.
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Aside from DOD (yes, that DOD)
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NSWC Crane has probably the best managed white oak timber stand in the country. I know DOD has an island full of Live Oak somewhere in Florida too.
quaawaa said:
Judging by that map, the Tesla batteries are on fire:
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The fire is in the long building between the two large stacks and the Tesla batteries
 
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Briananderson1138 said:
Surely you could put those combustible lithium batteries in a containment structure from which the air could be evacuated, right? Right? Idiots.
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Once cells in a battery pack begin rupturing, the fire becomes self-oxidizing. Firefighting foam does nothing to an EV fire. The only way the fire stops is when cells stop rupturing. The enclosures for these grid batteries should probably be designed to be flooded like the dunk tanks towing companies have started buying for storing at-risk EVs.
 
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