Kingdom Come Deliverance - Or how I stopped worrying about SJW and love Bohemia | Now with betrayal and a lot more niggers. "Historically accurate." BlackRock ruined the series.

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

Will it run like shit though? And have idiotic saving mechanics? All I remember from the many hours of the first one I played was having to mod in free saving and the AI pathing causing the FPS to tank, supposedly.

 

[Old English Roast Beef]

What I am genuinely curious about is how people felt about the Theresa DLC in the first game. I was not a big fan of it, because it felt like "the feminist DLC", and I had to reevaluate if I dislike it because it's boring or because I have become so anti-feminist over the last decade, that even a hint of what appears to be a "strong, female character who needs no man" makes my knee jerk.

Sure it was the feminist DLC, it was literally called A Woman's Lot. In the same way the game made a point of inserting ethnic conflicts (Bohemian, German, Cuman) or religious (Catholic, upcoming Hussites, witchcraft) or class-based (nobles and peasants). But like those it was good, in part because it was historically appropriate.

Especially in Johanka's quest, which is the better than Theresa's, it appropriately emphasized the importance of women in religious movements despite having no clerical role.

I had the same feeling about another late medieval game, Pentiment. It's not hard to see that there was some kind of diversity goal, but even so it can be done in a period-appropriate way and make a good game.

 

[#lurker]

mod in free saving

I really don't understand people who do this. The game autosaves often, you can save using beds, and you can buy or make your own save potions. You don't need to save every 5 minutes, and skirting around this ruins the design of the game.

 

[Foltest]

I like A Womens lot dlc.
Theresa is not a warrior at all and if you try to fight the Cumans headon, you are fucked every which way you can.
Need to sneak around them when they attack the village and I do enjoy seeing what Theresa did before the attack. Going on her chore, having a crush on Henry etc etc.

 

[Hermiöne Granger]

Vavra pretty much confirms the gay scene on Facebook. Insider gaming said that there are some romantic conversation options with a same sex character. Which means this scene probably involves Henry, which is a RETCON to appease the alphabet mob. Varva used to be very transparent with fans, and always strive for historical accuracy. Look at him now, dragged this out for days because he knew the pushback. Its clear FAGhorse Studio shifted tactics and got MASSIVELY sneaky, when they got under the Embracer group. Anybody who is tired of these bait and switches needs to vote with their wallets. To still buy this tells Vavra and Faghorse that this is acceptable and they can do it again.

 

[Halmaz]

If wasn't the singular black guy or the bullshit gay sex rumor from ass blasted Hajis, you retards would be up in arms about something else.

Sorry, but that's bullshit and another disingenuous statement. If these leaks never saw the light of day, there would be barely any discussion in this thread, as this game doesn't seem to interest a whole lot of people. I mean, we are on page 37 and the past 16 were almost solely dedicated to discussing and squabbling over the leaks. Keep in mind, this thread is for both the first game and also the upcoming sequel and it was opened back in 2018.
Based on the previews the game looks like a better looking, more polished version of KCD1. If these leaks never appeared, or they were proven to be false by the devs, or it turned out the game was completely free of niggers and fag sex after its release, there would be absolutely nothing to be up in arms about.

was not a big fan of it, because it felt like "the feminist DLC"

I don't really see what's so feminist about that DLC. Granted, I played the game back in 2019, so my memory is a bit spotty. I'm currently replaying the first game, but I have yet to start the DLC quests. If I recall correctly, as Theresa, you had to do chores around the house, until shit hit the fan, then sneak around to avoid cumans. Maybe stab a few of them in the back. The only reason she doesn't end up gang raped, because Henry, a man, saves her by distracting the assailants. After that she just tries her best to survive. Theresa doesn't run around in full plate armor, defeating hordes of cumans with a long sword, while she berates the lousy men who fail to protect Skalitz. I do not rtemeber much of Johanka's quest, she was having dreams which she interpreted as omens and Henry had to help her on her spiritual journey, or something like that. All in all, the DLC did not offend me at all and I was pretty right wing by 2019, after witnessing 3 years of unhinged liberal hysteria over Trump.

really don't understand people who do this. The game autosaves often, you can save using beds, and you can buy or make your own save potions. You don't need to save every 5 minutes, and skirting around this ruins the design of the game.

The game is/was full of bugs and it sucked you had to lose several hours of exploring and questing, because you got hopelessly stuck in geometry while having no schnaps in your inventory, or the game crashed before you got to a save point.

 

[Krayt Dragon]

Hurting? How is he hurting from that? Getting butthurt from internet critic and discussion is faggot behavior. He could just have said yes or now instead of being vague.

Hurting not in the sense of physical harm or butthurt. I guess I should have said "hurting your own side". I wrote a lot of wordswordswords again, so read them if you're interested.

Spoiler: wordswordswords

Hurting in the sense of diminishing legitimacy of your side in the public eye, damaging game sales of an anti-woke game (they are up again btw) and celebrating that fact for the slightest "infraction", and with that potentially alienating people from your own camp. It's our own little purity spiral, I guess. It makes us not look like concerned citizens with clear demands and expectations, but like dogs chasing cars.

Someone said this outlook is consequence-free: If they are wrong they get to play a cool vidya, if they are right they get to laugh at the people who defended the game, but it isn't free of consequence just because the consequence is not a personal one and is unquantifiable. The public is watching this meltdown and I have seen a lot of people who are anti-woke who are embarrassed by this display. Leftists are pointing and laughing at the infighting going on and using it to bolster their own side, with arguments like " Yeah, well, these are the same people who do x or claim y".

Next time there is a legitimate grievance with a game pushing an actual agenda, people may be more skeptical of the claims despite them being 100% true. The average gamer doesn't understand how powerful this new Gamergate movement is, but game developers are scared of you. I want them to be scared and woke content to be stamped out of video games and the world as a whole, and it has been progressing really well, but oversensitivity like this runs the risk of diluting what "woke" actually means, making the public perception of anti-woke go back to the leftist claim of "They just hate black people" and the pendulum will swing back. It's also going to be tough for developers to do right by the gamers if they get hounded so quickly, especially when it's targeting a studio that not only has no history of putting woke stuff in their game, but actively rejects the whole concept. "What more do gamers want?" It's the same mistake the leftists made, which ultimately led to them not being catered to anymore and all the projects that did in the past years have failed spectacularly.

Will all of this happen just because of this KCD2 drama? No, the game is still going to be a huge success, and everything will continue as it has, but if this is not reflected upon, this direction will ultimately lead to failure. And I lament the fact that people will very likely not reflect upon it afterwards... and it will happen again.

I really don't understand people who do this. The game autosaves often, you can save using beds, and you can buy or make your own save potions. You don't need to save every 5 minutes, and skirting around this ruins the design of the game.

I understand it is part of the game design, but it is kind of like the time mechanic in Fallout 1... It's done right in KCD, but so many gamers have trauma from games that do it wrong that its the first thing everyone gets rid of. When I play with unlimited saves, I do try not to destroy the game for myself by save scumming, though.

If I play the game with the vanilla save option, I will either need to replay relatively long parts of the game if I want to redo a quest (for example because I did three quests in a row and failed the last one) or just brew/buy countless save potions and chug one before each quest, which defeats the purpose of the limited save mechanic anyways. You still save scum, but now you need to do it more strategically I guess. I'd rather not worry about that, but for KCD2 I am planning on playing it without unlimited saves first, like I did in 1.

It still crashes all the time today, and the unlimited save option gives some peace of mind.

Theresa is not a warrior at all and if you try to fight the Cumans headon, you are fucked every which way you can.

Every time I play "A Woman's Lot", Theresa kills any Cuman she sees. She is bloodied and broken in the end, but also the Cuman Remover of Skalitz. Maybe I'm just too good at the game...

Theresa doesn't run around in full plate armor, defeating hordes of cumans with a long sword, while she berates the lousy men who fail to protect Skalitz.

No, but that's my point. I was not happy about this DLC at first, because Theresa straddles the line. All the men in her family are these corrupt assholes who want to control her life and rope her into doing crimes, and she is defiant and basically feels like a woman who would insist on wearing pants in the 40s just to spite Daddy.
The truth is, Theresa is a strong female character. Resourceful, virtuous, brave, humble, head-strong, defiant, while still keeping her female identity intact. The DLC is female representation in this completely male-dominated world. She kills at least one Cuman with a dagger, that's canon, and a woman overpowering a man in full armor with a little dagger is already an eye-brow raising moment.

I guess my point is that Theresa's DLC made me realize I don't actually hate strong female characters, I hate when they are done badly.

 

[SIMIΔN]

It's a mix of some who just want to watch a fire consume things that are precious to other people

There's two ways to destroy a franchise:

Corrupt it from within
OR
Make it's fans believe it isn't worth buying.​

These unsubstantiated rumours are nothing but an attempt to deceive others into thinking it's "too woke", since their normal crybullying failed.

 

[Hermiöne Granger]

There's two ways to destroy a franchise:

Corrupt it from within
OR
Make it's fans believe it isn't worth buying.​

These unsubstantiated rumours are nothing but an attempt to deceive others into thinking it's "too woke", since their normal crybullying failed.

You can also add these two to your 'ways to destroy a franchise': Not being honest to your fans and customers, and being a fucking sellout.

If you look at embracer group's website with all its DEI language, it's already pretty clear FAGhorse Studio have taken activist money.

 

[Halmaz]

It's our own little purity spiral

I see your point, I also believe certain part of the right is going off the deep end on various political topics, not just video games and it annoys me as well. It just proves the horseshoe theory is valid. I have seen this on Kiwi Farms too, posters I generally sympathized with, adopted extreme viewpoints, that are just as unhinged as the leftist ones, out of pure spite, as a reaction to the increasing insanity on the other side. This is indeed not the way to handle this.
In case of KCD2, I feel like there is a legitimate reason to be disappointed. These leaks wouldn't have caused such an uproar, if Vavra just shut the fuck up and didn't make a huge deal out of how utterly based and redpilled he and his game is. Sure, some gamers would have been still angry and tried to make a big stink out of it, but I believe it would have had less of an impact, without all those mean tweets he made. Vavra basically gave ammo to his leftists detractors as well, because they can rightfully call him out on his hypocrisy and they can now endlessly troll Chuds, whom are fans of the game.
As I said before, I also think it is petty to get upset over a single black guy, yet it is just so damn tiresome developers need to put them into every game, even when it makes little sense. 15th century Bohemia had plenty of diversity as it is, but the devs just had to shoehorn a black guy into the game, because America enslaved black people once and now they are experiencing white guilt over it, which is then preyed upon by Black Rock and the likes. As a result, European developers, who make a game about medeival Europe, set in a period that predates the discovery of America, are practically forced, or coerced, or bribed into adopting this US branded white guilt. I hope you see why this is upsetting.
As for the homosexual scene. Vavra's tweet pretty much confirms its existence. We have to see what the context is, who is involved and if it is optional, or not. It would be a shame if there was an option to romance Henry and Hans, just to appease porn sick fujoshi, who cannot comprehend a platonic friendship between men.

 

[TrainWreckWatcher]

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Vavra pretty much confirms the gay scene on Facebook. Insider gaming said that there are some romantic conversation options with a same sex character. Which means this scene probably involves Henry, which is a RETCON to appease the alphabet mob. Varva used to be very transparent with fans, and always strive for historical accuracy. Look at him now, dragged this out for days because he knew the pushback. Its clear FAGhorse Studio shifted tactics and got MASSIVELY sneaky, when they got under the Embracer group. Anybody who is tired of these bait and switches needs to vote with their wallets. To still buy this tells Vavra and Faghorse that this is acceptable and they can do it again.

At this point I'm unwishlisting the game.
He has lost the plot and is pulling to some extent a lesser scenario that the avowed devs did.

Make it's fans believe it isn't worth buying.

Well good news for you Vavra did that himself.

if Vavra just shut the fuck up and didn't make a huge deal out of how utterly based and redpilled he and his game is.

Bingo.

It would be a shame if there was an option to romance Henry and Hans, just to appease porn sick fujoshi, who cannot comprehend a platonic friendship between men.

If this happens the series needs to be burned down and the earth salted so nothing may ever grow on it again. It would be the ultimate spit in the eye of everything good.

 

[30+GameOvers]

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Vavra pretty much confirms the gay scene on Facebook. Insider gaming said that there are some romantic conversation options with a same sex character. Which means this scene probably involves Henry, which is a RETCON to appease the alphabet mob. Varva used to be very transparent with fans, and always strive for historical accuracy. Look at him now, dragged this out for days because he knew the pushback. Its clear FAGhorse Studio shifted tactics and got MASSIVELY sneaky, when they got under the Embracer group. Anybody who is tired of these bait and switches needs to vote with their wallets. To still buy this tells Vavra and Faghorse that this is acceptable and they can do it again.

Look at the bright side, he's got a cool sports car now from the money he duped from his loyal fans!

It's telling that instead of writing a proper press statement he immediately goes full "MUH NAZIS!" mode. Remember, there is no "based" jews.

DOA, I can practically hear tens of thousands of pre orders being cancelled. Don't give these grifters money, find your local cracker and play the game for free instead. How is the modding scene for KCD, hopefully you can mod some of these things out.
BTW, /v/ is on fire right now. Jannies deleting threads left and right, leftie armchair historians writing entire thesis essays about how muslims were common in Europe and how they were more civilized than Europeans and how you are just a 90iq poltard chud, then you have the other side which is schizo right wing SJWs and coping Czech anons trying to "dispel the rumors" and desperately in denial that they have been sold down the river. It doesn't matter what the game actually has, it is already aiming to be a Dustborn tier shitshow. Warhorse is done as a studio, at least as far as having fan support goes, this is Czech equivalent of Cyberpunk 2077.

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

Sorry, but that's bullshit and another disingenuous statement. If these leaks never saw the light of day, there would be barely any discussion in this thread, as this game doesn't seem to interest a whole lot of people.

I don't agree, I've been on this site long enough to know some people will always find a reason to bitch, and I fully believe if it wasn't the Black guy it would have been something else. May have been after release when someone decided some random line of dialogue was uberwoke and proof the devs had betrayed us, but I still think it would have happened.

It's telling that instead of writing a proper press statement he immediately goes full "MUH NAZIS!" mode. Remember, there is no "based" jews.

Just a reminder, the guy he called a Nazi wrote a 5 tweet sperg out about how Vavra is part Jewish.

A guy with this fucking avatar.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

I don't agree, I've been on this site long enough to know some people will always find a reason to bitch,

Reminds me of the 'What games do you like /v/' and it's just an anime girl looking real angry in response.

But no for real niggers in my historical game, and open faggotry in my historical game is a shame to see if true.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Just a reminder, the guy he called a Nazi wrote a 5 tweet sperg out about how Vavra is part Jewish.

Gee, it's almost like if you call someone a jew, they will take offense to that because it is the worst possible insult you can imagine! Especially if you are a jew, I think a funny mustached man said something to this effect once.
Really, what I am actually learning here is that Czech men are very, very soft, kind of like how their women are all whores. I really need to find some good bait for them, I hear they don't like poles.

But no for real niggers in my historical game, and open faggotry in my historical game is a shame to see if true.

Faggotry is a spit in the eye, the nigger is just straight up fan fiction. Either way, this is looking to be rightoid equivalent of Last of Us 2, right down to muh misinformation, butt sex and jews ruining everything.

 

[Hermiöne Granger]

I don't agree, I've been on this site long enough to know some people will always find a reason to bitch, and I fully believe if it wasn't the Black guy it would have been something else. May have been after release when someone decided some random line of dialogue was uberwoke and proof the devs had betrayed us, but I still think it would have happened.

Just a reminder, the guy he called a Nazi wrote a 5 tweet sperg out about how Vavra is part Jewish.
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A guy with this fucking avatar.
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If you dont know the tactics of these leftis by now. Then read the reply, it points out exactly what Varva is trying to do. But tactics like this dont work anymore.

 

[The Evil Midnight Bomber]

I don't agree, I've been on this site long enough to know some people will always find a reason to bitch, and I fully believe if it wasn't the Black guy it would have been something else. May have been after release when someone decided some random line of dialogue was uberwoke and proof the devs had betrayed us, but I still think it would have happened.

Just a reminder, the guy he called a Nazi wrote a 5 tweet sperg out about how Vavra is part Jewish.
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A guy with this fucking avatar.
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I mean you can't disagree with his diagnosis can you?

I really need to find some good bait for them, I hear they don't like poles.

Tell them poles are better mechanical engineers than them. That'll make them seethe.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Tell them poles are better mechanical engineers than them. That'll make them seethe.

kek, what's the context behind this?

If you dont know the tactics of these leftis by now. Then read the reply, it points out exactly what Varva is trying to do. But tactics like this dont work anymore.

I love how Vavra went from being a le based anti SJW to a crying sniveling little kike fake tough guy like Jack "Murphy" Goldstein overnight

 

[Chapalapachapa]

I don't agree, I've been on this site long enough to know some people will always find a reason to bitch, and I fully believe if it wasn't the Black guy it would have been something else. May have been after release when someone decided some random line of dialogue was uberwoke and proof the devs had betrayed us, but I still think it would have happened.

Just a reminder, the guy he called a Nazi wrote a 5 tweet sperg out about how Vavra is part Jewish.
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A guy with this fucking avatar.
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Please somebody can think of the fucking yews?

 

[Krayt Dragon]

Gee, it's almost like if you call someone a jew, they will take offense to that because it is the worst possible insult you can imagine!

I think it's pretty fair to call that guy a Nazi in response. It's not like that guy just "innocently" called him a jew, and you know that.
He also has freedom of association to not talk to Nazis. I talk to them all the time, despite me not liking them much either. Some of them are fine people, though. People want to make this into a "Leftie Developer called fans Nazis!?" thing, but that was when Leftie devs called Trump supporters or moderate conservatives Nazis. That guy has a black sun avatar. Isn't it a fact he is a neo-nazi at that point? Is this going to turn into our version of "What is a woman?"

15th century Bohemia had plenty of diversity as it is, but the devs just had to shoehorn a black guy into the game, because America enslaved black people once and now they are experiencing white guilt over it, which is then preyed upon by Black Rock and the likes. As a result, European developers, who make a game about medeival Europe, set in a period that predates the discovery of America, are practically forced, or coerced, or bribed into adopting this US branded white guilt. I hope you see why this is upsetting.

Yes, that is upsetting, if that is what ends up being the case. You are still assooming motivation here and choosing the worst possible outcome. My assumption about his motives come from patterns of behavior from Vavra and Warhorse, the other assumption comes from how other developers who are not Vavra and Warhorse act... Developers with a way worse track-record.

Vavra did so much in the past to prove he is an uncompromising Dev and was so hard-line about his vision being realized, and now he is idolized for it... do you really think he would piss it all away? When he says he has not sold out, what reason is there to not believe that (other than he's a Jew and every Jew acts exactly the same)? Do we not judge people by merit anymore, was that just a fever dream that I had?