Feminism and leftist created the incel problem.

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

If you will only date men that have never watched porn, then is it okay for men to only date women that are virgins?

Woah now, hold your horses... It's okay to have expectations and standards for men, not women.

Both porn and tinder swiping are fucking up people's brains and expectations.

I agree, they should be banned. They do nothing good for society, it's all a net negative.

I love men who are really fucking autistic about the one thing they have tunnel vision for

What are your thoughts on Dragon Ball Z?

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

I have a friend who bought a whore to lose his virginity and he couldn't get it up due to years of porn consumption. It does happen.

Yeah porn is fucked, but are you sure it was porn that did that to him or was it him being nervous? If he is an awkward shy guy that has no experience with women then being with a stranger woman would probably be extremely nerve racking. Fuck, I wouldn't be able to take my clothes off unless it was a woman I was very comfortable around.

 

[PaleTay]

Attractive women are chill as in passive?

I wouldn't say passive, I would say open. They initiate more (both conversations and activities), banter and joke more, are more vulnerable, enjoy debates or disagreements more, and are more open to trying new things.

 

[Celestial Peace]

because their societies were not prepared for social media and the importation of western progressive ideologies.

Filthy turd-worlder here. Demographic collapse is due to more or less the same reason first-worlders have it: Living cost is too expensive and wages are worth shit. The difference is in the currency inflation and social inequality. Plus Western progressive bullshit. And we do it worse than our Western counterpart.

Plus, a huge portion of incel demographic are 3rd worlders if I'm not mistaken. I'm not impressed if that's the case because 3rd world ladies are ten times more whorish than your average Western woman.

 

[Maker's Mark]

I still think a lot of Incels would benefit from just swallowing their pride and hiring an escort. Once they realize sex and intimacy isn't the end all be all of life they may snap out of it.

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

Filthy turd-worlder here. Demographic collapse is due to more or less the same reason first-worlders have it: Living cost is too expensive and wages are worth shit. The difference is in the currency inflation and social inequality. Plus Western progressive bullshit. And we do it worse than our Western counterpart.

I wish this was the case.

Spoiler: Mild powerlevel

I've had to deal with Afghani migrants as part of my line of work, and literally every single one of their couples have over 3 kids, and about a quarter of them have 6 or more. It's strange, because most other migrants still have smallish families, even the ones from other poor or Muslim countries. It's hard to not think the incels might be right about birthrates when the one country that's still churning out kids despite crushing poverty and constant war is the country where women have the least rights.

 

[Celestial Peace]

I wish this was the case.

Spoiler: Mild powerlevel

I've had to deal with Afghani migrants as part of my line of work, and literally every single one of their couples have over 3 kids, and about a quarter of them have 6 or more. It's strange, because most other migrants still have smallish families, even the ones from other poor or Muslim countries. It's hard to not think the incels might be right about birthrates when the one country that's still churning out kids despite crushing poverty and constant war is the country where women have the least rights.

Muslims are a whole other level though. You think Feminism and SJW bullshit have a say in Muslim countries?

 

[Irredemable Retardation]

Spoiler: Mild powerlevel

I've had to deal with Afghani migrants as part of my line of work, and literally every single one of their couples have over 3 kids, and about a quarter of them have 6 or more. It's strange, because most other migrants still have smallish families, even the ones from other poor or Muslim countries. It's hard to not think the incels might be right about birthrates when the one country that's still churning out kids despite crushing poverty and constant war is the country where women have the least rights.

>One country that is still churning out kids.
There is a bigger correlation with social media and the internet than women's rights. The idea that "As soon as we repeal wimminz rights birhtrates will be fixed, we will get an utopia and shit" is incel cope, idealization and fetishism because many incels genuinely believe in "moral" societies like muslim ones, they will score, but Angola and other Sub-Saharan countries, while still shitholes and having their fair share of abuses, are VERY lax compared to Afghanistan in women's rights, yet have a higher TFR than it.

 

[Montalbane]

Marital rape is a thing there.
Also I think the internet is breaking the brains of a ton of people.
And its tiresome.

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

Yeah porn is fucked, but are you sure it was porn that did that to him or was it him being nervous? If he is an awkward shy guy that has no experience with women then being with a stranger woman would probably be extremely nerve racking. Fuck, I wouldn't be able to take my clothes off unless it was a woman I was very comfortable around.

I still think a lot of Incels would benefit from just swallowing their pride and hiring an escort. Once they realize sex and intimacy isn't the end all be all of life they may snap out of it.

Hiring a prostitute for an overage, completely sexually experienced male also has the problem that it's asking him to speedrun his entire missed teenage intimacy experimentation phase while paying a stranger professional rates and while on the clock.

It would make a lot more sense to have some sort of tiered "Girlfriend Experience" package where over time and a series of visits the hopeless and clueless low-status male would work through the bases, practice, gain confidence, not put so much pressure on performing (or most likely not) on one overhyped night, etc.

Obvious problems with this approach would be: expense, logistics & staffing (same escort?) and the inevitable likelihood that the dude will unfortunately develop feelings for the whore.

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

Hiring a prostitute for an overage, completely sexually experienced male also has the problem that it's asking him to speedrun his entire missed teenage intimacy experimentation phase while paying a stranger professional rates and while on the clock.

It would make a lot more sense to have some sort of tiered "Girlfriend Experience" package where over time and a series of visits the hopeless and clueless low-status male would work through the bases, practice, gain confidence, not put so much pressure on performing (or most likely not) on one overhyped night, etc.

Obvious problems with this approach would be: expense, logistics & staffing (same escort?) and the inevitable likelihood that the dude will unfortunately develop feelings for the whore.

That is a good point. Everyone else went through the slow escalation of hugs and kisses and getting to know someone on various dates. They built up to sexual intimacy. A lonely virgin going straight to sex is going to be a failure and an awful experience. The sex is not the only thing that we are wanting.

I think that even if you could pay for such an experience that the guy would fall for the whore like you say, it reminds me of the simps who pay streamers to talk to them so that they can get pretend attention.

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

That is a good point. Everyone else went through the slow escalation of hugs and kisses and getting to know someone on various dates. They built up to sexual intimacy. A lonely virgin going straight to sex is going to be a failure and an awful experience. The sex is not the only thing that we are wanting.

It's interesting that in the modern age we just expect young men to know how to fuck.

Animals obviously have imprinted programming re: reproduction that requires no instruction.

But historically, we just act like ostriches wrt to the transition to adulthood and then when boys turn 18 (or younger) just expect boys to figure it out.

Schools teach some sex ed, but it is simply academic and scare tactic stuff about anatomy, consent, pregnancy and STIs.

But no one is actually coaching young men. Fathers don't address it. Friends are equally clueless. And even if they have more experience, it's taboo in male circles to talk about sex in any detail beyond vague boasting. Society enforces that any mention of male lust or sexuality is obscene, private and distasteful if not illegal.

Men are also expected to lead, be confident, appropriate and experienced if they ever get to the stage that they have an opportunity for a sexual encounter.

So male competence in such matters is almost exclusively formed via fake-it-until-you-make-it, trial and error and repetition.

 

[Dawdler]

So male competence in such matters is almost exclusively formed via fake-it-until-you-make-it, trial and error and repetition.

That's the part of growing up

 

[Mordecai "3 Finger" Brown]

That's the part of growing up

But that's the whole issue with inexperienced incels; they missed that rite of passage puppy love, innocent, experimentation phase.

Then they get shamed as low-status, evil, unlovable, hated, dangerous members of society for being behind in the experience game.

It was a lot easier to acquire experience in courtship and love-making when done within the confines of a marriage (or at least with a high-school sweetheart) because the pool was a lot smaller and monogamy and chastity before being wed were at least strongly encouraged if not unrealistic.

You might be awkward and awful in bed for a long time. But at least you were working as a team with your partner who had it in their interest to be patient and help you improve, for future investment and lack of other options.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The thread got me thinking about the origin of modern incels problem. The best thing I reached is that the main cause is that the average modern woman vastly vastly vastly overestimate their worth. Yeah you could argue porn, always online culture, dating apps and all that hampers male ability to communicate, but in the end the issue is as if the ratio of men to women is 2:1 rather than 1:1, and it's not a tiny minority of men facing this issue. And this overestimation expands to divorce rates as well.

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

But that's the whole issue with inexperienced incels; they missed that rite of passage puppy love, innocent, experimentation phase.

Then they get shamed as low-status, evil, unlovable, hated, dangerous members of society for being behind in the experience game.

It was a lot easier to acquire experience in courtship and love-making when done within the confines of a marriage (or at least with a high-school sweetheart) because the pool was a lot smaller and monogamy and chastity before being wed were at least strongly encouraged if not unrealistic.

You might be awkward and awful in bed for a long time. But at least you were working as a team with your partner who had it in their interest to be patient and help you improve, for future investment and lack of other options.

If you miss out on that stage of life where everyone is young and awkward then you are always going to be at a disadvantage because everyone around you has had experience and you are completely lost.

Not only that but there are studies showing that touching is as important for development into a functional adult as any other social activity. If you never get the chance to have any intimacy then what negative effect does it have on your brain.

Like you said in the previous post, nobody tells guys how anything works, you just have to figure it out yourself if you ever get the chance.

The thread got me thinking about the origin of modern incels problem. The best thing I reached is that the main cause is that the average modern woman vastly vastly vastly overestimate their worth. Yeah you could argue porn, always online culture, dating apps and all that hampers male ability to communicate, but in the end the issue is as if the ratio of men to women is 2:1 rather than 1:1, and it's not a tiny minority of men facing this issue. And this overestimation expands to divorce rates as well.

Social media and dating apps have all women standing on a pedestal as they are showered in attention from men. On dating apps when women find the few Chads in their area and swipe on them, Chad will be all too happy to have a one night stand with them, and so women think that is their baseline for what they can catch.

 

[Ingmar Aspergman]

There irony is that the guys who are hesitant to approach are doing so because they are consistent of the woman’s feelings and don’t want to distress her, so they would otherwise probably be fine partners. The a lot of the guys who do approach don’t fucking care and will be as aggressive as they want, which also warps women’s perceptions of men further because those are the only ones who will actively interact with them.

The girl I’m talking to now just told me about how she is harassed nearly daily at her work because they know they will never see her again, so will say insanely creepy shit to her. Thankfully, she doesn’t seem to let it get to her.

TL;DR: there’s likely a lot of decent guys who aren’t approaching because they think it’s invasive and rude, leaving only actual creeps who don’t care regardless and only further distorts women’s perception of men.

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

There irony is that the guys who are hesitant to approach are doing so because they are consistent of the woman’s feelings and don’t want to distress her, so they would otherwise probably be fine partners. The a lot of the guys who do approach don’t fucking care and will be as aggressive as they want, which also warps women’s perceptions of men further because those are the only ones who will actively interact with them.

The girl I’m talking to now just told me about how she is harassed nearly daily at her work because they know they will never see her again, so will say insanely creepy shit to her. Thankfully, she doesn’t seem to let it get to her.

TL;DR: there’s likely a lot of decent guys who aren’t approaching because they think it’s invasive and rude, leaving only actual creeps who don’t care regardless and only further distorts women’s perception of men.

Indeed, but it all depends on your physical characteristics. Alpha males can do whatever they like and women won't mind, average guys can't get away with even the safest flirting. Women see through us as if we were just a phantom, and they don't like that illusion broken because we have attempted to engage with them.


But be a criminal with alpha male characteristics and women will get desperate for a crumb of that dick -

 

[Mad Hunter]

I'll get it straight. Feminists have gotten more aggressive in the recent times and it's simply off-putting.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

nobody tells guys how anything works

It's as easy as:

1. Walk up to woman.
2. Say: "We'll bang, ok?"
3. Swim in pussy.

Women create the demand for dick and men are the supply. Smashing box is an economic inevitability.