Kingdom Come Deliverance - Or how I stopped worrying about SJW and love Bohemia | Now with betrayal and a lot more niggers. "Historically accurate." BlackRock ruined the series.

[Jason_Cruiser]

I played the first kcd in full and don't remember any gay ppl.
What is he on about?

There was one guy in the monastery near the end of the game. It wasn't depicted as good or bad it was just used as a reason to why he became monk(I think, it's been a while since I played the game). There is a big difference between a single fag that isn't revered and used a source of conflict and making the main character outright gay.

 

[Potatoherder]

Not to (potentially) shit on your parade or whatever but just checked global and US weekly top sellers charts (Jan 7 - Jan 14). Global has it on the 20th place (up 54), US - 31st (up 66). I don't use Steam, so I'm not 100% on whether these are the charts you're talking about. Archives are fighting me, can't provide them, sorry.

Are these results good? Bad? More/less than expected? Again, I don't use Steam for gaming stuff, so don't really know.

This all cooked off for the most part after the 14th. He made his first PR post on twitter on the 17th and it was just starting to pick up steam before he threw gas on it. This is when people dug up his backtracks from 2018. The nazi reply was a day before the 17th iirc. The CoC was also forced on the steam forums on the 17th.

 

[Kharash]

Ignoring the homosexual side story and black character, I think I can articulate the biggest problem with the game, which shows a fundamental change in design.
The "choice" argument. Vavra keeps saying that KCDII is all about "choices" and all of it is on you, the player. There's a problem with that though; in KCD1 you WERE Henry. This is different in KCDII where Henry is now YOU.
What's the difference? In the first game you were forced to roleplay as someone in the middle ages. Now Henry is forced to roleplay as a modern person who has time-traveled back to the 1400's. One is realistic and gritty, the other is fantasy and rainbows.

Henry was kind of a weird in between protagonist. On one hand he's clearly an established character who acts a certain way in most quests but then you can also just play him as a psychotic murderer despite it not being fitting at all. So perhaps the idea was all along that Henry is your self insert but they failed spectacularly in the execution.

There will be a rather big schism with the grifters and their audience:

Clicked on it because the thumbnail wouldn't give me the full title and instantly get greeted with the assault on the senses that's his face. Horrifying. And seeing him make excuses is just pathetic. Amazing how weak willed every single grifter is.

There was one guy in the monastery near the end of the game. It wasn't depicted as good or bad it was just used as a reason to why he became monk(I think, it's been a while since I played the game). There is a big difference between a single fag that isn't revered and used a source of conflict and making the main character outright gay.

I happen to have just played that quest and he became a monk so he'd get over his gay tendencies. If you ask me he's obviously portrayed as a sympathetic character being done wrong by the opinions of the time. Also the other monks bully him. Henry can be sympathetic or say he's deceived by Satan.

 

[Das Kätzchen]

This all cooked off for the most part after the 14th. He made his first PR post on twitter on the 17th and it was just starting to pick up steam before he threw gas on it. This is when people dug up his backtracks from 2018. The nazi reply was a day before the 17th iirc. The CoC was also forced on the steam forums on the 17th.
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I'll check back when the next week is available, I guess. Should be soon enough. I do wonder, though, if the game goes down in the charts significantly.

 

[mentally retarded user]

Chat, what do you think happened?
Soy? Finasteride to stop balding? He just got older and fatter? Testosterone decrease from natural causes?

 

[Lazy Drei]

He just admitted it was all true.
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https://x.com/DanielVavra/status/1881081092515811565

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/L14sg

it's a hard choice for me, on one side I think most of what he says is correct, there were definitely Muslims out there, the Ottoman Empire was massive already by that time and had people everywhere as they were known to be huge on foreign trade and exploration, their nearest border to Kuttenberg was about 800km, which is not that far at all even in medieval standards and knowing Kuttenberg was a hub of trade and commerce.

And if you want to be a fag, be a fag as long as you don't put me into gay scenes that are needed for progression or if you don't do it you'd miss essential things I couldn't care less how others wish to play the game.
He says that the Musa character stands out and it impacts his story which is fitting instead of 'here's a troon or nigger in medieval Europe and everyone pretends it's normal and a common thing' like many devs do.

What I am most annoyed with is that he didn't just speak plainly about this from the get go and omitted this at every turn he promoted the game and I don't mean having to scream: We have diversity, niggers and troons! He could've just said 'expect the city of Kuttenberg to be a hub of varying ethnicities and beliefs' or something alike.

I'll await reviews as any sane person should do and make my decisions based on that, but he really fumbled the bag here.

 

[Kharash]

He could've just said 'expect the city of Kuttenberg to be a hub of varying ethnicities and beliefs' or something alike.

The funny thing is that they did but we had to spend a year coping before people could believe it.

"As mentioned already, Henry is embarking on a journey from the countryside and local quarrels to a relatively Cosmopolitan city. that is besieged and occupied by the invading king. Naturally, in a place like this, people can expect a wide range of ethnicities and different characters that Henry will meet on his journey."

 

[WULULULULU]

Money saved assholes. Back to XCOM2 and Gmod it is.

 

[Halmaz]

Naturally, in a place like this, people can expect a wide range of ethnicities and different characters.

I remember reading this and it gave me a bad feeling about the sequel, so I promised myself not get hyped over the game. Vavra's based larping and some influencers indicating the game is free of DEI, made me ease up a little bit and allowed myself to look forward to the game. Clearly a mistake.

 

[Jason_Cruiser]

The funny thing is that they did but we had to spend a year coping before people could believe it.

"As mentioned already, Henry is embarking on a journey from the countryside and local quarrels to a relatively Cosmopolitan city. that is besieged and occupied by the invading king. Naturally, in a place like this, people can expect a wide range of ethnicities and different characters that Henry will meet on his journey."

I remember reading this and it gave me a bad feeling about the sequel, so I promised myself not get hyped over the game. Vavra's based larping and some influencers indicating the game is free of DEI, made me ease up a little bit and allowed myself to look forward to the game. Clearly a mistake.

I thought when he said that he was abusing rhetoric used by the left and using it in a way they didn't like. When leftists say diversity, they always mean niggers, but when you instead decide to represent various white ethnicities and beliefs then suddenly, to them it's not diversity. Despite multiple kinds of ethnic backgrounds being represented and argubly fitting the definition.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

"As mentioned already, Henry is embarking on a journey from the countryside and local quarrels to a relatively Cosmopolitan city to suck other men's dicks. Naturally, in a place like this, people can expect a wide range of ethnicities like in modern california and different faggots, Kangs and trannies that Henry will meet on his journey."

FTFY

 

[ShittlerNiggler]

Since I have decided to be a good goy and will consoom the game at release, I am going to see how long it takes to meet the niggerscholarscientist and how many minutes of cringe dialogue the player has to endure.

 

[X Prime]

That seems silly, other things-that-cannot-be-described-as-people will do that for you.

 

[ShitLurker]

Looks like we lost Grummz to the woke mind virus.

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Didn't half the griftosphere pull the same shit with Ragnarok with Mauller sucking GoW Ragnarok's ballsack because he liked the game enough to ignore the obvious faggotry? They are also desperate for a win.

Why even add the gay shit in though? If it's hard to do and 'optional' (there isn't an option to remove it) then why do it?

Remember how in Dark Souls it felt awesome to find the Great Hollow and then even more awesome when you found Ash Lake and were outright blown away when the game with barely any music suddenly bombards you with chants?

Well it's exactly like that but with butt sex! Quite the surprise indeed!

And the worst part is it makes people not want to make 'based' games. They take away that you'll get backlash no matter what and not to do rug pulls or scams.

It's incredibly fucking easy to do a based game. "Based games" existed for decades. You make shit consistent in your setting and you don't add shit that needs you to turn into a pretzel to justify in your historical game.

I have no idea what the story of the new ass creed is going to be, but the actual story of Le Black Samurai Man is actually really cool and I hope they don't turn it into some retarded bullshit, which I know they will.

What's so cool about "nigger becomes pet of great shogun, has people bathe the monkey man to 'try and remove the ink' for their amusement, lord dies and nigger gets instantly shipped back to Africa". Hilarious? yes, very much, cool? no.

Yes, I made the list and I still think you’re retarded. Excuse me for not jumping on the bandwagon 100% of the time. IMO, this is ultimately minor shit that people are overreacting about.

I get it dude, you don't want this to devolve into pure "no true Scotsman", but I got to side with the spergs on this. You know the whole "any organization that is not explicitly right wing is destined to become left wing"? Well this is how it starts, "it's just one black guy and I mean, it COULD have happened" and "oh, you can play a gay character but it's a hard to reach thing, an easter egg of sorts, but with buttsex instead of cool loot!". Then suddenly in the next game you get a girlboss, because "women did fight as well when their villages were threatened and men were off in war!". What KC2 is doing is the very start of what takes you years down the line into Veilguard.

Does it mean that you stab your "ally"'s face? Yes, but if they are fine with this kikery, they aren't an ally worth keeping is my take. Traitors are much worse than enemies. Never give a fucking inch is all I'm saying because that's how we ended up here. Notice how nobody is sperging out about sandniggers in Monster Hunter? Exactly, they never said it was "based" or "realistic" or "grounded". Does it reek of DEI decisions? Very much, but it's there to see for all and everyone can decide accordingly like they did with Baldur's Gate 3. KC2 on the other hand tried to play both crowds by sticking to their "historical based" cred while on the side adding some nuggets to the faggots. Fuckers probably thought themselves incredibly clever that they could have their cake and eat it too.

Okay nigga, and? It's a video game, this shit does not matter.

I'd say the culture war matters quite a bit. Gaming is a small niche in that, but one that tends to redpill people the hardest due to how everything is inherently hostile to "gamers". Other media does not feel as hostile to it's consumer base, so it tends to be a feeding ground to get people's almonds roasting. Basically, live and let live has proven to be a huge mistake, I'd suggest avoiding it going forward.

But I'm a tourist in this thread and just here to see the newest shitshow, thankfully I'm not invested in the game itself. I do suggest to all of those that do want and will play it to consider pirating it, odds are you will probably love it and be able to avoid the nigger and faggot, but I also think it's important to give the message that "you are open about this shit, or you don't put it, trying to shove it in with deceit means no shekles for you". This shit would have been so much more tame if they had come forward with it a week ago when the leaks started.

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

how long it takes to meet the niggerscholarscientist

Most estimates are saying the game is 50~60 hours long (I assume for the main story) so I'm gonna take a guess that you first meet him 15~20 hours in.

 

[Observotron]

TBH, I don't really care about the black dude. It obviously feels super forced after the discourse from the first game, but whatever. My issue with ethnic diversity in a setting like this has always been that it ends up looking more like Modern LA than a medieval setting with how much diversity there is. A single black guy is whatever.

Henry being able to be bi/gay is a larger issue IMO.

As people have already pointed out, the first game never gave a single semblance of a hint that Henry was anything other than straight. I would argue that, since you are playing as an "average medieval peasant" it actually enforces the opposite.

Vavra's "roleplay" argument falls flat on its face given what the first game was. It was never an RPG where you played your own character, it was a game where you played the "role" of Henry. Yes, you had choices, but they never really drastically altered the way that the game played out, and didn't really change who Henry was. The coices you were given were less "Who is your Henry" and more "How would Henry React". It might not seem like there's a difference, but there is.

For the most part, the story and character were set in stone, so this is the weirdest, most virtue signally hill to die on when other aspects of the game don't offer any meaningful choices to define our character or his story.

I don't have a problem with giving players those options in a game where you can create a character (like a Bioware or Bethesda game), but here it feels forced.

And that's really my biggest issue with all this. It feels forced/insincere and doesn't align with the design goals of the game, and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Warhorse/Vavra knows this. There's one black guy and (if what I read before is true) a "hidden" gay scene with barely any content to it. These design choices weren't made to improve the world or gameplay, they were made to check off boxes.

It stinks of "Mandated by upper management".

 

[Kharash]

Didn't half the griftosphere pull the same shit with Ragnarok with Mauller sucking GoW Ragnarok's ballsack because he liked the game enough to ignore the obvious faggotry?

More specifically Critical Drinker slobbered all over it and went out of his way to make excuses for the black Angrboda going as far as to literally use the "there's dragons and whatever but a black person is too much?" argument.
The fact that he still has followers after that is depressing. Mauler also sucked that game's dick but he was never quite as firmly aligned with the whole anti woke thing.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

@Francis York Morgan are you able to change the thread title as the OP is gone and I don't think it is very accurate anymore?

What do you want me to update it to?

 

[X Prime]

"oh, you can play a gay character but it's a hard to reach thing, an easter egg of sorts, but with buttsex instead of cool loot!"

Actually, I object to this.

I have a very simple question: if the option is so obscure and hard to reach, how is it that the leaker apparently found it so easily? How many theoretical leakers who aren't company insiders/devs can there be?

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

if the option is so obscure and hard to reach, how is it that the leaker apparently found it so easily?

No leaker actually has found the gay romance. We don't know who the character is, where he is, hell how it even happens. Unlike Musa who we have screenshots of, we had no proof of the gay stuff until Vavra confirmed it in his tweets.