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Should be a wild four years.

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It's actually insane how Trump is signing hundreds of executive orders completely redrawing the political landscape in the US but the left is so distracted by Elon's autism they're not offering any pushback to what Trump is doing.

Even the mainstream media is no longer pushing the Nazi salute nonsense anymore but leftists on twitter and reddit just can't stop screeching about it. I guess discussing the executive orders and their ramifications is too difficult for them. Easier to sperg endlessly about an autists overexcited arm gesture.

Redditors are fucking retarded.
It's hilarious because both Obama and Biden did the same shit when they entered office and Democrats cheered. Now Trump's just one-upping them and they fags are seething. Turnabout is fair play.
Punk started out as rebellion plus shock value and a rejection of prog rock/AOR/disco. Most of the early punk icons/hangers on who made up the second wave of punk rock indulged in Nazi imagery for shock value in particular.

This created a bit of a schism within the second and third wave of punk acts, as the punks who shit posted IRL as fake Nazis to shock granddad caused actual Nazis to get involved in the punk scene, as they took the aesthetic at face value, leading to those who dabbled in Nazi imagery (like Souxie Soux) to pull a delete fucking every or fucked out and became New Wave acts because they hated both the Nazis and anti-Nazis Chrissy Hynde, David Byrne).

Those that stayed became extreme moral fags and drove out anyone not left of Stalin from the scene and became humorless shits who gatekept the genre with endless left wing purity tests. This shrank the scene down in size and marginalized it, to the point that even Jello Biafra got pissed off at the never ending purity tests and was one of the reasons he dissolved Dead Kennedys since you couldn't shit post any more plus the crabs in a bucket mentality he helped foster via shitting on MTV

Ironically the rise of grunge and alt rock saw a new generation the 90s punk bands who were young and naive and greedy enough to go along with major labels wanting a punk revival with having to deal with actual humorless fundie liberal punks. They combined grunge lyrics with watered down punk music to create pop punk
Punk really started out in the late 60's/early 70's as an outgrowth of experimentation with faster styles, distortion, and the availability of musical equipment (including recording equipment). For a long time, you had to have some connection or a lot of money to get an album recorded. Increasingly, anyone with simple recording equipment could put something on a tape and pass it around.

"Punk" as a culture was very corporatized from the beginning with people like Bernie Rhodes who pushed The Clash. Bands like The Ramones didn't think about their label - they just did what they wanted - and punk died by the early 80's due to the "corporate" stereotype. Then there was a slow revival from 80-81 with anarcho-punk which expressly rejected the music industry; followed by a major punk revival in 82 with bands like Blitz in the UK. The DIY ethos really solidified in the early 80's.

The Nazi shit was mostly the result of people who liked the tough fashion. Rock Against Communism (RAC) sprouted in the 80's and made a lot of people money because it attracted dumbasses who would buy lots of beer, throw money at shitty bands screaming "nigger," and small venues didn't care so long as they got their cut. Most OG punks from the late 70's/early 80's moved on to progressions within the movement (thrash music and metal, for example, as well as speed metal) or grew up altogether and moved on with their lives.

Siouxsie Sioux was always post-punk/new wave-ish. The imagery wasn't considered "Nazi" until the RAC guys started getting in the news. No one cared about the punks and their shows from the late 70's-early 80's because they minded their own business. When RAC and white nationalist hooligans started fucking shit up, hurting people, and getting on the nightly news, that's when a lot of "punk" shit got associated with neo-Nazis. At least, that's my understanding of it from a lot of reading and talking to old punks.

You're half-right about the hangers-on into the late-80's being gatekeepers. Part of it was a reaction to the RAC types, but it wasn't even a moral thing at first. It was because neo-Nazis had a really shitty reputation for going to shows and starting fights, which got whole scenes shut down because venues wouldn't book any bands that appeared "punk." These RAC guys also wanted to seriously hurt people - I'm talking full-grown men getting blasted drunk and beating the shit out of teenagers half their size. A lot of RAC types would also try to take control of scenes, kick out anyone who didn't agree with them, and turn it into their own little racist club. It was pretty gross behaviour, so the response in the late 80's (and increasingly into the 90's) was to kick these people out and ostracize them.

The kind of retarded moralfagging you talk about is what followed after this, or in the midst of this, and - in many cases - these lefties started doing the same shit as RAC types. Rose City Antifa has a reputation going all the way back to the early 90's where it was a bunch of gross-ass adults getting plastered on drugs and alcohol, making something up about a group of teenagers being racist, and then beating the everliving shit out of them just because they could.

The whole thing is messy and I've sperged long enough. It suffices to say that the whole thing is a fucking mess and it's sad. There are very few functioning punk scenes as a result of all this chaos.
 
I believe this would result in domestic insurgency. The cartels have so many through-ways into the nation and so much drug money that they could crank up the murder rate until it becomes politically unpopular to act against them. I know I'm going to read a lot of "That can't happen" but this is how they took over Mexico, all they have to do is blend into the hispanic population in various states (there's a lot) and use them as staging grounds for chlorine bombs, fucking up power grids and so on.
I hate the cartels (won’t powerlevel but feel free to guess) and anyone who supports them should be gassed unironically. Mine the border, blast any tunnels with gas, and hit coyotes with himars. Anyone found with fentanyl should be shot. I literally want both our borders to be as militarized as the Korean border. Also lock up all the homeless druggies that feed the machine. Less druggies = less whales = smaller profit margin for the drug cartels. If they get uppity just shoot all the cartel members in prison and bomb the cities they’re based out of.
 
It's actually insane how Trump is signing hundreds of executive orders completely redrawing the political landscape in the US but the left is so distracted by Elon's autism they're not offering any pushback to what Trump is doing.

Even the mainstream media is no longer pushing the Nazi salute nonsense anymore but leftists on twitter and reddit just can't stop screeching about it. I guess discussing the executive orders and their ramifications is too difficult for them. Easier to sperg endlessly about an autists overexcited arm gesture.

Redditors are fucking retarded.
Paper autist hidden dragon.
All according to Trump's keikaku.
 
redscare subreddit is full of people pretending to be ironic and then seething in the comments.

this thread is full of liberal infighting:

/r/RedScarePod is full of standard democrat obsessive seething hate watchers of Anna Khachiyan and Dasha Nekrasova. I got autobanned on that sub for simply sharing a funny soyjak and I'm sure people get banned on that sub for spouting normal RW opiniions
 
Wait is that the big announcement for today? Cause god it'd be funny if there were MAGA loyalists that Biden didn't purge that worked to prove the rigging of 2020. Can't fucking cancel the sitting president for saying it, and if he announces oh, say, a special prosecutor to go after election interference and voter fraud...

Imagine if part of Trump's 2nd term is him going after the rigging machine that keeps the Democrats in power in various purple or even blue states.
he should making ids mandatory for voting like they do in every other country in Europe and even Latin America
 
So thank you for agreeing with me. I’m glad we both agree that Trump left those people to rot for four years when he could have done something because God forbid he face consequences. You gotta love a leader who abdicates any and all responsibility, because that’s what leadership is. Totally. 14 year old Richard the II got between his knights and the Peasants Revolt, but, you know, Trump didn’t wanna get impeached. Because that’s clearly such a scary prospect when (1) the last dudes who got impeached continued to live decent lives and (2) he was going to be out of office in 11 days anyway.
Agreeing with you? I don't even know who you are. Yes, Trump didn't pardon them when he "could" have. He chose not do because he thought -- was probably promised -- they would get a fair and speedy trial, probably some fines for the unofficial tour, and be out in a few weeks. Instead they sat and rotted in solitary for 4 years after he left, because the left in America has entered early stage Communist shitbag syndrome. Which he could not have known. Remember, a major failing of Trump 2014 up until 1.05 seconds after someone shot his fucking ear was an almost adorably comical belief that the left would be acting in good faith as gentlemen. I genuinely think the reason the RINOs didn't threaten him this time -- unless they did and he just doesn't care now -- is that 4 years of solitary with no trial is more than even they expected the left to do to their political enemies.

Sometimes you have to make compromises, even with your principles. Sometimes you have to make deals, even if you don't like them. Sometimes, power allows people to make demands even when they're supposedly in weaker positions or are complete unknowns.

This is what is known as politics.

I'm sorry the perfect golden Trump that exists only in your head didn't fall on his sword and end his political career to uphold the ethical masterwork that exists only in your imagination. Clearly, in this land of gumdrops and candy canes Biden did nothing else afterwards, like say, charging them with Terrorism offenses after they were pardoned that he could argue aren't subject to the pardon system, or State level offenses using friendly local DAs and the like, or just got a Hawaiian judge to say "he was impeached therefore his pardons became invalid after the fact." And clearly Trump would have absolutely had a wonderful life after this impeachment, he wouldn't have had his secret service protection removed and been gunned down hours later, or the lawfare that went after him ramped up with him unable to find legal representation even moreso than he already couldn't.

Out in the real world, he got reelected and we got more in a single day than the GOP has gotten us in 75 years -- including the Jan6 hostages' freedom. Yes, it sucks that the Democrats tortured a few thousand political prisoners for 4 years. Your anger should be directed towards the communist shitbags that did it, not the man who had no way of knowing the faggots would hold them without trial in solitary confinement 23x7 for years out of spite and hate.

But you're a purple poster so I don't expect too much.
 
All those who hate California will be pleased to hear that my SoCal home and surrounding land in SoCal sustained damage last night due to an absolutely bananas windstorm that has only abated for the moment, it’s supposed to start up again soon. I have no internet, my dog house is in pieces several acres away, and I lost my raised garden beds.

The winds of righteous fury have made their way to the west coast from D.C. apparently and they are howling, “FUCK NEWSOM, BASS, ALL THEIR COLLABORATORS, AS WELL AS YOUR ROOF IN PARTICULAR BLUEGOPHERSNAKES!”
 
He just pardoned 1500 people, and you're still crying and puking and bleeding out the wherever.
That’s a funny way to say, “he pardoned 1,500 of his most loyal supporters after forgetting about them for four years.” 1,500 people who, in the words of someone who shares your enthusiasm for Trump:
There were thousands of these Jan 6 Political Hostages. From sheer weight of numbers, you're going to have some who lost family members while in jail, whose wives left them, who lost houses, who missed their kids graduating or getting married. They all lost their careers.

And, of course, this insightful post:
While it is still relevant with all the pardons going on, I'd like to take a moment to remember Matthew Perna, a Trump supporter charged for a January 6th related crime and committed suicide while waiting for sentencing.
This is how Trump treats his most loyal followers - American citizens and people he himself described as “patriots”. Why did he not help them four years ago? Because he was worried he’d get impeached.

So I’m not “crying and puking and bleeding out”. I’m baffled as to why Americans are accepting scraps from this man. What happened to the sort of anti-government sentiment seen at Waco or Ruby Ridge? That’s been inverted to the point where so-called conservatives are praising their leaders for not letting them languish longer in prison. None of those people deserved to be in jail, and now that they’re out, they should want revenge, not grovelling at the feet of the man who ditched them. Again, to quote a guy who agrees with you:
Some of those subset of people whose lives were ruined by this miscarriage of justice are going to want revenge, and they now have literally nothing left to lose.
That’s what someone with self-respect would want. I want Americans to have self-respect. And you should too.

Are we going to endure another 4 years of people like you throwing a tantrum every time Trump doesn't email you for advice before he makes a decision, or are you going to get in the crystal already?
I’m not saying Trump should have called me personally - why would he? I’m some working class dude who doesn’t live in America. However, people should constantly criticize politicians, keep them on their toes, and push for bigger and better reforms.

Take tranny shit for example. I am extremely happy Trump got rid of gender identity as enshrined in law. I think it’s great he is standing up for women’s sports and safe schools for minors. However, I don’t like that he cuddles up to Bruce Jenner. I don’t like that he’s stopping with kids and not banning these surgeries wholesale. Is that me pissing and crying and bleeding out? Or is that me expecting more out of elected representatives? Because I think my position is what Americans should strive for because that’s what is best for them (as such policies would benefit any society).

My question is why people like you have such low standards? Trump does a few good things and you’re satisfied. But you guys have a genuine red wave, you could be pushing for so much more. But, you know, that would require scrutinizing the pseudo-daddy Trump has become to many of these people.
 
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