Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Useful_Mistake]

Is the District Judge permitted to confer with the Magistrate Judge about this,

I don't believe so.

 

[Thomas Talus]

To thine own self be true, I guess.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

Is the District Judge permitted to confer with the Magistrate Judge about this, or does he have to look at it with his own eyes only?

Theoretically, the district judge can confer with the magistrate for background. But the standard of review is de novo, which means the district judge will not defer to the magistrate but do the analysis all over again from scratch. Edit: It's clear error, not de novo, for a nondispositive pretrial order. See FRCP 72(a). Generally, superior judges don't like to talk to the judges being appealed from because it gives a bad impression. But in practice, the district judge probably trusts the magistrate judge and won't modify the order one way or the other. (This remains true on clear error review, even more so, really.)

If the latter, how likely is it that he would plow through the copious record of the last several years to see what we've all been dealing with that led to this?

The judge himself plowing through the record? Very unlikely. More likely, a clerk will do that. But to your point, whoever is reviewing the record will probably keep it within the scope of the discovery dispute and will see what we've been reading for the past months.

Remember, a district judge has lots of real things to worry about. Sentencing CP producers, ruling on criminal cases, conducting trials, managing multimillion dollar civil disputes, etc. So how do you think it feels when he gets Greer saying "fuck all your important work, the magistrate judge was mean to me"?

 

[S1apSh0es]

Rist of things that Greer said his witnesses could testify to, none of them being fucking copyright infringement in this copyright infringement case.

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.....I don't see anything that has to do with copyright

 

[potatodelivery]

He met the deadline (not)

I remember when Ty Beard tried this one

 

[Magnificent Penis]

So much to dissect. So:

a) Russel claims not to understand the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure despite the Magistrate giving him a video whose author is the VERY FUCKING MAGISTRATE IN THIS COURT explaining in simple words everything he has to do in order to comply with it.
b) Despite claiming he doesn't understand the FRCP, he repeatedly insists that the Magistrate has incorrectly applied them and he knows better.
c) Completely omits the fact that the Magistrate explained in his ruling why the protective order does not apply.
d) Lies about Null publishing confidential legal correspondence without even attempting to provide any evidence.
e) As always, fills more than half of the objection with irrelevant plightsperging that have nothing to do with the reasons he was sanctioned, forcing the court to waste time to read a bunch of bullshit for no reason.

I honestly hope that Hardin points out in his response that not only is this filing baseless but also straight up insulting.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I remember when Ty Beard tried this one

That's not comparable. The Judge in that case rewrote the contract to impose non-written deadlines. Fuck that guy (though, Ty was retarded for playing so close to fire too)

 

[DavidS877]

So much to dissect. So:

a) Russel claims not to understand the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure despite the Magistrate giving him a video whose author is the VERY FUCKING MAGISTRATE IN THIS COURT explaining in simple words everything he has to do in order to comply with it.
b) Despite claiming he doesn't understand the FRCP, he repeatedly insists that the Magistrate has incorrectly applied them and he knows better.
c) Completely omits the fact that the Magistrate explained in his ruling why the protective order does not apply.
d) Lies about Null publishing confidential legal correspondence without even attempting to provide any evidence.
e) As always, fills more than half of the objection with irrelevant plightsperging that have nothing to do with the reasons he was sanctioned, forcing the court to waste time to read a bunch of bullshit for no reason.

I honestly hope that Hardin points out in his response that not only is this filing baseless but also straight up insulting.

I hope the Judge takes one look at this, and realizes he doesn't even need to ask the defendant for a response.

 

[Jacknife]

I wonder if this "objection" filed by Greer was the result of receiving an email outlining fees that he would owe. I can see him complaining eventually, but he's rarely this timely with his filings.

I doubt that, he would have mentioned any inquiry by Hardin I think

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I honestly hope that Hardin points out in his response that not only is this filing baseless but also straight up insulting.

See:

We're not allowed to reply unless asked for a response.

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

Is he altering the name/face of people in the screenshots to protect their identity or something? Wouldent that mean the evidence (even though its worthless) is fake or altered?

as long as it doesnt have a watermark it is fine.

 

[AnOminous]

Could I ask for a clarification, please? Did the manlet send this load of trash to the same judge who issued the sanctions or does it go to a separate, higher judge, like an appeal?

Like many/most federal cases, the federal judge in charge of it has assigned it to a magistrate judge (an Article I judge with a 8 or 4 year term unlike an Article III judge who has a lifetime appointment). The magistrate handles the actual case. The Article III judge has final say, though, so the parties can object to decisions of the magistrate and have them decided by the Article III judge.

I would have gone into this earlier but it was at least vaguely in the potentially helping Russtard area, even though I was pretty sure he already knew he could object to the magistrate's decisions.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

I doubt that, he would have mentioned any inquiry by Hardin I think

He does say that the awarded sanctions "would essentially have case-ending effects" so maybe he got the bill and is just not directly referencing it. He might also really think he has a good shot of the district judge telling the magistrate judge that he was wrong, so it's not worth thinking about Hardin's silly little inquiries about paying up.

 

[BoomerPrime]

I don't have much hope left, but I'm putting all I have in a tiny jar that the judge responds to this with a single "Overruled."

Even better if he just did the Based MN Judge move and scribble "Denied" in the margin, ala Ethan Ralph's plea to have his warrant revoked.

ETA: God damn this mushmouthed faggot makes me MATI. The hubris and utter sperginess of his filings enrage me at times.

 

[Third World Aristocrat]

Saying the judge can't do proper analysis and explicitly saying he's misunderstanding things instead of just clarifying your statements is a novel legal strategy. Let's see where this will get you, Russ.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

"My plan is beyond your understanding."
-Russell, after insulting the judge to his face

 

[Irene and 22 others]

No, the batshit insane thing is that the magistrate explained all of this during the scheduling conference and indicated that all users involved should view the magistrate's own videos explaining his expectations re: discovery. I know that I'm not the only person here who watched said videos, which were very clear to the point of being explicit about the requirements.

But didn't you see the part where Greer points out that magistrate judge didn't consider his "special circumstances"? It's clearly spelled out twice in the section titled "Bad faith" and multiple other times. If you had done a proper analysis (unlike a certain magistrate judge) you would have seen that these special circumstances mean that Greer should not be expected to comply with court orders or rules of procedure.

 

[xFalz]

@Potentially Criminal Time to boot up a stream so we can laugh at Russ!

 

[Suah Noteb]

That must be really fucking infuriating. Having to read Greer's drivel and being unable to point out at great length exactly why it's drivel would drive me nuts.

At this point I'm sure the judge may figure out it's drivel without a redundant commentary from Hardin.

Greer has outright lied to the judge, and has outright admitted to his lies. That puts the case on a fixed path no matter what happens next.

 

[Kosher Dill]

One more lie spotted: "Greer also asked to have the witnesses excluded because they all live in different states"

Oh really? Sounds almost like he knows where all of them live, despite swearing up and down that he didn't.

In this very same filing: "He sincerely, honest to goodness, does not know Nathan’s address"
Except apparently he knows it's not in the same state as any other witness.