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Should be a wild four years.

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It was a far lesser shade. I'll watch news videos from the 90s and it's absolutely surreal to watch people actually grill dem and republican politicians, be adversarial to CIA spooks, do research on a subject. The only way you can think it's the same is if you weren't alive then - it was never this idealized magical force for good but what we have now is such a twisted reflection of even what it used to be. Over the course of my life it really has become a parody of itself.

The main reason for the change was consolidation. Clinton, iirc, got rid of rules that limited media acquisitions and mergers, so when I was a kid there were as many independently owned and operated newspapers as there were towns. Now pretty much all of them are owned by a few big companies and/or just republish dreck from groups like AP. The other thing that changed were journalists themselves. Journalism used to be a blue collar profession - the local reporter looked like he just came off a shift at the die striking plant, not a like an oily, polished con man. They spoke plainly, and they understood the world of the common man. A big issue was the internet - it killed the traditional media business model, and then billionaires bought up a lot of the old legacy media - Bill Gates especially, but Carlos Slim as well. I personally think that so much of the pro-immigrant coverage was driven by Slim, who made an enormous fortune off of processing remittances via wire transfers through his companies.

You gradually saw the internet start to change, with places like Wikipedia revolving around 'citing reputable sources'. Instead of the legacy media being a real, independent thing it ended up becoming a way to reinforce narratives. The New York times doesn't exist to go investigate things happening around the world anymore, they're there to source the right footnotes to spin up an alternative reality and inject it into the echo chamber of the internet. Any veneer of respectability is gone, the Gray Lady is just a tired old whore.

There were always problems of course. Papers all had an owner, and the owners had certain agenda points in common. There was a journalist ages ago who gave a famous bombastic speech in New York where he said something along the lines of 'I am paid $100 a week to make sure that my real opinion stays out of the paper that I write for, not to express that opinion in it'. That's just endemic to any sort of information business.
Centralization happened, where every media outlet got consolidated into just 5 owners, but you're out of your mind if you genuinely think it was good. @LiquidKid is correct is that journalism has always been a sordid profession. The issue with the internet wasn't that it weakened old media to the point that they were easy to buy, the issue with the internet is that people started to see that the image created by media was mass delusion. The reason boomers believe the tv is because everybody got fed the same program. Maybe three different programs that competed, but it still limited people's view severely. Like the way how practically everyone thought Gandhi was some kind of peaceful man, this wife-beating with his niece's sleeping Indian man. People like Gandhi and Mother Theresa were venerated by media and everybody ate this up. Of course the cold war and the accompanying ideological war played a part in that.

And the only reason internet was able to give people a more accurate view is that there's that brief moment of consciousness, where it's a new road that magnates haven't got around to building a toll booth at yet, proverbially speaking. If you look more into what journalists admit to doing to shape people's mind in the early internet and pre-internet time, it really is no different.

The veneer of respectability is gone, because the grime and dirt is more visible. Not because there wasn't grime before.
 
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Trump has declared the end of the buttsex worshipping flag.
There's something pretty offputting about this. The flags are harmless, even if you disagree with them and what they stand for. Why is he restricting freedom of expression if it goes against what he believes? Also, this is just cheap, easy bait to fool MAGAts into thinking he's going to spend the rest of his lifelong term getting things done when he's already broken his promise to end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours.
 
There's something pretty offputting about this. The flags are harmless, even if you disagree with them and what they stand for. Why is he restricting freedom of expression if it goes against what he believes? Also, this is just cheap, easy bait to fool MAGAts into thinking he's going to spend the rest of his lifelong term getting things done when he's already broken his promise to end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours.
you would have a great point if we weren't talking about displaying it on federal premises.
 
There's something pretty offputting about this. The flags are harmless, even if you disagree with them and what they stand for. Why is he restricting freedom of expression if it goes against what he believes? Also, this is just cheap, easy bait to fool MAGAts into thinking he's going to spend the rest of his lifelong term getting things done when he's already broken his promise to end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours.
Government buildings don't have freedom of expression.
 
There's something pretty offputting about this. The flags are harmless, even if you disagree with them and what they stand for. Why is he restricting freedom of expression if it goes against what he believes? Also, this is just cheap, easy bait to fool MAGAts into thinking he's going to spend the rest of his lifelong term getting things done when he's already broken his promise to end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours.
Because the government shouldn't be endorsing fag sex while I wait at the DMV.
 
I heard a funny Freudian slip on the radio a little while ago, about Trump canceling all asylum entries on Monday:

"...this prevents asylum seekers who are fleeing war and prosecution from entering the US..."

Yeah lady, we know a lot of them are criminals, that's the point.
She probably meant for other things most people agree shouldn’t be persecuted but still.

The best counter argument to that line of reasoning is how the fuck did an afgani woman or whatever magically appear in Mexico and is seeking asylum in the US. I’m spelling out the obvious here but those people simply want to cut ahead of the line and are using asylum as a shortcut.

Asylum is for escaping danger to the closest safe place, like Ukrainians fleeing into Poland. Not going halfway around the world so you can work in construction for $5 an hour.
 
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