Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Kuritan Deplorable]

It is the kind of negotiations that takes 15 minutes, where Trump asks "what do you need", Putin tells him his demands, Trump says "sounds good, they shake hands and the war is over".

I think there's merit to this. Trump can just announce it himself before its even signed by Ukraine, "War's over, we've got a deal, all good" and leave it to big Z to either shit on the parade and his most important military ally and supporter by saying "No", or leave Z to deal with it when he nods along, because the alternative is Trump announcing "Well we brokered a deal, the best deal we could, and Ukraine immediately violated the conditions of the deal, my deal, insulting me personally, so we're not going to help them, and we're not going to help anyone who helps them".

He'll have his campaign promise to bring an end to the war one way or another, and if Z tries to keep fighting, he's fucked. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a breaking point for the AFU morale if he did try to keep fighting imagine being told "War's over" and then shortly after "Zelensky rejected the end to the war, back to the trenches before the blocking units shoot you."

Its definitely an optimistic take, but hey, I'm feeling pretty optimistic right now. A lot of "This will never happens" have started happening in just the last three days, what's one more to the pile.

 

[There Is Light At The End]

It's impossible for me or an app to translate this but really, I don't even think its necessary. What a bastard state Ukraine is.

A guy expected to gloat over men catchers instead got very sad and depressed over the state of things. I don't blame him for desire to gloat, if you bear in mind the amount of shit that was thrown towards Russians on the Internet

 

[The Foxtrot]

Putin genuinely admired the balls on Trump for taking that and just immediately getting back up like a champion. I think there is a good chance Putin can win Trump's good graces, especially as Z man becomes more and more unreasonable. Besides Trump remembers when people backstab or ignore him.

As far as I am aware, neither man has made a deal with the other and then went back on their word (Biden & co. fucking up Trump's work doesn't count), and there's clearly mutual respect and understanding to some degree between them.

I think there's merit to this. Trump can just announce it himself before its even signed by Ukraine, "War's over, we've got a deal, all good" and leave it to big Z to either shit on the parade and his most important military ally and supporter by saying "No", or leave Z to deal with it when he nods along, because the alternative is Trump announcing "Well we brokered a deal, the best deal we could, and Ukraine immediately violated the conditions of the deal, my deal, insulting me personally, so we're not going to help them, and we're not going to help anyone who helps them".

He'll have his campaign promise to bring an end to the war one way or another, and if Z tries to keep fighting, he's fucked. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a breaking point for the AFU morale if he did try to keep fighting imagine being told "War's over" and then shortly after "Zelensky rejected the end to the war, back to the trenches before the blocking units shoot you."

Its definitely an optimistic take, but hey, I'm feeling pretty optimistic right now. A lot of "This will never happens" have started happening in just the last three days, what's one more to the pile.

I'd bet on this. This fits Trump's style and would let him wash his hands of Ukraine entirely while minimizing any backlash against him at home, especially if he can also make Zalinsky out to be an ungrateful asshat who chose to keep the war going anyway. That would ruin any future narrative of "If only we'd supported Ukraine's GLORIOUS MARCH TO VICTORY a little more!" that will inevitably crop up in a few years' time.

 

[Slicc Vicc]

Don't underestimate the brown plague factor in the piggerland junta. Even if Zelensky says yes, the core nazis will likely not comply with anything. I'd even bet there is a scenario prepared where Z concedes and swiftly gets couped.
Piggerland is fucked no matter what the anglophone cretins are hoping for

 

[MrJokerRager]

Don't underestimate the brown plague factor in the piggerland junta. Even if Zelensky says yes, the core nazis will likely not comply with anything. I'd even bet there is a scenario prepared where Z concedes and swiftly gets couped.
Piggerland is fucked no matter what the anglophone cretins are hoping for

Trump can have Azov returned right back to the terrorist watch list.

Where they originally were iirc. Before Biden had them removed.

 

[There Is Light At The End]

Залез в пак и понял что у меня уже 12 (двенадцать, сука) часов бусификации и около неё. Сидел, отсматривал топовые моменты, а у самого прям тлен и безысходность. Свиноловы лютуют, Тарасики орут, Порксанки визжат, дети плачут. Пиздос кароч. Думал покекаю, сделаю весёлую нарезочку, а сам блин дизмораль словил. Пойду ща пожалуй на свинач, избавлюсь от мышебратства.

Full translation:
I have opened the folder and realized that I have (fucking) 12 hours of bussyfication by TCC. Watched highlights and catched the feeling of total depression and ruin. Swine catchers are going full boar, Taras and Homa are yelling, Porksanas(multiple for Porksana) screams, children cry. Fucking hell. I thought I'll be keking, make a funny montage but instead got a hit by dismoral. I'll go to (imageboard) and get rid of (мышебратсво is a twisted phrase мы же братья - we are brothers)

 

[Radola Gajda]

And then it got worse.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Speaking of, the pidor folded:
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Nah.

I will elaborate. Right now Zelensky (and, by extension, his government) are left in the dark. Back in 2022 Zelensky boasted he can call any world leader at any time and there was an endless procession of EU and US dignitaries lining up to be dined in Kiev. Trump has completely cut him off, and I mean completely: so far Zelensky only managed to talk to him for half an hour when they both visited France to celebrate the reopening of the Notre Dame, and it was an unplanned conversation that left Trump visibly annoyed. At the moment, the members of Zelensky's administration cannot even get hold of Trump's aides. He has no idea what Trump is going to do, but to be fair, nobody does.

So Zelensky is weatherwaning, spinning around madly to see which way the wind blows. It's pretty obvious from his recent Davos statements that contradict one another. Trump tweets he is imposing YUUUGE tariffs on Russia? Zelensky says there will be no negotiations until the 2022 borders are restored. Trump says he will make peace? Zelensky bounces and squeaks he is ready to end the war immediately.

Mind you, he made both statements in the same day.

 

[demicolon]

Announcing some kind of peace deal would put Zman in a very interesting position: he could either go with it thus agreeing to anything without being able to barter it down first, or he could defy it thus dispelling any doubt that he's the one issuing orders, or even that he ever was.

 

[Slicc Vicc]

So resistance members (!!!) have derailed a pigger train in Rovno (in the WEST).

Spoiler: suck it SBU niggers

 

[Meh123]

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And then it got worse.

This is unusual for the RuAF, they usually leave a narrow corridor and let the piggers run the gauntlet.
Apparently they weren't joking with the ultimatum.

https://x.com/HistoryLegends_/status/1882438742411223513

The salt in the comments is Soledar grade delicious.

So Zelensky is weatherwaning, spinning around madly to see which way the wind blows. It's pretty obvious from his recent Davos statements that contradict one another. Trump tweets he is imposing YUUUGE tariffs on Russia? Zelensky says there will be no negotiations until the 2022 borders are restored. Trump says he will make peace? Zelensky bounces and squeaks he is ready to end the war immediately.

Mind you, he made both statements in the same day.

He isn't contradicting himself. He is ready for peace. By that he means unconditional russian surrender, restoration of the... you get it.
The same bs "peace formula" as before.

 

[Legalize Asbestos]

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Operational encirclement. What a sign of the times.

 

[Dawdler]

I doubt OPEC will listen.

Russia is currently in an alliance with OPEC, through an expanded group known as OPEC+

Operational encirclement. What a sign of the times.

This can only happen with the poorest of generals.
While this is a valid strategy to turn the middle line into a meatgrinder with one swift push, the troops are doomed due to lack of supplies and already strained by losses.
Will see when this map updates. Interesting turn of events. The front will advance faster and faster as one side gets stronger and the other decimated.

 

[Meh123]

While this is a valid strategy to turn the middle line into a meatgrinder with one swift push, the troops are doomed due to lack of supplies and already strained by losses.

Russians usually do this because if troops are completely cut off, they have two options: surrender or fight, and there IS a chance - especially with ukrainians - that they choose the later.
If there is a corridor where they can escape, they will try it instead of a last effort hail mary, and will take huge losses in the process. Less dangerous for russian soldriers, at the cost of letting some ukies escape.

 

[Michael Wade]

This is unusual for the RuAF, they usually leave a narrow corridor and let the piggers run the gauntlet.
Apparently they weren't joking with the ultimatum.


The salt in the comments is Soledar grade delicious.

He isn't contradicting himself. He is ready for peace. By that he means unconditional russian surrender, restoration of the... you get it.
The same bs "peace formula" as before.

That's not going to play well with Trump. He's not in a pussyfooting mood these days.

 

[Dawdler]

Russians usually do this because if troops are completely cut off, they have two options: surrender or fight, and there IS a chance - especially with ukrainians - that they choose the later.
If there is a corridor where they can escape, they will try it instead of a last effort hail mary, and will take huge losses in the process. Less dangerous for russian soldriers, at the cost of letting some ukies escape.

Interesting
So it's basically just reducing the losses as it cuts the fighting in half

 

[YautjaWeeb]

Interesting
So it's basically just reducing the losses as it cuts the fighting in half

Conventionally, the victor will take the heaviest casualties when pursuing a retreating enemy. Entertainment media made for western consumption will not convey this statistical reality.

 

[Betonhaus]

Mixed signals
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I don't see the mixed signals. Anyone who listened to factual information about the war would realize that there's so much lying on the NATO side that Trump would do an audit to determine how much has actually been lost.

 

[TexWiller]

They are never going to be allowed into the EU. Not until they have rooted out all the corruption, which will never happen.

How long have for example Turkey, which is way less corrupt than Ukraine, been in the process for joining the EU? 40 years?
Absolutely no chance ever of Ukraine joining the EU in our lifetime.

The EU commission does whatever it wants, rules be damned. Look what they did in Romania. They will get Ukraine in EU tomorrow if it wasnt that many member states just said no.
Just listen to any speech of Dracula von der Lyin'.

I don't think the war will stop in the next few days. These developments remind me of the couple of months before the war, when everyone was "negotiating" with Russia.

And just like then, I don't think the Russians will listen. Russia is probably about to launch a general offensive that Ukraine won't survive unless America sends tens of billions of dollars more of aid, which Trump can't do since that would go against his promises of putting "America first", and betraying his voters in the first days of holding office, especially when there are large fires on American soil, would be catastrophic for his support.

Clearly USA has a lot more leverage towards Ukr than Ru. So if Trumps wants to stop the conflict, the pressure will be on Ukr.
I never got an answer to my question: what business has US in Ukr, beyod the insane plans of the mad neocons?

As far as i can see, attacks deep into russian territory are still ongoing, so not sure if CIA has been neutralized yet as these attacks require intel and support.
Trump really needs to get into CIA with a large weedwhacker and do a lot of cleaning. Does he have the power to do it?

 

[Dawdler]

Conventionally, the victor will take the heaviest casualties when pursuing a retreating enemy. Entertainment media made for western consumption will not convey this statistical reality.

It was usually that 90% of losses were when military was retreating?

I don't see the mixed signals. Anyone who listened to factual information about the war would realize that there's so much lying on the NATO side that Trump would do an audit to determine how much has actually been lost.

Audit or anything else will cause all front lines to collapse.
If that happens, Ukraine is gone