Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Battle droids were portrayed as pedantic, dim-witted disposable soldiers that can get easily outsmarted in the movies, so it's not a flanderization for them to act like that in The Clone Wars when programming has advanced to the point where they'd have a personality. Even B2s, which are the scary iron fortresses, acted like that in the movies.

Actually, no. B1s in TPM marched to their doom even if the odds were against them. They have no self-preservation instinct; they're selfless in the worst way possible, they'll let themselves get killed rather than abandon the mission. In AOTC, they openly charged at a field of Jedi and were winning before the Clone Army arrived. Even the B2s in ROTS just had funny voices before Artoo burned them, but they didn't run like cowards.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Battle droids were portrayed as pedantic, dim-witted disposable soldiers that can get easily outsmarted in the movies, so it's not a flanderization for them to act like that in The Clone Wars when programming has advanced to the point where they'd have a personality. Even B2s, which are the scary iron fortresses, acted like that in the movies.

I remember watching TPM in theaters and loving the droidekas- mobile, shielded, and with enough automatic blasterfire to make Jedi rabbit.

Those were the days when we at least got some cool stuff from the bad guys.

 

[Adamska]

Battle droids were portrayed as pedantic, dim-witted disposable soldiers that can get easily outsmarted in the movies, so it's not a flanderization for them to act like that in The Clone Wars when programming has advanced to the point where they'd have a personality. Even B2s, which are the scary iron fortresses, acted like that in the movies.

There was comical bits for the B1s, but I mostly remember the majority of it being in Episode 3 and when George and Dave did their show for babies. Even then the best shit was mostly held by him and Dave's autism holding the other's back, and it still was made its own canon since George realized on some level it was fanfic. That was when George became convinced that the "idiot's take on Saturday Morning Cartoons" was the best approach.

Plus it was mostly in response to R2 if I remember right in the film proper; something about him unzipping all those doodads and reeing. It also was when he decided to raise their voices to make them sound goofy too.

For all I ding on how the B1 and their masses as a threat got botched during their introduction and first impression, they were mostly treated seriously in Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. Even when Qui Gon and Obi Wan smashed through them with no difficulties at all and without a rebuttal, they were not killed comedically and they moved on. Hell, the droidekas exist as a plot measure to show that even them being as powerful as they are can't just solo the Trade Federation.

Sure, you don't really quite see their imposing swarm as well as could be done during the invasion, but it was at least serviceable. I'd have preferred to see them fight and overwhelm the Security Forces in a mild battle first, but still. Besides, the third act does exactly what I complained about; it's late to the party but it does arrive. They were successfully shown as intimidating during the climax where they fucking crushed the Gungans in weight of numbers. No matter how many they demolished they kept coming, and there was nothing to be done but delay them. That was something I give Phantom credit for.

Them being clowns and Grievous being turned into more of a bitch and Dooku becoming Snidely Whiplash was mostly Clone Wars retcons.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Them being clowns and Grievous being turned into more of a bitch and Dooku becoming Snidely Whiplash was mostly Clone Wars retcons.

Then you also had the Clones' DINDU NUFFIN cycle added on top, which kind of dulls their edge when they're all suddenly good, instead of being professionals hiding a darker side to them.

For fuck's sake, they were cloned from an anti-hero bounty-hunter who had no problems going full IRA/Wahhabist against innocent senators who wanted to stop a war from breaking out. Dooku picked the guy because he murdered the shit out of Jedi on some battlefield, then killed a Dark Jedi druglord. Then all of a sudden, the clones all come out tidy and straight like boy scouts? My ass.

I wanted to see the Null-ARCs, Clone Commandos, and even Clone Assassins do black-ops shit like killing Jedi who questioned Republic orders then pinning their deaths on the Seps, or killing local leaders before they can make the choice to secede and "arranging" for them to get replaced by Palpatine toadies. I wanted to see the dark side of the Republic where the clones massacre half of a planet's populace because the people voted for the Seppies. I wanted to see the Clone Army to warcrime their way and slowly evolve into what would become the fucking Stormtrooper Corps. But no, instead, they separate the two, and act like the clones never got into it, even though in the real lore, the clones were the monsters of the Stormtrooper Corps, where they bullied the shit out of the birth-born recruits and they were the ones skilled enough to kill the Order 66 Jedi survivors.

Someone like Cal Kestis would get wiped out by the 501st Legion during their missions. I can imagine him as the Jedi who started the Death Star riot, and I can easily buy the 501st clones killing him during said riot.

The only dark side to the Republic we see is when the clones and Tarkin persecute Filoni's waifu Ahsoka, which, given that she resisted arrest and even punched members of the military police in the face, would justifiably give Tarkin enough ammo to get her relieved of command and tossed in a jail cell for a few months, even though she was innocent of the Temple bombings.

 

[Registration]

https://youtu.be/Rc6aTbURRTM?si=euXhOaju4152XQUt

This type of stuff always bothers me: I still don't understand why people care about the thoughts that George Lucas had on the old EU. It wasn't made for him to read/consume. He wasn't the target for those books so why even clutch to these idea of him chancelling its existence?

It is such a weird behaviour like a kid looking up to his not giving a shit father expecting approval for him to like it.

 

[Male Idiot]

Oh and don't forget the CHAZ

Chaz isn't a real country, but the closest. Even the most silly haitian crime gang is way more dangerous than Filoni's troopers, and the niggers have no walkers.

Null-ARCs

Clone troopers of the Null-Arc phase will pitilessly make a holonet forum and shit talk Nute Gunray all day.

 

[anti SJW]

I wish that it was real.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

 

[CyrusHowler]

I’ve been against gatekeeping for a long time, fighting hard against it actually. With Fallout as a franchise specifically.

But with the methodical destruction of Star Wars over the past 12+ years I’ve started to realize that maybe I’m a hypocrite because I hate what has been done to Star Wars.

I’m conflicted because I hate the fandom usage of the word “tourist” and I hate the idea of gatekeeping but then I look at Star Wars, video games as a whole really, and I think that maybe gatekeeping isn’t so bad.

 

[Space Police]

I’ve been against gatekeeping for a long time, fighting hard against it actually. With Fallout as a franchise specifically.

But with the methodical destruction of Star Wars over the past 12+ years I’ve started to realize that maybe I’m a hypocrite because I hate what has been done to Star Wars.

I’m conflicted because I hate the fandom usage of the word “tourist” and I hate the idea of gatekeeping but then I look at Star Wars, video games as a whole really, and I think that maybe gatekeeping isn’t so bad.

The only people who needed to be gatekept from Star Wars are greedy Disney executives who pander to the most obnoxious parts of the fanbase -- first Reddit Letter Media, then Furloni worshippers -- for quick profit. Nobody would have an issue with Rey if she was in a good trilogy; I think lots of people wouldn't have cared about woke or whatever if George Lucas's sequel trilogy (which had a girl protagonist) was made.

 

[CyrusHowler]

The only people who needed to be gatekept from Star Wars are greedy Disney executives who pander to the most obnoxious parts of the fanbase -- first Reddit Letter Media, then Furloni worshippers -- for quick profit. Nobody would have an issue with Rey if she was in a good trilogy; I think lots of people wouldn't have cared about woke or whatever if George Lucas's sequel trilogy (which had a girl protagonist) was made.

Yeah I concur.
People hate Rey because she’s a bad character, not because she’s a girl.

Star Wars Theory has even faltered on Filoni which is good to see. One of the only ones left with integrity and they hate him for it.

 

[Commander X]

Disney have owned Star Wars for 12 years and just still have no idea what to do with the franchise. It's indistinguishable from the product of AI generators at this point, these Disney SW concept makers can only use existing things made by someone else, stapling them together and reanimating them.

People can say what they want about the EU but there was a lot of bizarre, creative and unique creations within it. It was made for a slightly more niche audience and more people than you'd expect were allowed to experiment and play with it. Now every Disney Star Wars product looks the same or has to reuse the same ideas. It has to be marketed and recognizable. Insistent referencing of the first trilogy, with only vague callbacks to the Clone Wars, nothing new.

 

[William Murderface]

There shouldn't be any Jedi Order 66 survivors. Those that aren't killed by Order 66 are methodically hunted down by the Empire and Vader until all that's left are Obi-Wan and Yoda. The rest are gone. Tarkin even says so to Vader after Kenobi is killed when he says Vader is the last Jedi. "...their fire has gone out...". Presumably everyone thinks Yoda has just died of old age. There shouldn't be any left.

It's hard to think that of all the hidden Jedi none of them join the Rebellion and none of them say after Luke destroys the Death Star "hmm, I should go meet him and if he is the Son of Skywalker train him as best I can..."

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

There shouldn't be any Jedi Order 66 survivors. Those that aren't killed by Order 66 are methodically hunted down by the Empire and Vader until all that's left are Obi-Wan and Yoda. The rest are gone. Tarkin even says so to Vader after Kenobi is killed when he says Vader is the last Jedi. "...their fire has gone out...". Presumably everyone thinks Yoda has just died of old age. There shouldn't be any left.

It's hard to think that of all the hidden Jedi none of them join the Rebellion and none of them say after Luke destroys the Death Star "hmm, I should go meet him and if he is the Son of Skywalker train him as best I can..."

The only way for Jedi to survive would be to fuck off to the Unknown Regions, where they would presumably stop being aware of how things were going back in the Empire.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

There shouldn't be any Jedi Order 66 survivors. Those that aren't killed by Order 66 are methodically hunted down by the Empire and Vader until all that's left are Obi-Wan and Yoda. The rest are gone. Tarkin even says so to Vader after Kenobi is killed when he says Vader is the last Jedi. "...their fire has gone out...". Presumably everyone thinks Yoda has just died of old age. There shouldn't be any left.

It's hard to think that of all the hidden Jedi none of them join the Rebellion and none of them say after Luke destroys the Death Star "hmm, I should go meet him and if he is the Son of Skywalker train him as best I can..."

Six Gorillion Jedi were all simultaneously shot in the back and no one is allowed to question it.

 

[Ghostse]

There shouldn't be any Jedi Order 66 survivors. Those that aren't killed by Order 66 are methodically hunted down by the Empire and Vader until all that's left are Obi-Wan and Yoda. The rest are gone. Tarkin even says so to Vader after Kenobi is killed when he says Vader is the last Jedi. "...their fire has gone out...". Presumably everyone thinks Yoda has just died of old age. There shouldn't be any left.

It's hard to think that of all the hidden Jedi none of them join the Rebellion and none of them say after Luke destroys the Death Star "hmm, I should go meet him and if he is the Son of Skywalker train him as best I can..."

That's because there never was any Order 66. Its all a Jedi lie.

That's why they can never decide if it was programming during training or brain chips that made the Clones turn on the Jedi. Becasue they didn't. If Palptine controlled the clones - a whole army and navy - why didn't he just use orbital bombardment to waste the jedi? why have them shot at by deflectable blasters?

 

[Weltraumfürst]

I never saw the problem with Order 66 survivors. Please check my facts, but if we take every source into account it's around 120 people in total by 4 ABY. The number I've heard was that there were 10000 Jedi in the entire galaxy by the end of the Clone Wars, if that's accurate, the Empire had successfully killed or converted 99% of them by the time Vader died. There's a reddit post that does a really autistic breakdown. Considering that the survivors were individual people and there were no Jedi enclaves after the purge, it's plausible that the Empire didn't get them all, especially since Sheev didn't consider a handful of individual Jedi a threat worth hunting down.

Additionally, I think out of the 120 survivors there were only two working with the Rebellion, Rahm Kota and Qu Rahn.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I never saw the problem with Order 66 survivors. Please check my facts, but if we take every source into account it's around 120 people in total by 4 ABY. The number I've heard was that there were 10000 Jedi in the entire galaxy by the end of the Clone Wars, if that's accurate, the Empire had successfully killed or converted 99% of them by the time Vader died. There's a reddit post that does a really autistic breakdown. Considering that the survivors were individual people and there were no Jedi enclaves after the purge, it's plausible that the Empire didn't get them all, especially since Sheev didn't consider a handful of individual Jedi a threat worth hunting down.

Additionally, I think out of the 120 survivors there were only two working with the Rebellion, Rahm Kota and Qu Rahn.

Jedi holocaust jokes aside, it ruins the tragedy to see random Jedi and Jedi looking people show up in Star Wars in the Empire era. Each time it happens, it makes Luke less special and makes people wonder why the Jedi didn't join the Rebellion. Rahm is an acceptable exception because he doesn't set the kind of precedent Disney Wars does what with going blind and all. Every non Luke Jedi has to suffer a horrible fate to make sense, which Disney Wars doesn't want to do.

 

[Ghostse]

I never saw the problem with Order 66 survivors.

I do. For three reasons.

The first is once you poke the hole in "The Jedi are all dead" dam, the whole thing rapidly crumbles. I joke about there being being more jedi who survived Order 66 than died in it, but not by much. Its massively overused.
Kenobi survived because he beat the shit out his Order 66 buddy and escaped while he was too busy turning into the last hotdog at the BBQ to chase him. Yoda was just isolated (That was one of the things I didn't like about Yoda in RotS where it undermined the idea that Dagobah was where Yoda had been for time immemorial shaping whiny bitches into jedi knights)

The second is now you have a "what the fuck did they do during the civil war?" problem. Once they blow up the deathstar that's a thing that won't escape notice. So unless you kill them off before hand

The third is "this completely destroys the 'rebuilding the Jedi by starting fresh' thing. Now I know DidneyWaz has fucked this into the ground, but in the EU it massively degrades Luke's exploration of the force and growth from warrior to leader as he has to rediscover how to teach force mastery to the next generation if he can just go "Yo can you teach these kids how to do a force push?"

Now, there were some clever dodges I don't take much issue with. There was the one Jedi who had relinquished his post as as knight/master before Order 66 - that's valid. Dude also IIRC explains away his lack of involvement because he just felt like he was too old. Cal from Jedi Survivor I'll buy because he was a padawan. The padawans escaping are really only an issue in the number.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I do. For three reasons.

The first is once you poke the hole in "The Jedi are all dead" dam, the whole thing rapidly crumbles. I joke about there being being more jedi who survived Order 66 than died in it, but not by much. Its massively overused.
Kenobi survived because he beat the shit out his Order 66 buddy and escaped while he was too busy turning into the last hotdog at the BBQ to chase him. Yoda was just isolated (That was one of the things I didn't like about Yoda in RotS where it undermined the idea that Dagobah was where Yoda had been for time immemorial shaping whiny bitches into jedi knights)

The second is now you have a "what the fuck did they do during the civil war?" problem. Once they blow up the deathstar that's a thing that won't escape notice. So unless you kill them off before hand

The third is "this completely destroys the 'rebuilding the Jedi by starting fresh' thing. Now I know DidneyWaz has fucked this into the ground, but in the EU it massively degrades Luke's exploration of the force and growth from warrior to leader as he has to rediscover how to teach force mastery to the next generation if he can just go "Yo can you teach these kids how to do a force push?"

Now, there were some clever dodges I don't take much issue with. There was the one Jedi who had relinquished his post as as knight/master before Order 66 - that's valid. Dude also IIRC explains away his lack of involvement because he just felt like he was too old. Cal from Jedi Survivor I'll buy because he was a padawan. The padawans escaping are really only an issue in the number.

Yoda was hiding in Dagobah from the Empire. It's obvious that it wasn't being used as a Jedi training ground since "time immemorial". Otherwise there'd be a Jedi Temple there.

Most SWEU Order 66 survivors wind up getting killed by Vader, the 501st, or some other Imperial Force-user whose job it was to hunt them down. Palpatine usually dragged his feet when it came to hunting them down because he liked the idea of the Jedi hiding out in bumblefuck worlds, bowing their heads in shame before the Sith.