Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Patty Q. Anonlinson]

Said never-gonna-troon troon

Was it a concern before that made you talk to him about it, or was it just all out of the blue?

I've started becoming extremely suspicious now of any guy who wears nail polish or grows their hair long.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Friend from college decided to become a tranny. I assumed he’d be some kind of fag, nobody hated gays more than him. He was a huge pushover, kind of a meek/kid like nerd. Nintendo, Uber Christian parents, that kind of thing. Was athletic/fit and could have scored lots of poon if he was less spergy. Not terribly happy about it.

Edit: I think I was kind of a shitty friend to him. When I say he was a pushover, I picked on him more than I should have. I can't say for sure but I think I was basically his only IRL friend. We had a mutual friend, but that friend only hung out with him if I was around... A while before he moved I was kind of getting bored of hanging out, but I kept doing it both out of concern for him (because of that) and because I knew you don't just end a friendship because you're not feeling it for a short while. I missed him later. He was too online and the first warning sign was one time when I suckered him (Mr. Religion) into looking at some fucked up Nintendo Rule 34 and I saw him crack a pervy smile. Years later, chatting on Steam, he was all uWu and furry avatar and stuff like that. It wasn't a surprise that he fell into that hole.

Here's the funny thing, I just remembered how we used to be able to do the entire Old Gregg dialogue from memory.

He's become Old Gregg.

 

[LimeRikki]

I mentioned a while back a friend I had who is transitioning her child. There's been some tension between me and her, because I refuse to honor the child's pronouns as picked by her and I remain "neutral" ( I literally only used the child's name, no pronouns, and when she tries to engage in attention seeking behavior regarding how she is choosing to dress her little boy as a girl I greyrock her.) I continue to hope that in a few years, she will wake up and because I've remained in her life but as a neutral party, she may feel safe to talk to me. I know that her husband is not on board and has told me that everyday he prays that this will end and he can have his son back.

I visited the family recently and I was shocked by how out of control the little boy who's being transition's behavior has become. His mother openly talks about how he has to have multiple therapists, because he has depressive spirals on a weekly basis. He also has some of the most severe attention seeking I've ever seen in a small child (he's still in elementary school). This kid cannot go more than 30 seconds without somebody giving him undivided attention , and once those 30 seconds are up and no one is paying attention, he starts to act out physically and loudly. He'll turn on all the electronics in the house full volume when he wakes up before his parents, because if he's awake, everyone else needs to be awake and paying attention to him. He is out of control. He also gets undressed for attention and his Mom has gotten reports from home about how other students and teachers are uncomfortable because he won't stop talking about his penis or referring to his penis in class. He also grabs his chest and fondles it and calls those his "boobies". Their other children are normal and do not have any of these behavioral issues. This child also had behavioral issues before his Mom started putting him in a dress and calling him a girl, but they have dramatically worsened since.

This is so fucked up.

 

[glass_houses]

@LimeRikki if your 'friend' isn't sexually abusing the boy, someone else definitely is.

 

[Not A Bunny]

@LimeRikki if your 'friend' isn't sexually abusing the boy, someone else definitely is.

1000%. For the love of Christ, call protective services. Kids who are that fixated on their sexual organs are getting it from somewhere.

Also, multiple therapists? What the fuck for? Do they talk to each other?

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

1000%. For the love of Christ, call protective services.

In most jurisdictions this will just out the "unsupportive" father as a "mental abuser" and he may be forced to leave the home and have no contact with the "victim."

Very bad idea.

If you are determined to meddle, help dad escape with the kids to a country where extradition is unlikely. But he won't go for that- he is too much of a pussy to tell his deranged wife to stop abusing his son in front of his face.

 

[Super Mario Brothers]

Honestly it seems that every one of my previous internet friends have either transitioned or "transitioned" over the past 10 years. This doesn't really affect me the same way it used to. I mean it still hurts but mostly because of things like knowing a detransitioner before I even knew what the word was. Even getting the tit chop and everything.

What is really starting to hurt me more is that uh... how do I put this... seeing adults advocating for very "pedo-lite" rhetoric. I don't know if they're conscious of it, and I think I've seen too many people do it for them to all be secret pedophiles. Some of them also claimed to be csa victims.

Generally a conversation will go like this.

A: We need to prevent people from preventing minors from transitioning.
Me: I don't think minors should transition.
A: What the fuck? You bigoted transphobe!

(This is irregardless of whether or not I said anything about experiencing gender dysphoria.)

Most of the time it does involve them chimping out. The other times it will be them taking it calmly, but sometimes trying to get me to agree in a very sneaky way. And then I've seen trans people agree with me, but they get kicked out of their own communities.

Normally I would say this is regulated to online except for when it fucking wasn't. I had an ex who I had a lot of issues with looking back that I overlooked. And he wasn't trans or gay, but I remember venting about Drag Queen Story Hour and he fucking decided to defend it. I was fucking horrified but downplayed my reaction. I'm really glad I'm not with him any more, but it does make me scared of anyone even remotely liberal now.

Honestly I've just learned that it's better to be alone than around people who can possibly hurt you. "Accidental" pedophilia or child harm almost always comes with some type of different "accidental" abuse. Whether they do it because it's intentional or because their brains never developed past a certain age doesn't matter, if I let them into my life I'll eventually be the one paying for it.

 

[Not A Bunny]

if I let them into my life I'll eventually be the one paying for it.

Exactly.

If you meet someone from a group with exceptionally extreme elements, even if that person seems reasonable, assume they are not far from someone who isn't.

Let them call it transphobia. Tell them to purge the ugly elements of their fringe movement before they get to judge you for the company you keep.

 

[TismFarmer]

I posted on the Farms recently about how I accidentally outed myself as a transphobe to my Daughter-in-law.
A few weeks later, we were given the run-around when we tried to organise for him to stay with us for the holidays as is usual.
Now.
Fucken Now!
They recently moved house, and in light of the fact that said Grandy won't be visiting during the holidays, we asked for their new address so we could post presents etc.
No.
We can't.
I'm So Fucken FURIOUS!!
How DARE they!
Do they actually want to pretend we would turn up to their house (in a different city) unannounced and uninvited?
Do they think we're going to send some anti-woke manifesto to our barely verbal Grandkid?
I'm so tired, but I can't just let this go, every week that slips by without us having a relationship with him, is one more week for his memories of us all to fade and become less important.

 

[LimeRikki]

@LimeRikki if your 'friend' isn't sexually abusing the boy, someone else definitely is.

I agree. A small child doesn't start that behavior spontaneously. This was also behavior he did not demonstrate prior to being put in a dress and called a girl.

I don't think it's the parents, and I really can't go into detail about why i'm certain about that that without power leveling. However, I can think of a few of their family friends who, at the very least, are probably using grooming language around him. ( They are close friends with a pooner and a few troons)

If you are determined to meddle, help dad escape with the kids to a country where extradition is unlikely.

Her husband is too spineless to do more than complain when his Wife and the kids aren't around. The most he's done is said that she is not allowed to start medically transitioning him until he is 16, but if the rate things are changing in this country, they're not even going to have that option, which does make me feel better a little better.

I'm not going to meddle, there are a number of reasons for this, many of which are practical, that I can't go into without power leveling. I am remaining a neutral party that they can talk to without feeling like they're going to be judged if they start having doubts, because all of their other friends are super progressive. My gambit is a long haul one, because if you have someone who finally starts having doubts, but they have no one to talk to, they're just going to get sucked right back into the cult.

At the end of the day, I think this kid has some serious psychological problems and some kind of underlying psychological condition that needs to be diagnosed. The problem is his Mother is now attributing all of his bad behavior to transphobia and other people not understanding enough. And at least one of the therapists is specifically for trans kids and gender affirming stuff, and then they've also got other types of occupational and play therapies going on, and none of it is helping.

The whole family is just more stressed and more miserable every time I see them, and it's only getting worse.

Edits: spelling

 

[It's Little Alex Horne]

@LimeRikki if your 'friend' isn't sexually abusing the boy, someone else definitely is.

Alas, that friend invoked the heckin' magical transgenderino word, which means that in today's clown world, she could pimp out the boy to a gaggle of depraved homosexuals and CPS would give her a gold star for "affirming her child's gender"

 

[Aunt Carol]

I posted on the Farms recently about how I accidentally outed myself as a transphobe to my Daughter-in-law.

For context, that post is here, in the Peak Trans thread.

When you failed to show adequate sympathy for sex offenders, was it both your son and DiL who were doing the talking or arguing with you, or was it your DiL with your son hanging back?

I think it'd be a mistake to do anything that could potentially come across as trying to "turn your son against her," and you should assume any message you send to him gets read by both of them. However, if this is a change in his attitudes, it's reasonable to think she's driving it. Is she the primary caregiver for your grandkid? If she's in any disability mom support groups online, those tend to skew heavily pro-trans... and would be full of supportive strangers if she asked about going "low contact" with the kid's "transphobic" grandmother.

It's such a frustrating, senseless overreaction. And like you would even be talking to your grandkid about prison policy over his visit in the first place.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

A recently-trooned acquaintance told a group of friends he was disappointed that we weren't "interested" in his "journey". I hadn't the faintest idea how to respond to that in a way that contained even a hint of diplomacy. So...what is this an attention and exhibitionism thing? I mean, I KNOW it's an attention thing, but the confession isn't usually so straightforward. I'm struggling to place myself in the shoes of someone sympathetic to troonery here despite having an unfortunate amount of experience being around them. What...exactly would someone do to be "interested"? "Hey Skinwalker, how're your TIDDIES feeling today? Notice any new funny flutterings in your...legs? Are your wigs expensive?"

I suppose it's extra difficult when you know it's a fetish, but this I can't wrap my head around. I wouldn't head over to my bestie's house and hit her with "Hey, how's it hanging? Got any gross fixations on AO3 tags I should know about? Do you get aroused in the evening? Are your nipples sensitive?" Not only because I'm not interested, but because that's disgusting.

 

[TismFarmer]

For context, that post is here, in the Peak Trans thread.

When you failed to show adequate sympathy for sex offenders, was it both your son and DiL who were doing the talking or arguing with you, or was it your DiL with your son hanging back?

I think it'd be a mistake to do anything that could potentially come across as trying to "turn your son against her," and you should assume any message you send to him gets read by both of them. However, if this is a change in his attitudes, it's reasonable to think she's driving it. Is she the primary caregiver for your grandkid? If she's in any disability mom support groups online, those tend to skew heavily pro-trans... and would be full of supportive strangers if she asked about going "low contact" with the kid's "transphobic" grandmother.

It's such a frustrating, senseless overreaction. And like you would even be talking to your grandkid about prison policy over his visit in the first place.

Son said NOTHING.
He will never say anything to go against whoever is on 'his' side.
Although I do think he would draw the line at grooming, and it would take extensive grooming for this kid to act trans. It takes hard work to make him act human...

DIL is in education. And a Redditor. She is 100% the kind who would be in support groups or have friends who will support 'LC or NC with transphobe MIL'

I'm pretty sure we are already labeled some bad things anyway just from being, well.. Us. The kind of people who post on the Farms...
But I never thought they'd do this.

It's definitely punishment for our wrongthink and not any fears we will influence Gk. They know what we do and say around him and its perfectly innocent. He's not our kid. We don't decide how he's brought up. We would never do anything his parents wouldn't agree with. And they know it.

I'm so fucken angry still that I can't yet talk to Son about it.
I'm going to wait till I'm able to be calm and pretend nothing is wrong.

 

[Ed Special]

Son said NOTHING.
He will never say anything to go against whoever is on 'his' side.

What he needs to figure out, is that these things aren't on "his" side. They aren't on anyone's side. The only thing they care about, is that he and your DiL are useful idiots with a child that they can access.

 

[TismFarmer]

What he needs to figure out, is that these things aren't on "his" side. They aren't on anyone's side. The only thing they care about, is that he and your DiL are useful idiots with a child that they can access.

A child who is not physically capable of saying what happened to him or who did it.

 

[Mourning_Cloak]

DIL is in education. And a Redditor. She is 100% the kind who would be in support groups or have friends who will support 'LC or NC with transphobe MIL'

Does your DIL have a tranny relative?

Because otherwise this shit is so mind-boggling to me. You're a "cis" female, your husband is a "cis" male, your child is a "cis" male, and you have no tranny family - why the fuck are you so upset at your MIL saying she simply doesn't want bio males in women's prisons? Like you said, you only stated a fact, it's not like you went on a violent TTD rant. It would make more sense if she was actively trooning the kid out.

I always find it incredibly suspicious when someone with no horse in the LGBT race gets heavily triggered when someone criticizes it. I can understand someone with a gay child or sibling getting upset if a coworker goes on a rant about literally stoning gays, but if you're straight and don't have any alphabet family, why are you that worked up about whatever was said?

I had a classmate at uni quit her job on like day three because it was "homophobic" (a national shipping chain). I didn't ask her to elaborate (because quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn) and just assumed one of the coworkers told a gay joke or said they didn't support gay marriage. My coworkers say all kinds of dumb shit I disagree with, political or not, and I haven't quit over it. Yes I know lots of """straight""" people make a big show of being an "ally" but seriously?

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I always find it incredibly suspicious when someone with no horse in the LGBT race gets heavily triggered when someone criticizes it. I can understand someone with a gay child or sibling getting upset if a coworker goes on a rant about literally stoning gays, but if you're straight and don't have any alphabet family, why are you that worked up about whatever was said?

I had a classmate at uni quit her job on like day three because it was "homophobic" (a national shipping chain). I didn't ask her to elaborate (because quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn) and just assumed one of the coworkers told a gay joke or said they didn't support gay marriage. My coworkers say all kinds of dumb shit I disagree with, political or not, and I haven't quit over it. Yes I know lots of """straight""" people make a big show of being an "ally" but seriously?

The LGBTQ movement is quite manipulative in that regard.

Of course, they have to, because they wouldn't have gotten as far as they had did they not manipulate a bunch of boring straight people to be emotionally invested in a campaign to normalize unhealthy sexual lifestyles, despite having zero stake in the matter.

Fags and troons alike need their handmaidens, dontcha know.

 

[Slideshow Bill]

I mentioned a while back a friend I had who is transitioning her child. There's been some tension between me and her, because I refuse to honor the child's pronouns as picked by her and I remain "neutral" ( I literally only used the child's name, no pronouns, and when she tries to engage in attention seeking behavior regarding how she is choosing to dress her little boy as a girl I greyrock her.) I continue to hope that in a few years, she will wake up and because I've remained in her life but as a neutral party, she may feel safe to talk to me. I know that her husband is not on board and has told me that everyday he prays that this will end and he can have his son back.

I visited the family recently and I was shocked by how out of control the little boy who's being transition's behavior has become. His mother openly talks about how he has to have multiple therapists, because he has depressive spirals on a weekly basis. He also has some of the most severe attention seeking I've ever seen in a small child (he's still in elementary school). This kid cannot go more than 30 seconds without somebody giving him undivided attention , and once those 30 seconds are up and no one is paying attention, he starts to act out physically and loudly. He'll turn on all the electronics in the house full volume when he wakes up before his parents, because if he's awake, everyone else needs to be awake and paying attention to him. He is out of control. He also gets undressed for attention and his Mom has gotten reports from home about how other students and teachers are uncomfortable because he won't stop talking about his penis or referring to his penis in class. He also grabs his chest and fondles it and calls those his "boobies". Their other children are normal and do not have any of these behavioral issues. This child also had behavioral issues before his Mom started putting him in a dress and calling him a girl, but they have dramatically worsened since.

This is so fucked up.

How old is this boy? If he's older than 7, this behavior isn't going to go away as easily.
>grabs his chest and calls those his "boobies"
Either this kid is being sexually abused or his mind has been so twisted that he is exhibiting the behavior of a child who has been sexually abused.

 

[glass_houses]

My coworkers say all kinds of dumb shit I disagree with, political or not, and I haven't quit over it. Yes I know lots of """straight""" people make a big show of being an "ally" but seriously?

Mate, a few days ago I made the mistake of weighing in on a news article debate. A weather woman, who'd already been reprimanded by her network for inappropriate posts on her social media and LinkedIn, was dismissed from her position after calling Elon Musk a Nazi. Now, this was one of the major Australian television networks. There's a whole whopping five of those in the country. Even though she's just a weather girl, there are millions of eyes on her, and I have no doubt that the conduct section of her employment contract printed out on A4 would reach the fucking ceiling. I made the mistake of pointing out that not only did she violate large sections of her contract, she could also be accused of using her influence to promote inaccurate information, and that is both inappropriate in an ethical sense and risky if Musk ended up cracking the shits and suing the network.

In the course of twenty eight hours replies to my comment have ranged from no1cur (fair) to multiple people stating that I'm the lowest form of racist lowlife and that I'm a (quote) "white supremacist", a Trump supporter, and one of them said that they were trying to locate my own social media in order to do God knows what. I want to emphasise here, that in addition to carefully avoiding any kind of inflammatory language, I am an Australian discussing a relatively prominent Australian with other Australians.

All because I said, very politely, that not only was one empty headed weather girl unprofessional and unethical, she had a prior history of violating her employment contract and was clearly a huge liability to her employer.

Social justice warriors are fucking cultists foaming at the mouth, desperate for a target on which to vent their spleen. They're exactly the type of person who, in ultra conservative countries, looks forward to and gets considerable pleasure in stoning their fellow community members to death at the whiff of transgression regardless of what actually happened and the circumstances surrounding it. Anyone who is not 284% committed to X is a monster, especially a moderate. Grey thinking is a far worse crime than the extreme opposite viewpoint because it threatens to insinuate itself into the overall narrative, and insideously destroy it from within.

It could have been anything that set off @TismFarmer 's daughter in law. It could have been pointing out that Trump's death camps didn't manifest themselves in his first term and are unlikely to manifest themselves in the second. It could have been suggesting that sometimes the long-term "unhoused" often deliberately decide to remain "unhoused". It could have been drawing daughter in law's attention to the ill effects of importing a million immigrants a year into a country that doesn't have a fraction of the resources needed to support them. In this case, it was pointing to extensively documented predatory behaviours and suggesting that deliberately allowing these predators access to their prey may not be a good idea.

Ultimately, it makes no difference whether @TismFarmer 's crime was transphobia, or raycism, or homophobia, classism, or whatever. Daughter in law now knows that her mother in law is the worst type of person in the world: a grey thinker, a fence sitter, someone who refuses to follow the cult directions to the letter, and worst of all, refuses to pretend that she can't see the emperor's dangly hairy bollocks swaying gently in the breeze for all to see.

Edit: some words.