Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[GoldenSnake]

another year of my brother still living with our parents. he is older, and yet his sisters are all married and living away from home. part of me wonders if this was a trigger for him deciding to transition. maybe he was of the thinking that if he gave in to the AGP thoughts and made the leap, he would also be married and living away from home. but he isn’t. he’s still with our parents.

he always tells me about his problems with living at home when we talk, part of me thinks he wants a handout or the spare room in my house. he’s insane if he thinks i’m letting him stay with me for even a second, i’m never leaving my laundry unattended with him again. i tell him to leave the city and find somewhere cheaper to be by himself but he won’t do it. it’s like he wants to be a child forever, complete with arguing with mom and dad and having all his meals cooked. i don’t know why my parents enable it.

it all has me so floored. he’s not taking care of either of them, or contributing any money. he saves his money to go on holidays and buy clothes instead of trying to find his own place to live. it’s like he doesn’t care, and he’s just letting life happen to him and pass him by. i don’t know how he’s not having panic attacks every single day about how things are going.

i know logically i shouldn’t care this much. he violated my trust and stole personal things from me. but he’s my brother, somewhere in my heart i just want it to all not be true. for me to wake up to the day before he told me, and realize it was all a dream. but it’s not a dream, this is life now and i need to accept it. i wish things were different. at least i have my loving husband, my in laws, my friends, and my kiwibros!

 

[Appletuncrusader]

Between so many people I know trooning out, and how many of them suspiciously quickly start talking as if they’re just gay men, part of me can’t shake the feeling that a good chunk of LGBTs are not “truly” so, and they definitely didn’t start out that way.

Maybe this “1 in 5 of Gen Z is not straight/cis” thing isn’t organic after all. It’s a really sinking feeling. I don’t know if this is the place for it, but these horror stories have been living rent free in my head and got me contemplating.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Maybe this “1 in 5 of Gen Z is not straight/cis” thing isn’t organic after all. It’s a really sinking feeling. I don’t know if this is the place for it, but these horror stories have been living rent free in my head and got me contemplating.

There's plenty of room for reasonable doubt that most of it was organic in the first place.

 

[squidward tentacles]

Between so many people I know trooning out, and how many of them suspiciously quickly start talking as if they’re just gay men, part of me can’t shake the feeling that a good chunk of LGBTs are not “truly” so, and they definitely didn’t start out that way.

Maybe this “1 in 5 of Gen Z is not straight/cis” thing isn’t organic after all. It’s a really sinking feeling. I don’t know if this is the place for it, but these horror stories have been living rent free in my head and got me contemplating.

It's the current hippie/punk/goth/emo/hipster. It's a trend, which is why they all dress and speak alike.

The true rates of homosexuality are probably still what they were 50 years ago—1% homosexual and ~5% bisexual. Most of the bisexuals will be functionally straight and end up in opposite sex marriages. LGB happens, but is rare. T is an internet fetish.

 

[Baraadmirer]

Between so many people I know trooning out, and how many of them suspiciously quickly start talking as if they’re just gay men, part of me can’t shake the feeling that a good chunk of LGBTs are not “truly” so, and they definitely didn’t start out that way.

Maybe this “1 in 5 of Gen Z is not straight/cis” thing isn’t organic after all. It’s a really sinking feeling. I don’t know if this is the place for it, but these horror stories have been living rent free in my head and got me contemplating.

When you can be cool, special, and be regarded as "stunning and brave" for not being a saucy straight or a common cis, is it any surprise self-reporting on homosexuality or transgenderism has increased more than significantly over this past decade?

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

This developing case is curious. A friend trooned out a month prior to telling me, but it wasn't til he outed himself that he day-to-next literally just changed personality and started posting pro-transition slop rather than the usual "troons hate me cause i'm girlier than them but i love bbc" type of faggoty shit. Now it's all "I should lose weight" and "Look at this balding man who became a babe, despite there being nothing about his mental health, hobbies, friendship situation; but he became hot!!!!! so it's cool!!!!".

Maybe this “1 in 5 of Gen Z is not straight/cis” thing isn’t organic after all. It’s a really sinking feeling. I don’t know if this is the place for it, but these horror stories have been living rent free in my head and got me contemplating.

Sexuality is 100% taught. I don't believe for a second that half the faggots I saw become 'faggots' in online communities, ie. tf2, furries etc, through some other faggot giving them the first romantic interest of their lives, weren't groomed into it. In another world they wouldn't randomly at 48 go "man, I love cock and I wanna be sissyfied". Likewise I'm sure that you can be groomed into an "organic" sexuality and simply live that way. You know, being at a club, thinking that cute girl is worth a drunk lay, only to realize it's a well-passing troon and suddenly you're not above jerking they/xym's agender dick. Thing is, you were introduced to that concept through happenstance in real life, not porn and 3D models banging together.

Thankfully, it seems like we still live in a time of "women calling themselves bisexual cause they kissed a girlfriend once" levels of shallow. Anyone going deeper than that has gone all the way into ERP, hentai and general goonsoomerism and down the deep end. There is no in between cause people settle for one or the other. All the 'real' faggots I used to hang out with online are now dating women or stopped being obnoxiously gay. Curious.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I mentioned a while back a friend I had who is transitioning her child. There's been some tension between me and her, because I refuse to honor the child's pronouns as picked by her and I remain "neutral" ( I literally only used the child's name, no pronouns, and when she tries to engage in attention seeking behavior regarding how she is choosing to dress her little boy as a girl I greyrock her.) I continue to hope that in a few years, she will wake up and because I've remained in her life but as a neutral party, she may feel safe to talk to me. I know that her husband is not on board and has told me that everyday he prays that this will end and he can have his son back.

I visited the family recently and I was shocked by how out of control the little boy who's being transition's behavior has become. His mother openly talks about how he has to have multiple therapists, because he has depressive spirals on a weekly basis. He also has some of the most severe attention seeking I've ever seen in a small child (he's still in elementary school). This kid cannot go more than 30 seconds without somebody giving him undivided attention , and once those 30 seconds are up and no one is paying attention, he starts to act out physically and loudly. He'll turn on all the electronics in the house full volume when he wakes up before his parents, because if he's awake, everyone else needs to be awake and paying attention to him. He is out of control. He also gets undressed for attention and his Mom has gotten reports from home about how other students and teachers are uncomfortable because he won't stop talking about his penis or referring to his penis in class. He also grabs his chest and fondles it and calls those his "boobies". Their other children are normal and do not have any of these behavioral issues. This child also had behavioral issues before his Mom started putting him in a dress and calling him a girl, but they have dramatically worsened since.

This is so fucked up.

Just beat the shit out of him.

 

[Anonitolia]

reconnected with a friend whom I'd lost contact with during covid
ended up being offered to reconnect with an entire group that I was previously adjacent to
haven't had a social opportunity like that in years so I pounced on it
went to the first meetup
turns out 18/21 people in that group trooned out since I last saw them
several had also mutilated themselves to that end
the remaining three people were, respectively:

• gay
• "polyamorous bisexual" obese goth/alt girl (was completely healthy last I saw her; brother trooned out)
• religious christian this is the guy I reconnected with. he's like completely normal. I have no idea how he ended up here and it makes me concerned for his character

the entire group seems overwhelmingly dominated by the four loudest transbians, one of whom is so delusional that he got into a 50-minute catfight about why he could have kids and was completely fertile and it was bigoted to suggest otherwise
this guy seems to be top dog because he never. ever. shuts up
and it's always the most heinous shit spewing from his mouth. Every other joke has to do with raping women or killing right-wingers. Motherfucker cried about "girldick" being transphobic while texting everyone about looking up extreme fetish porn at 4 fucking AM. Actively defends North Korea as "misunderstood" and called some 14 year-old girl hot.
nobody is even remotely bothered by this shit, it's all normal to them and most of them echo similar opinions
one of them showed up in a fucking maid outfit and got the most vomit-inducing "uwu so cute" comments from the other troons for it

i'm just in disbelief, I don't understand how the fuck this happened
I know the immediate answer would be "covid did it" but none of these guys were in quarantine for longer than a month and all were in constant contact with each other throughout and had been together for a while before it. Not normal lockdown circumstances.
either way, I'm genuinely thankful I didn't get my shit kicked in at the meetup since I barely said anything and tried to keep to myself after being met with exactly the type of hulking freakshow I thought I could escape offline
This stupid generation is fucked everyone born after 1995 isn't going to make it

 

[Doktor Grimm]

i'm just in disbelief, I don't understand how the fuck this happened
I know the immediate answer would be "covid did it" but none of these guys were in quarantine for longer than a month and all were in constant contact with each other throughout and had been together for a while before it. Not normal lockdown circumstances.

It's a cancer that metastatises. All it takes is a couple of people to gradually erode the psyche of anyone who isn't sufficiently grounded.

If your friend is true to his religious values, you can get him to torch everything and run for the hills.

 

[Continuum Transfunctioner]

Most of my friends are trannys or blatant chasers who encourage them (especially futa fetish) and I'm so exhausted having to walk on eggshells but if I say anything that's a majority of my friends gone

 

[Gingervitis]

If your friend is true to his religious values, you can get him to torch everything and run for the hills.

I’m definitely not the kind of guy to follow my own advice here, but @Anonitolia this. If you don’t want these people around you, then you have nothing to lose. Best case scenario, you get him out of there. Worst case scenario, some guys who you don’t want to be around will shun you in an era where their grip is slowly eroding- they’re not friends with your friends, right?

 

[Paper Machete]

I'm going to give some old school advice that my old trainer gave to me: if you hang around with losers, you're also a loser.

If all of your friends are weirdo degens...it's time to get new friends.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

If all of your friends are weirdo degens...it's time to get new friends.

some broken people willing to join a polycule of other fat ugly mentally abusive loosers just to get a crumb of affection and validation. At that point just be a kv wizard, its better than whatever the fuck this shit is that people are doing today to try and fit in somewhere.

These threads show how there are worse things than just being alone, same goes with couples/friends/relatives who have been burdened and emotionally blackmailed by trannies to keep tolerating them in their life.

 

[toilet_rainbow]

Between so many people I know trooning out, and how many of them suspiciously quickly start talking as if they’re just gay men, part of me can’t shake the feeling that a good chunk of LGBTs are not “truly” so, and they definitely didn’t start out that way.

Maybe this “1 in 5 of Gen Z is not straight/cis” thing isn’t organic after all. It’s a really sinking feeling. I don’t know if this is the place for it, but these horror stories have been living rent free in my head and got me contemplating.

It's the current hippie/punk/goth/emo/hipster. It's a trend, which is why they all dress and speak alike.

The true rates of homosexuality are probably still what they were 50 years ago—1% homosexual and ~5% bisexual. Most of the bisexuals will be functionally straight and end up in opposite sex marriages. LGB happens, but is rare. T is an internet fetish.

When you can be cool, special, and be regarded as "stunning and brave" for not being a saucy straight or a common cis, is it any surprise self-reporting on homosexuality or transgenderism has increased more than significantly over this past decade?

True and honest same sex attraction exists. As others said, it's a lot rarer than the internet makes it out to be. Trans people are usually either self loathing gay or gnc people falling victim to restrictive gender stereotypes, depressed people (of all orientations) attempting to escape their boring or shitty lives and chose trooning out to reinvent themselves, attention whores trying to score "diversity points" and/or people living out a fetish. The "queers" doing the latter two are usually easy to spot. Any "transbian" or "gay transman" is obviously pornsick, for starters.

On the plus side, with everything going on, hopefully trooning out is becoming passe amongst the younger generations. "Lesbians until graduation" are annoying, but it's much less damage for a girl to kiss another and decide if she actually liked it versus using steroids and cutting her tits off because she was convinced that her attraction to girls is from actually being male.

 

[Sissyagamben]

The true rates of homosexuality are probably still what they were 50 years ago—1% homosexual and ~5% bisexual.

According to Jordan Peterson, the rate of same sex sexual activities have not changed (or have not changed much if at all?), while the rate of people claiming they have same sex attraction has sky rocketed. So yeah

 

[Legalize Asbestos]

I think its pretty safe to assume most pooners you meet are autistic,

I think it's safe to assume that the hormone injections alleviates some of the autism, tricking them into thinking they are 'on the right path.' Many things cause autism, but one of those things is auto-immune attack on the adrenals, which permanently fucks hormone production in the body and leaves a person more androgynous and a malformed cerebellum.

As the number of people who are full-blown autistic increases, and the number of people labeled with mild autism expands, I predict this will tamp down the troonery, since parents will have a Safe and Effective™ out for their kid: 'You're not gay you're just a retard.'

 

[Anonitolia]

If your friend is true to his religious values, you can get him to torch everything and run for the hills.

That's the thing-- he's true enough to go to church weekly and actively assist in setting things up for them, doing charity, observing strictly, etc. I thought all his friends would be fucking bible buddies or something not completely perverted freaks. It's part of the reason I even opened up to him as opposed to anyone else from my past (most of whom have gone down the same path as his friends or already killed themselves by now).

But he's so staunch about this shit. We ended up in a 40-minute debate about troons in prison (before the meet-up, seeing as I'm not in a hospital right now) because he insisted that the 100% chance of a troon being assaulted in a male prison was worth all the damage he'd do to females in a women's prison because "that isn't guaranteed". I kept trying to change the fucking topic but he kept steering it back to this shit because of the recent executive orders regarding men in women's sports and the two-sexes thing apparently pissing him off. It's completely baffling.

If you don’t want these people around you, then you have nothing to lose. Best case scenario, you get him out of there. Worst case scenario, some guys who you don’t want to be around will shun you in an era where their grip is slowly eroding

Hence why I'm going to quietly exit and tell him that things aren't going to work sooner rather than later.
Seriously reconsidering if I'm even going to keep talking to him because I really didn't appreciate the troon prison thing and I have a feeling he won't let go of that.

they’re not friends with your friends, right?

Thankfully not; they're completely detached.

 

[teriyakiburns]

But he's so staunch about this shit.

It sounds to me that he's compromising and adopting the party line in order to hold on to a friend group that realistically no longer exists. I'd guess its nostalgia for what he had and a fear that he'll not be able to recreate it with new people.

 

[Maxwell Carter]

One of my best childhood friends trooned out on me, and I only knew of it recently. It really hurts, we were best friends for a really long time up until the pandemic. (He just told me recently, and we hadn't seen each other for years) I would say he was pretty good looking but now he looks terrible (he sent me photos but I won't share them) and everyone I know except my father thinks I am a "transphobe." He's already on estrogen and its only a matter of time before he completely troons out with the surgeries and kills himself. I feel fucking terrible.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

It's the current hippie/punk/goth/emo/hipster. It's a trend, which is why they all dress and speak alike.

The true rates of homosexuality are probably still what they were 50 years ago—1% homosexual and ~5% bisexual. Most of the bisexuals will be functionally straight and end up in opposite sex marriages. LGB happens, but is rare. T is an internet fetish.

Especially right now.
I prefer women but men seem much more stable, it's easier with how simple minded a man is.
I don't mean that as an insult, it's literally just that. If I ask what's on my husbands mind and he says nothing, he means it. A fly could probably fly through his skull in that moment.
I'll always likely be more attracted to women but lesbians are not fucking worth the migraine.
I've been intimate with women, been in romantic relationships. It seriously feels like the girls accessable are one of 3 things- wanting to be able to say they dated a girl, are BPD, or are an actual lesbian. The actual lesbians are the more violent of the 3, shockingly.