Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Aunt Carol]

Shrinks can and will absolutely attempt to mk ultra you into transitioning if they're able to.

I'm not discounting that, especially if a patient comes in with anything that's at all gender-related. They're either true believers or afraid of being accused of conversion therapy.

There was an article posted here, written by a very reasonable and "accepting" therapist who just didn't kneejerk tell everyone they were trans, and it was chilling to see his troon patient threaten to report him for conversion therapy like an equally disordered patient might gin up false rape claims.

I just doubt that OP's friend's therapist told him that buying a latex woman suit and jerking off in it was a great plan to help him get over missing his mom. Maybe the troon misrepresented the plan to the therapist, maybe the troon exaggerated something else the therapist said, probably both.

 

[Paper Machete]

I'm not discounting that, especially if a patient comes in with anything that's at all gender-related. They're either true believers or afraid of being accused of conversion therapy.

There was an article posted here, written by a very reasonable and "accepting" therapist who just didn't kneejerk tell everyone they were trans, and it was chilling to see his troon patient threaten to report him for conversion therapy like an equally disordered patient might gin up false rape claims.

I just doubt that OP's friend's therapist told him that buying a latex woman suit and jerking off in it was a great plan to help him get over missing his mom. Maybe the troon misrepresented the plan to the therapist, maybe the troon exaggerated something else the therapist said, probably both.

I mean this is all true but look up profiles on therapists and feast your eyes on the ones that pop up that explicitly state they're pro BDSM and how many people into that purport it "helps" with trauma and that they're into certain things because of trauma. It's a whole thing and I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility for some crazy shrink to suggest such things. Maybe not explicitly in detail the specific form of it but definitely a lot of them would push degen bullshit as a way to "handle" things or "open up". These bitches out here be crazy.

 

[Aunt Carol]

These bitches out here be crazy.

That is true. Some of it may be people calling themselves "kink-friendly" to indicate they won't call the cops on poly bondage trainwrecks for for showing up with rope burn, but this whole realm really should be just as suspect as a therapist who's selling Scentsy or pushing their personal religion.

Here is the article I was thinking of:

A published description of a therapist working with a troon. The therapist goes into detail about his patient's heavy psychological defenses and the problems with treating troon patients.

Do we want to know? by Roberto D’Angelo

 

[TrannyTracker-5000]

One of my best childhood friends trooned out on me, and I only knew of it recently. It really hurts, we were best friends for a really long time up until the pandemic. (He just told me recently, and we hadn't seen each other for years) I would say he was pretty good looking but now he looks terrible (he sent me photos but I won't share them) and everyone I know except my father thinks I am a "transphobe." He's already on estrogen and its only a matter of time before he completely troons out with the surgeries and kills himself. I feel fucking terrible.

Pushing back at this stage will only backfire, sadly. Assume the worst and prepare to cut the cord. All you can do is to communicate to them that your door is always open for them to seek you out. Sometimes loving someone means being able to let go: cherish the memories as they were, to give you strength to see it through now. All the best.

I prefer women but men seem much more stable, it's easier with how simple minded a man is.
I don't mean that as an insult, it's literally just that. If I ask what's on my husbands mind and he says nothing, he means it. A fly could probably fly through his skull in that moment.
I'll always likely be more attracted to women but lesbians are not fucking worth the migraine.

Ha, very relatable as a guy myself and similar to what bisexual women told me. Female socialisation is a complex minefield, no?

I don't think it will dissuade him, but it might help me gauge the odds of his killing himself. I don't think he's actively suicidal but I would not be in the slightest bit surprised to learn he'd ended his life, given that he hit the trifecta of childhood abuse, computer programming, and anime and has stepped away from nearly all of his friends in favour of his new cult buddies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diNeyQKQg8M&list=PLlzZcJ_wPqcUTVOyMitdezb95YqCi2ZZZ&index=2 Trans Train, Swedish Documentary around the 25:00 minute mark mentions that estrogen exposure poses a cumulative risk for thromboembolic events in Transwomen, unfortunately I can't find the title of the paper cited.

 

[Oggdo Bogdo]

I just doubt that OP's friend's therapist told him that buying a latex woman suit and jerking off in it was a great plan to help him get over missing his mom. Maybe the troon misrepresented the plan to the therapist, maybe the troon exaggerated something else the therapist said, probably both.

I have my doubts too, this friend of mine has been known among our mutuals as a compulsive liar, but the fact that he would so try to brazenly justify it really makes me feel like there's at least some degree of truth to what he's saying, especially with how pozzed the mental health industry is.
In my honest opinion, it's less like an excuse and more like doubling down because he felt vindicated by an outside party, which seems to be a recurring theme for these horror stories, very rarely do close friends and family encourage this behaviour unless they were compromised from the start.

 

[Maxwell Carter]

Pushing back at this stage will only backfire, sadly. Assume the worst and prepare to cut the cord. All you can do is to communicate to them that your door is always open for them to seek you out. Sometimes loving someone means being able to let go: cherish the memories as they were, to give you strength to see it through now. All the best.

I haven't pushed back and I'm ready to just cut him off if he continues with his troonism. It really sucks, but I need to move on. Thanks!

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

Ha, very relatable as a guy myself and similar to what bisexual women told me. Female socialisation is a complex minefield, no?

God, no fucking joke.
Here, have some power leveling. I'll happily take my seatbelts

Spoiler

I guess you could say I'm a tomboy, despite being near 30's. I'm more interested in "masculine" things than my husband is (fishing, hunting, guns, building shit, general exercise. He's a home body and happy to stay home and read or play games. Meanwhile you could hear me with the band saw in the back doing something)
I'm not sure if it puts other women off or maybe I'm just too used to being surrounded by men growing up, I will gossip and stuff but don't really understand the emotional games so many try to play. I've also noticed many women dance around problems and I'm not a good guesser. I'm fucking brain damaged (literally) you have to spell it out like I'm a tard.
It feels like I'm catnip to men but a repellant to women for some reason. I' glad I'm married and don't have to navigate this faggoty ass group anymore. If I outlive my husband I'm gonna look for a lesbian that's either former military herself or a rancher because hooooly fuck.

 

[General Zoider]

I swear the only safe option when a friend troons out is to either fast or slowly cut them out of your life. As much as I hate doing it,
The worst part its it just keeps happening.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

Well this is not really a loosing people to troonism, but possibly the opposite, a more optimistic post i don't know where else to write.

Ive been knowing this girl for a couple of months, she is in her early 20s. I don't consider her a close friend, just someone I occasionally talk to. Thing is that when i met her she was openly a pre everything pooner, at most she just cuts her hair short. Her social media had the trans flag and "he/him" in bio.
What intrigues me is that she suddenly removed that from her profile, seems less strict with the pronoun usage, so that got me thinking if she is perhaps unpooning?

Everything is pretty much the same, as I mentioned she didn't got any hormonal treatment or surgery, she is just a lesbian tomboy.
She still expresses insecurities about her body and voice. She often expresses how she is miserable in every aspect, very depressed, something i see is very common with pooners thinking that transitioning will get rid of all this misery, something i know is not true because ive seen it over and over, every pooner i knew before pooning out remained just as if not more miserable than before.
However she doesnt really express all that being a gender thing as much as she used to, she currently just says she doesnt like certain aspects of herself.

Now, these are good signals, however this could also mean she might just be going stealth mode? maybe she will consider herself non binary? that is what I'm not too sure.
She is pretty much still a leftist pronoun respecter, so because of that and because we are not too close i don't want to tackle her with gender critical conversations or anything that could be remotely "transphobic", not because i want to protect troons feelings but because i know many detransitioners, specially ex-pooners defend troonism even after detransitioning and i could come as less convincing because of that and if that happens she could not want to listen and let me help her.

So far, all I'm doing is expressing vague enough statements about how to learn to love yourself as you are.Things like "Is ok if you dont like your body, that is a normal thing, nothing special, a lot of people disliike their bodies" not mentioning anything trans related, just letting her know it is pretty much a universal thing, trying my best to not imply anything related to gender ideology
As a gender non conforming woman myself that was once into troonism i cant help but to see similar struggles from my own expirience, I don't want her to suffer like other girls I saw fully pooning out. So I try to show her that it is ok for her to be just how she is without doing harmful things to herself.


I would love to be optimistic about it but again, we are not close and there is a small chance that removing the trans flags from herself doesnt really mean she is desisting.
If anyone has gone to something similar i would like to hear some external thoughts, wether you were like her, or if you knew someone like her.
Im no hero, but I really pray that she could be helped

 

[ScurvyRat]

point me to sources which clearly lay out the risks of men taking estrogen.

The big one is loss of bone density.
All forms of HRT in trannies (male and female) lead to decreased bone density resulting in osteoporosis.
It can be seriously life altering when falling on a walk causes multiple broken bones.

 

[Dolly Brooks]

A guy I was close friends with for over a decade is speedrunning his "transition" and I would be grateful if anyone could point me to sources which clearly lay out the risks of men taking estrogen.

I don't think it will dissuade him, but it might help me gauge the odds of his killing himself. I don't think he's actively suicidal but I would not be in the slightest bit surprised to learn he'd ended his life, given that he hit the trifecta of childhood abuse, computer programming, and anime and has stepped away from nearly all of his friends in favour of his new cult buddies.

To be frank, he knows the risks, he just doesn’t care—the coom is too good. This is what men on estrogen care about:






As for suicidality, I can’t speak to the CSA portion but the trans suicide risk is overblown. Either way, you should start ghosting him now. He’s an addict and you can’t help people who don’t want to help themselves.

 

[ilovecornsyrup]

I knew this woman who was autistic and openly a fujoshi. To give you an impression of what that was like: my looks and fashion lean towards the whole "prettyboy" aesthetic and she would (completely unironically) compliment me by saying I look like a real life anime boy. Well, guess who just went on testosterone?

I mean this is all true but look up profiles on therapists and feast your eyes on the ones that pop up that explicitly state they're pro BDSM and how many people into that purport it "helps" with trauma and that they're into certain things because of trauma. It's a whole thing and I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility for some crazy shrink to suggest such things. Maybe not explicitly in detail the specific form of it but definitely a lot of them would push degen bullshit as a way to "handle" things or "open up". These bitches out here be crazy.

I have never met a well-adjusted person who wanted to become a therapist. The field isn't attractive to people who don't have mental issues themselves. It's like the whole thing with psychos becoming cops except no one thinks you're crazy for criticizing cops.

 

[Ed Special]

my looks and fashion lean towards the whole "prettyboy" aesthetic

I'm sorry for your loss, and sorry you had to put up with a fujoshit creeping on you, but... username checks out.

 

[You're MDNWU]

This is what men on estrogen care about:

They ever think their bitch tits only got bigger due to getting fatter and/or they actually tried to lick their own nipples this time?

For anyone with friends/family trooning out and know the inevitable rope day is coming, have you tried to push them towards writing a will? And potentially laying claim to anything of value (that isn't their porn or bad dragon dildos)?

 

[Doktor Grimm]

I would love to be optimistic about it but again, we are not close and there is a small chance that removing the trans flags from herself doesnt really mean she is desisting.
If anyone has gone to something similar i would like to hear some external thoughts, wether you were like her, or if you knew someone like her.
Im no hero, but I really pray that she could be helped

I'd be optimistic in this situation. Some people weren't that into it to begin with except as a social exercise. A girl in my extended circle did a similar thing -- was openly ""trans"" & used he/him on social media, but never actually ventured beyond getting a buzz cut & wearing pants sometimes. Now she's scaled things back to "they/them, but my friends can call me she" (so basically everyone she interacts with outside of Tumblr).

If someone becomes less trans over time, that's generally a sign that they're not at risk. Don't stress it too much & don't think that it's your responsibility to convert your friend to turbo based GCism -- if she's paying attention, she will find her own way there. The friend I mentioned has started to wonder why so many trans women are sex pests and I'm like IF ONLY YOU KNEW.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

I'm at loss of words. In the span of ~2 years, maybe less, installing Barq; furry sex parties, thirdwheeling a straight couple as a toy, chasing f2ms exclusively; "heh all these troons wish they had my looks", a kind of anti-troon ego, based. Suddenly in the span of 2 months: hrt, fursuit, and furry orgies. Any and all spark and quip about passing better than troons gone from faggot superiority to what should've been obvious all along.

God fucking damn it dude. I knew so many blobby gay furries and literally 7/8 trooned out. This was the only based femboy faggot, absolutely speedrunning the teenage phase of basing your life on sex and furcons. FUCK.

 

[deermeat]

He’s an addict and you can’t help people who don’t want to help themselves.

This is the one of hardest facts of life that haunts me nearly every day and causes existential anxiety, though things have been getting better emotionally.
Its just I know what addiction feels like and thees so much guilt after you recover. But theres also that scary aspect of emapthy. I know its good to feel emapthetic but personally emapthy for others lead to me internalizing their abusive, destructive behavior. Its bard to accept the reality that yes these people are human yes they may sexretly still care about others, but that doesn't matter as long as they are an addict who refuses to accept they are one.

Its lonely living my whole life where Ive been surrounded by these people yet I managed to get better and well, they haven't.
I wish these people cared about life. That life doesn't has to be so miserable. That others aren't the problem, that yes society is chaotic but that doesn't mean you have to let it affect you.

Its an awkward position to be in. You cant hate these people because hate doesn't contribute to anything. Yet when you silently forgive them, you still wish they were their happy self.
And yet moving on from things like this is diffult due to how everyone else seemingly enables their lifestyle, as if you are the bad guy. So theres guilt in that too even though I know deep down I am not in the wrong.

With druggies, everyone can agree that yes those people are addicts. With this? With stuff like obesity too, people take it less seriously as if you are being dramatic or outright awful for caring.
Its also just surreal seeing people dedicate their lives to pure degeneracy, knowing these people are lusting over vile shit. Its gross. And they would no longer be into it as soon as they stop their addiction, yet they refuse to.

Just gotta block it all out, man. Makes me love the self improvement community though I wish there were more people in it who likes stuff like anime and horror so I can feel better about liking those things. Reminds me of the whole Gothic stuff. Just because you like it doesn't mean you are like the extremists in that crowd, but now that extremist mentality is the norm. It went from "no, we aren't like that" to "we are like that and its a good thing, actually".

 

[Aunt Carol]

furry sex parties,[...]. Suddenly in the span of 2 months: hrt, fursuit, and furry orgies.

I don't mean to belittle your slow and inexorable loss, but what differentiates furry sex parties from furry orgies?

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

I don't mean to belittle your slow and inexorable loss, but what differentiates furry sex parties from furry orgies?

Throw five troons into a room with booze, sex will happen. Orgies practically go off the assumption it'll have it and put it on the poster.

 

[glass_houses]

Throw five troons into a room with booze, sex will happen. Orgies practically go off the assumption it'll have it and put it on the poster.

So one's planned in advance, but the other just happens?