Antioch Highschool 764 Shooting

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Well, this story motivated me to explore 764, O9A, and TOB. As a historian, I have read and written about pretty fucked up stuff, but it is much different witnessing current atrocities than reliving it through an ancient primary source.

Vicariously, I could find fascination in Timur’s massacres or the Rape of Nanjing. However, seeing photos and videos of children who are being exploited by monsters who still live among us is surreal. I can stomach animal torture and death, and I can tolerate the death of adults. Despite years of desensitization, I still tear up when seeing a child being sexualized, abused, or killed. Reading about dead children in history books is already saddening, but knowing that there are groups such as 764 that daily commit these atrocities makes me both depressed and angry.

Nevertheless, I am glad that God exists, because it means that these pedophiles will be cast into hell, where they will be eternally raped by Satan.

Damnatio memoriae​
 
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When thinking about fed/not-a-fed it might be valuable to remember that exposing the FBI hijinks of Brandon Darby was once fodder for the most normie of podcasts, This American Life. L | A
It should always be the first instinct to suspect feds of justifying their paychecks.
 
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The Rats in the Walls said:
Just to make sure
Unprepared
https://steamid.uk/profile/76561198843191157 (A1, A2, A3, A4, A5, A6, A7)
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I find the location strange though
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One from the friend list that caught my eye
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Weird mismatch of username
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Anyone autistic enough and not busy with other things, have fun.
I can't get the .uk website archived normally - enjoy screenshots, stalker....children.
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Random right wing nigga steam account with no relation calling it now
 
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Well this has certainly turned into something extra retarded and nonsensical. The type of attempted mass murderer that only clown world could provide!

The usual types are going to call him a "black, white supremacist" and god knows what else. But the truth will be even more confusing and stupid.

Just happy nobody has of yet died because of this bastard.
 
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Sorry for re-posting this. I fucked up the formatting just as the editing period ended. I reported the first time I posted this and asked the moderators to remove it. Mea culpa.
The shooter left behind his e-diary by posting it to a website, RDrama, which is archived here. You can see the diary for yourself by clicking here, going to the bottom of this post, or by going to the bottom of the OPs post.

It is a 288 page document which spans from October 18th, 2024; to January 21st, 2025. That’s a rate of ~3 pages / day - which sounds impressive until you realize that most of it is selfies and images he copied from the Internet. The final entry claims to have been written four hours before the attack. Most of the content can be sorted into a few, frequently overlapping, categories.

Major topics:
His personal life:
  • Dislikes his school:
    • Constantly complains about students with poor English skills.
    • Anticipates that, after his murder-suicide, his classmates will lie about being his friend for attention.
    • Says that he is resentful of his classmates because, during group projects, he does all the work but does not receive extra credit.
    • Has poor grades and attributes this to a lack of motivation on his part and malice on the part of the teachers.
    • Claims that he had to fight off “mid-teens” when he was a “pre-teen”, and that these fights were uploaded to websites like Instagram. He does not demonstrate this.
  • His physical appearance:
    • Claims to be 5’8ft, or 173cm.
    • He records his weight multiple times, but appears to be about 126.8 to 127.4 lbs.
    • According to a BMI standards, this means he was a normal weight.
  • Hates race-mixing.
    • Claims to have greater romantic success with girls outside his race than within it.
    • Despite having a crush on the Madison shooter, he says it’s based that she doesn’t like race-mixing, either.
    • Considers race mixing a “sin”, “treason”, etc.
The shooter said:
Only the ill mentally will praise me after my death and the only good nigger is a dead nigger which includes me.
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The world would be better without black people, Brown people, and anything else I don't like.
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Yellow text and emphasis are my own additions.
  • His family dynamic:
    • Alleges that, because of his mother’s tendency to smoke weed, he has to watch his siblings. It is unclear as to whether this is true or fabricated to humiliate her.
    • He alleges that he got into a physical altercation with his mother and demonstrates this by showing scratches all over his arms.
    • Implies that his father’s heart attack was partially instigated by his fights with his mother.
    • Claims his mother held a gun to his head when he was younger and declared she could “take him out”.
    • Claims that his mother has been physically abusive since early childhood.
    • Claims he confronted his father about the physical abuse from mom and was dismissed on the grounds that they - his parents - had worse childhoods than him. There appears to be intergenerational trauma.
    • Implies that his father was “too old” to be a parent.
    • Suggests poor health runs in the family and this has preemptively condemned him.
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  • Claims that he is going to “court”, but does not specify what for.
    • Makes allusions to his house being raided by police and his father taking the fall for a gun that was found in the home.
    • His father said that only impulsive retards end up in jail. Considering how this idiot failed to off himself, he was right.
  • Seems to be straight-edge or, at the very least, skeptical of drugs and alcohol.
    • Says his mother smokes weed in the garage, and rants about marijuana users several times throughout his diary.
    • Says he is “tired of the same drugs”. Unsure if this is a stolen quote, a reference to his mother’s ostensible drug use, or if he was on medication.
  • Dude seems pretty gay:
    • Obsessed with making a fashion statement during attack, and is willing to sacrifice utility to achieve this goal.
    • Wishes he had a “friend” to do “true crime stuff” with.
    • Saved fanart of the Columbine killers holding hands.
    • Is obsessed with being skinny and toned (paper archived below under Feldman & Meyer, 2007).
  • Considered several alternatives while planning this attack, and was primarily concerned with getting a high kill count.
    • He considered using a knife instead of, or in conjunction with, firearms.
    • He considered waiting until the school’s graduation ceremony, which was booked for May 16th, 2025.
    • He copied several 4chan guides to bomb-making and later purchased some of the ingredients, such as vaseline and nails for shrapnel.
    • Considered other incendiaries like gas tanks and Molotov cocktails, the former of which was employed during Columbine.
    • He contemplated shooting his mother in the head while she slept before the attack, and claims he got this idea from Adam Lanza. Ultimately concluded that he did not have the resolve to murder his family.
    • He considered setting off bombs at nearby elementary and middle schools to distract the cops from his target.
    • He considered waiting until he was 18 to commit a rampage killing so that he could get a Go-Pro and “more guns”.
  • He prepared for the attack and exhibited premeditation:
    • He brought lockpicks for doors.
    • He mentions buying storage and a P.O. box, but does not say if he did.
    • He bought new shoes and showed them off in his diary. Says that he knows they’re not durable but it doesn’t matter because they “look cool”.
    • He bought another pair of shoes for the attack because he’s more prissy than Audrey Hale was.
    • He got his hair cut before the attack.
    • Said that the attack made him “nervous, scared, and excited all at the same time.”
    • Complained that violence and fighting was so common at the school that it lead to an increase in security, which made him anxious about the secrecy of his plans.
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Selfies:
  • Several photos of himself, in the dark, with his face partially illuminated by a screen.
    • The image on the screen changes to suit his fancy, but it’s usually an edgy meme.
  • Many deliberate recreations of photos taken of or by famous criminals.
  • Closeups of his eyes, which resemble the sorts of selfies posted on boards like 4chan’s /r9k/.
  • Several photos of himself wearing the siege mask he bought on Ali Express for $4 with a helmet. Claims that siege masks are “cursed” because of the low body count associated with the killers who wore one.
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Mental health:
  • Expresses profound misanthropy, uses it as the opening word, defines it for the audience.
    • He claims that his primary motivations are misanthropy and xenophobia.
  • Is a gigantic asshole:
    • Shooter was angry because his mother irons his clothes and taught him to follow suit. He refused to comply because the “washing machine does it”, and he didn’t feel the need to get gussied up just to attend his “BIPOC school”.
    • He was angry that his parents wouldn’t homeschool him, which would have permitted him to drop out. He accuses them of being lazy for not wanting or being able to educate him privately.
    • Says his parents “never helped” him. Apparently his mom ironing his clothes and his father taking the gun charge on the chin does not count.
    • His father made a comparison between going to work everyday and maintaining a marriage which the shooter found detestable.
    • Resolves to be as rude as possible to everyone around him because he “wants” to be hated.
      • Says this is because hate is the only real emotion, and that tears shed for a decent person’s normal death are less than those shed because of brutal and criminal act.
    • Is flippant, sarcastic and dismissive of his father’s heart attack.
      • When reporting that his father’s heart palpitations started because he, the shooter, got into a fight with his mom, he remarks, “lol”.
      • Photographed his father on the floor and stretcher as the heart attack began and emergency personnel arrived on scene. He does not touch his father, stop photographing, or express concern.
  • Makes multiple references to suicide.
    • Says suicide by cop would be appropriate and “ironic” because of his race.
    • Photographs himself with a gun to his head several times.
      • Despite (ostensibly) knowing how Dylan Klebold died (choking on his blood) he points the gun at the wrong part of his head (if one wants a quick kill) because he thinks this less efficient position looks cooler. Klebold’s autopsy is archived below as an attachment, if you want to laugh at his unwashed dick and agonizing death.
    • Intended to use suicide as a means to escape jail; was worried that he would lack the resolve to do it (and he was right to do so).
  • Describes feelings of unreality, depersonalization, and disassociation.
  • Shows signs of an eating disorder and fixation with his weight. Calls himself ugly several times.
  • Expresses hatred of women.
    • Is very critical of his mother. Specifically complains about her (allegedly) smoking marijuana, not having her name on the lease, and neglecting him and his sibling. It is unclear how legitimate these accusations are.
    • Rationalizes violence against women as legitimate because they ostensibly control the courts.
      • Says he wants to beat or choke his mother to death for nagging him and the rest of the family.
The shooter said:
This is why I think they have no remorse against hitting women.
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  • Expresses internalized or self-directed racism:
    • Much of the gore is explicitly of black people as opposed to people of other races. The one exception is a page of suicide-byproducts, which is quite gory and features many a white man. However the context, I feel, lionizes rather than belittles these individuals.
    • Says he cannot relate to people of his race. Says that he wants “a friend” to do “true crime” stuff with… but in a “white” way and not a black “thug” way. Yeah, I don’t get what this idiot means, either.
    • He explicitly says that he wishes he was white. Says that his heroes are all Slavs. Nevertheless, he won’t let his thing for white people stop him from murdering them:
The shooter said:
I know I will have to kill some white people or anyone get in my way. I can't waste time.
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True crime:
He explicitly uses this term.
  • General opinions on true crime:
    • Repeats trite joke about serial killers being lame but rampage killers being “the cool kids”. He stole this joke from Adam Lanza, and you can see it among his posts as “Smiggles” archived below.
    • Is cognizant of rampage killers having fan girls.
    • Says that the perpetrators of violence are the real victims and that “everyone knows” this.
The shooter said:
When I think about what I'm going to do, I get sad seeing and reading kids/adults before who did similar attacks, the loneliness, the fact we had no other choice, no help, just nothing.
I have no mother.
I have no father.
I have no sister.
I have no brother.
I was born alone and will leave this world alone.
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Note: He had a father, he has a mother, and he has siblings.
  • Rampage killings and their perpetrators:
    • Adam Lanza:
      • Included a lot of cutesy anime pictures of him.
    • Alex Minassian:
      • Said that attackers like Minassian demonstrate how it is possible to kill many people with minimal weapons.
    • Arda Küçükyetim aka “skreewie”.
      • May have planned the date of his (anticipated) death to correspond to this attacker in some respect.
      • Quotes them and makes several allusions to killers having parasocial connections to each other.
    • Audrey Hale:
      • Refers to her as the “Nashville pooner”, and says she is one of the worst shooters ever.
      • Says he wants to beat her high score by killing at least ten. He failed, lol.
    • Brenda Ann Spencer:
      • Hale, Stair, and Spencer were featured in a collage made by someone called “ElizaEngel”, so perhaps he is not aware of these cases and just liked the collage.
    • Brenton Tarrant:
      • Includes several pieces of fanart representing him.
    • Douglas Thrams:
    • Dylann Roof:
      • He seems to have a bit of a crush on Roof, going so far as to say that every picture Roof took of himself was “amazing”.
      • Claims to have the same watch as Roof.
    • Elliot Rodger:
      • Along with Roof, cites Rodger as the reason he wears watches.
      • Included several fangirl edits of Rodger’s photos, several of which are shirtless.
    • Eric Harris:
      • He calls Klebold cringe but seems to like Harris.
    • Natalie Rupnow aka the Madison shooter:
      • Was aware she followed him on Xitter, and was extremely proud of this.
        • Had a dream that, because of this, the feds showed up at his house, searched his phone, and found “gore”. Why he would get in trouble for “gore” is beyond me.
      • Says she “mogs” Lyedja Yasmin Silva Santos, another female killer. Seems sexually obsessed with her. Talks about her “ghost pussy”.
    • Nicholas Cruz:
      • Joked about Cruz being fat and how Cruz’s gynecomastia makes him want to lose weight / work out for his attack.
      • Cruz apparently said that he wished someone had tried to hug him during the attack, which lead to cringe anime fanart that the shooter posted in his diary.
    • Randy Stair aka Andrew Blaze aka Tranny Phantom:
      • Says he considers Blaze to be one of the worst shooters next to the “Nashville Pooner”. Says that Stair, Hale, and the “STEM shooter” are the worst.
    • Salvador Ramos:
      • Considered copying his haircut.
    • William Atchison, aka Couchcuck:
      • Says that this killer’s failures are why he packed lockpicks.
  • Other murderers besides rampage killers:
    • Brandon Andrew Clark:
      • Says that his victim, Bianca Devins, deserved to die.
    • Carly Gregg:
      • Says she is “beautiful”.
      • She murdered her mother, which reinforces his mommy issues.
    • See list at the end of the post for a complete list of criminals he referenced.
  • References MK Ultra and other forms of abuse against the mentally ill.
  • The 764 Discord:
    • Explicitly references Tobbz, a German national living in Romania who killed a woman and live-streamed himself stabbing a man.
    • Makes a joke about how all he does is “eat”, “sleep”, and “extort”.
  • The Norwegian black metal scene:
    • He included a Norwegian newspaper article which was reporting on acts of arson against churches.
    • Includes several photos of Pelle Ohlin before and after he blew his brains out.
  • Photos of gore:
    • A black man having his throat cut.
    • The mutilated remains of a black toddler.
    • Fanart of Shuaiby.
    • Several photos of bodies after a suicide by firearm, including Pelle Ohlin’s corpse on the cover of Dawn of the Black Hearts.
  • The Third Reich:
    • Meme parodies of Hitler and iconography such as the totenkopf.
      • Several of these memes are derived from other sources, such as “SpongeWaffen”, and may misrepresent the level of knowledge the shooter had about these topics.
  • References to violence against children and CSA:
    • He included a cartoon of a little anime girl wearing a shirt that says “Daisy’s Destruction” on it.
    • References the murder of two year old James Bulger. There was been speculation that Bulger’s body was sexually tampered with. Later, as an adult, one of the boys responsible for Bulger’s death would be convicted of possession of CSAM.
    • Recontextualizes anime fanart of the Columbine shooters by saying the drawing would depict him if it had “sonnenrads” and “MAP flags”.
    • Included a photo of a man wearing a t-shirt with Oskar Dirlewanger on it and holding a Jewish-themed dakimakura.
    • Seems very happy that there are small children and middle schoolers present at the high school on the day of the attack.
    • He considered a “black elementary school” for the attack but decided against it.
    • Lists a sex offender against a child as one of his favourite criminals.
    • I get nonce vibes from this freak.
  • Fictional representations of violence:
    • Includes several movies that are popular with the true crime community, such as Elephant, and Zero Day (2003). I personally think it is unlikely he watched many (let alone all) of these movies, since many of them had explicitly anti-violence themes.
Online references:
  • Bookanon aka Daniel Harris.
  • TempelOvBob, aka SpongeWaffen, aka Noctulian Freakybob:
  • Anthony LoGatto, aka A-Log:
    • The shooter describes himself as an “ALOGGER”.
  • Image-boards:
    • The shooter pastes screenshots of his posts on Soyjak Party into his diary. One of these screenshots, dated October 27th, forewarns the attack.
  • Parodies and memesof content in other categories:
    • An image of a soyjak dancing the Gangnam pasted over a photo of the mutilated corpse of a black toddler.
    • Memes about morbid topics such as the suicide of Kurt Cobain.
  • Negative XP:
    • He complains because, while his mommy was doing his laundry, she shrunk his Negative XP hoodie.
    • Has multiple Negative XP shirts and debated which one had the nicer font for his massacre. No, really.
  • Sam Hyde:
    • Has several pages of teenaged photos of Hyde.
  • Null aka Joshua Conner Moon:
    • Refers to Moon by his legal name and Kiwi Farmers as “kiwitroons”.
  • Bobby Lemon aka BobbyLemon aka Mr. Smithy aka Joshua Smith.
  • Eggy White, aka Egg White, aka Toby Reynolds.
  • DBDR.
  • Lots of gay anime shit, like Caramelldansen.
  • CanIHavePromo:
    • Says she is “refined” and cute, and one of the only black girls he considers worthy of reseeding his race with.
Notes on categorization:
I am putting Norwegian black metal as a category under true crime. This is because (I believe) that the shooter had minimal interest in the music. In fact, he doesn’t seem very much into music at all. I believe his interest in Norwegian black metal is rooted in superficial things like the crimes committed by members of the black metal scene, the alleged racism of black metal musicians, and the fact it was made by white people.

New pieces of media:
Various catbox files he linked to without explanation and all of which need to be archived.
I have not opened or archived these. Open at your own discretion. I assume most of them are things like the UHC shooter blowing some CEO’s brains out. I apologize for not archiving these files, but I can’t handle any more of this retard.

Preliminary analysis:
Kid is a textbook example of someone committing murder for attention. Many of his quotes fit in with the script for Assassins, written by John Weidman, Stephen Sondheim, and Charles Gilbert Jr. It’s a musical about how public murderers are pathetic losers who have parasocial relationships with each other.
The character of John Hinkley Jr., an incel who was obsessed with famous killers and coquettish young actresses, is very similar to the Antioch shooter, in that they’re both loser nerds who failed spectacularly. For example, compare his obsession with documenting different rampage killers and Hinkley’s crush on Lee Harvey Oswald:
BOOTH: Eighteen years from now, when John tries to assassinate President Reagan, they’re going to search his room, and you know what they’re going to find? (An airy little shimmy) Every book about you ever written.
HINCKLEY (steps forward, opening his book and holding it out to Oswald): Can I have your autograph?
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Pretty comparable levels of autism, eh? And that’s far from the only similarity:
Weidman et al said:
OSWALD: People will hate me.
BOOTH (moves towards Oswald, fixing his eyes): They will hate you with a passion, Lee. Imagine people having passionate feelings about Lee Harvey Oswald…
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The shooter said:
I don't want to be loved, I want to be hated by all. It's the only real emotion.
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Weidman et al said:
CZOLGOSZ: You think you’re powerless. Empower us.
BOOTH: It’s in your grasp, Lee. All you have to do is move your little finger. (A gentle nod and shake of his head) You can close the New York Stock Exchange.
GUITEAU: Shut down the schools in Indonesia.
MOORE: In Florence, Italy, a woman will leap from the Duomo clutching a picture of your victim and cursing your name -
CZOLGOSZ: Your wife will weep -
FROMME: His wife will weep -
ZANGARA: The world will weep -
GUITEAU: Grief. Grief beyond imagining -
HINCKLEY: Despair -
MOORE: The death of innocence and hope -
CZOLGOSZ (raising a fist): The bitter burdens which you bear -
BYCK: The bitter truths you carry in your heart -
GUITEAU (spreading his hands): You can share them with the world.
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The shooter said:
I don't want to live a normiefag life with people crying for me with fake tears.
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Which is a fancy way of saying that the shooter is an embarrassing and narcissistic sad-sack. He ruined the one chance he had to receive the positive regard that he so clearly craves. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, dipshit.
Because this brat is so thoroughly typical, I frequently became bored while reading his manifesto. So why am I still interested in this case? Because I’m curious about these online blackmail groups that the shooter was aware of and may have been a part of.

I believe he started the diary when he began planning the attack, and I base this off the dates in the threatening posts he made on image-boards. He planned this for, at least, about 3-4 months.

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Lists:
He made tons of lists and references which would have been annoying to configure into the rest of the post. I also removed any criminals from the previous True Crime segment if I had no additional commentary for them and slotted them in here. I alphabetized and corrected the writing in many of the shooter’s lists for clarity’s sake.
His favourite criminals:

He also referenced several victims and criminals without knowing their names.
List of criminal cases he is interested in:

His “top groomers”:
He’s being a dick here, obviously.

Musicians he likes:
Mostly rap and “incelcore” music.

His movie watchlist:
He basically found every movie about school shootings and claimed them as his “favourites” regardless of the movie’s tone or message. He did not watch most of them.

His top “TCC [True Crime Community] YouTubers”:
Get it? The joke is that they’re all criminals and / or racists. Do you guys get it? It’s an epic troll, guys! I need fucking nap.
Oh, and, uh, sorry about re-posting this. I fucked up the formatting just as the editing period ended. I reported the first time I posted this and asked the moderators to remove it. I’m sorry. I’m a retard.
 

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I glow in the dark said:
I was actively watching and digging the accounts when the first shooting happened and was going to post evidence they were removing and blocking all followers on Rupnow's accounts to keep people from digging until Null closed the thread. If you think me saying that the FBI and MI5 has been negligent with the prosecution of a cult of accelerationist satanist pedophiles is a misdirection tactic to aid and abet them, you're a fucking retard who obviously didn't read the first thread.
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I'm baffled by how many people show the fact they've been heavily skimming through shit to not realize that the FBI and other glowies being absolute negligent is not a misdirection. I was part of the other threads as well, as an observer but I aided one of the posters a little to compile the evidence and even I can say how fucking retarded the glowies have been about this. Their priorities are always fucking stupid and it shows if this shit can continue to happen and it keeps making front fucking page on this website, morons.

Nobody, absolutely nobody, not even this man who glows in the dark, is saying that the feds are fully to blame for this, nor is anybody trying to distract from the fact these pedo sadist gorilla niggers still exist and keep getting away with it. What they are saying is that given the FBI and MI5's negligence on the matter it's no fucking wonder it keeps happening and the people who are supposed to be in charge of people's safety should share part of the blame. True, there could be discussion to be had about why they're being so slow about the matter, but I can assure you nobody in this thread cares enough to derail it about that.

And props to @Aquarius for the updates. Hopefully they're not wrong.
 
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Did anyone archive his Pinterest before it was removed? Would be interested in what he had on there
 
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Aquarius said:
  • Wishes he had a “friend” to do “true crime stuff” with.
  • Saved fanart of the Columbine killers holding hands.
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Expresses hatred of women.
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Dylann Roof:
  • He seems to have a bit of a crush on Roof, going so far as to say that every picture Roof took of himself was “amazing”.
  • Claims to have the same watch as Roof.
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Elliot Rodger:
  • Along with Roof, cites Rodger as the reason he wears watches.
  • Included several fangirl edits of Rodger’s photos, several of which are shirtless.
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Aquarius said:
Cruz apparently said that he wished someone had tried to hug him during the attack, which lead to cringe anime fanart that the shooter posted in his diary.
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Adam Lanza:
  • Included a lot of cutesy anime pictures of him.
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Nigga was literally thirsting after Dylann Roof and all those other shooters. He is not an incel, he is a zesty closeted gaycel who worships white guys especially attractive ones like Roof. I bet he likes self-inserting and imagining himself as "the one" and comforting these uwu troubled shooters. If he found his true and honest boyfriend-free buckbreaker whiteboi to do true crime stuff with maybe he wouldn't go on a shooting. Gays cant breed so it wouldnt be against his racemixing phobia
 
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That's not how Eastern Europe works. The first instinct isn't "oh god oh fuck we have to lock them up" but "how can we make them work for us?"
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Typically yes, but those fellas are actually on a similar page to the rest of the international community. Whether or not its propaganda for their own war, or because they are legitimately trying to paint a singular collective force for their riots and fires, or if they actually give a shit remains to be seen.
You know something is serious when the East and West are willing to put aside their spats and semi work together.
 
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Typically yes, but those fellas are actually on a similar page to the rest of the international community. Whether or not its propaganda for their own war, or because they are legitimately trying to paint a singular collective force for their riots and fires, or if they actually give a shit remains to be seen.
You know something is serious when the East and West are willing to put aside their spats and semi work together.
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The thing with these guys in particular is that they can so, so easily be hoist by their own petard. They're basically all compromised by default. They come pre-entrapped and can be blackmailed willy-nilly as a result. The Yugoslav State Security had this basically as their cornerstone - grooming certain problematic youths into becoming agents due to the plausible deniability - Arkan was literally a result of this system.

I feel like contemporary politics are far too moralistic for anyone to do this, but I won't deny that it would be incredibly easy and tempting. "Yeah yeah we'll turn a blind eye to you exploiting kids, just answer the phone when we call you or we'll put your ass in prison/gulag/tie you to a tree on some mountain and beat you to death"
 
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