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The mere notion that they "have to" read/ watch some faggotry is so retarded it's insulting.
AO3 is the largest archive of all fanworks, and M/M outnumbers M/F by 2:1. It outnumbers F/F by 6:1
A sin some are seduced by? Maybe, but if the fact of moving on to gay porn because they exhausted 3/10s of all the smut in AO3 should tell them that they are dealing with a progressive disease, that will undoubtedly take them to worse places in time.
They should quit before it's too late.
 
Saw an advert on Facebook for a Kickstarter of a comic by a "nonbinary" pooner. (archive)
It's so on the nose, I can't believe it's real.
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What about just getting into a relationship like normal people do?
Granted, I'm an old fag, but that was my first thought. Even as sleeping around with random males and getting labeled an easy whore doesn't have much in the way of social consequences any more thanks to libfem sex pozz shit (and assorted treatments for STDs and unwanted pregnancies) it seems not to matter because no one is akshully doing it. As @DYLAN ‘DIELAWN’ VOLK just pointed out, nerdy young people are living and "edating" online. Abstractly and artificially. IMO it's because they missed a critical window in their young adult development fucking around online instead of interacting with each other irl and making mistakes and learning from them. And the further away you get from that critical period (when your peers were all floundering alongside you) the harder it gets to just jump in and try anyway. And the results from mistakes are more devastating.
so long as there are no women, they cannot be objectified
People, especially women, cannot see how much feminist ideology is already drilled into deep into our brains and affecting our perceptions. (Yeah, yeah, I know politisperging here. But we really can't talk pooner and avoid critiquing liberal and rad feminism.) And it's such a strange mash up. Be like men and consume porn, you liberated gals! But since gals aren't wired to be stimulated by visual sexual content the way males are, don't have the matching indiscriminate sociosexuality and perceive being Slot B to Tab A as lesser and undersirably submissive, they maladapt to watching gay yaoi porn that symbolically emulates romantic hetero relationship dynamics. Not surprisingly, it resonates. And then gals who overindulge in yaoi porn (which is easy to do) poon out and destroy themselves (and their futures) trying to attain something imaginary that can't be attained. Ever. Shit's fucked up, man. So fucked up.
 
Disagree there. AO3 is the largest archive of all fanworks, and M/M outnumbers M/F by 2:1. It outnumbers F/F by 6:1. Famously, lesbians will argue with each other over the depiction of lesbians and will engage in literal catfights where they will not do so in the M/M section.
It's not the only place people post. And you also need to take into account people do not always accurately categorize (especially newer writers). There are a lot of works I've come across in many fandoms where the main pairing is M/F but there are side pairings that are M/M and they will still categorize the fix as both M/F and M/M. When you look at raw statistics these are accounted for despite how in the background the other pairing is. People are also often fond of rating porn one shots as M when they should be categorize as E and not all E rated fics are for just sexual content but might be for extreme violence. You sort of have to actually browse through particular fandoms to get a read on this.
 
Boy, there's a lot to reply to, so I'll try to structure a general response.

I am curious though, what do you think is heterosexual visual porn for women?
In this case, anything drawn/made to visually appeal to women sexually.
watch homos give each other GRIDS
Just to be clear, I am not including actual faggot-on-faggot action or other life-action porn. By 'gay porn' in my previous post I meant the BL comic genre. Most female nerds tend to use more stylised art for their shlickbait, and there are countless jokes about fujoshi freaking out when shown actual fags fucking. Speaking from personal experience, I have yet to meet a woman who honestly prefers irl porn to anything drawn/written.
Finding yourself in the position where all of your schlickbait is faggotry is the result of internet addiction and lack of real world socialization.
Those two reasons are too broad to really explain it, aren't they? You could say the same thing about furries, various kinds of loli-sho freaks, bizarre roleplayers, and other weird subcultures with large followings. Internet escapism opens the door to many degeneracies, but what exactly leads so many girls to this particular one?
A lot of mainstream romance novels have sex scenes in them very comparable to fanfiction in these categories. Many of them now are written by people who explicitly got started writing in fanfic. It's important to remember that a lot of women still prefer sexual content in works that have other story elements. It's still erotic and arousing but won't be found only in porn one-shots.
This brings us to the issue of M/F vs. M/M. Paper Machete is right in pointing out that femporn tends to be balanced with other elements like plot and character development, so more like a story with fucking rather than just fucking. This is true of both straight and gay romance stories. The real differences come in how exactly the sexual part is portrayed. This is where the visual part comes in. Men are simply not as openly sexualised on the het side as they are on the gay side. Or at least it was like that for a decade or so. While in some straight manga of the 2000s an artist would struggle to draw nipples for the guy, let alone a dick, a fujoshi artist would draw the men with all the juicy details and less censorship. The heterosexual sex is usually stale, sometimes even too metaphorically depicted with flowers and sparkles to understand what's going on. The BL, on the other hand, gives exactly what a horny girl wants to see, without forgetting the drama and character development. And let's not forget how the BL, thanks to the absence of women, can actually make riskier choices, touch on more controversial issues and use more violence - a perfect shock element that always attracts a bigger, more impressionable audience.

This is also a key element of why some rare heterosexual smut, such as Fifty Shades of Grey, has become so popular. Thanks to being a written form of entertainment and not actually showing anything to the viewer, heterosexual smut novels/fics are allowed to be more explicit in their content, but they are usually looked down upon or heavily criticised, while the gay ones more often get a pass. There's also this stigma that straight romance for girls is inferior or childish, which is also perpetuated by fujoshi culture. "A woman is always the self-insert, never the character, while the BL protagonist is allowed to be a person first" - some of them might argue, among other things.

So what you have is restricted, stigmatised hetero-femporn, with writers afraid to show anything risky, and the genre that actually shows the shit an edgy teenage girl wants to see - naked, well-drawn dudes with explicit sex scenes and good character/plot writing. Is it really that surprising that so many of them will come to the "I wanna be an anime boy" conclusion? It's the only way they'll get what they want. Being a girl in sex sounds so boring and weak anyway, right?

If they do not poon out, they at least become some sort of non-binary or declare themselves some queer sexuality, just so they could get away from this feeling of being powerless and intimidated. But no matter how they shave their head, at the end of the day they are still just confused straight girls.
There's even "feminist porn" that's supposed to cater to women's interests instead of men.
There are some developments in straight femporn, though. I haven't heard much about 'feminist' porn (isn't it just a lie made up by porn producers to promote being a porn star as liberating?), but even the rare femporn comics are better now. But the damage has already been done to a generation of women.
There are only a select handful of fandoms where M/M content outweighs M/F
That's a nice way of saying 'most'. Even in fandoms with a predominantly female or gender-balanced cast, such as Danganronpa, men will be paired together far more often. Girls have the honour of being background lesbians somewhere far away from the author's husbands. Before you find at least one real M/F work, you'll have to waste hours scrolling through gay rape fics and...
Readerfic
Reader-insert fanfics, ah yes. It's more of a topic for the yumejoshi thread with how unhealthy it is as a concept too, but I wouldn't call them the last bastillion of straight fiction either. I'd argue that readerfics are more often than not gender-neutral and are perfect for supporting pooner delusions. Sure, you can imagine you're a woman when you're fucking Satoru Gojo, but let's not forget the poor tif who wants to imagine she's a soft bean gay boy. It is now even infecting newer dating sim games for women, as a protagonist is never shown and is referred to with a they/them pronounce. The developer would have a heart attack if she showed a woman getting it on with a guy in her horny harem game.
it was always a thing it was also a niche within a niche until perhaps relatively recently
It's hard to say exactly, because it's different in every country, but yaoi stopped being a niche in Japan a long time ago. And since the advent of Tumblr, no English-speaking person has remained unaware of its existence. It has grown in popularity over decades and is now forever stuck as the default porn for women.
the case of individuals only liking M/M is also relatively new
As long as Fujoshi culture existed, so did the 'eeeeew het' jokes. Fujoshi prefer m/m over everything else, and it always shows in their art, no matter what they do. They can make a mahou shoujo manga with a mostly female cast and still end up with a BL subplot tumor.

In conclusion, I think BL culture served as a solid foundation for the current year's "I'm anything but a (straight) woman" nonsense. It had a lethal combination of social anxiety about female biology and sexuality and a big dose of stupid dopamine from watching porn where men are actually objectified as women always are.

I think the only way to fight this is the way it has seeped into women's minds - through art. Only by developing alternatives to the first end of the pipeline can we ensure a slower increase in "gay male" pooners.

Thank you for listening to my CoomerTalk.
 
You should reflect on the fact that you just made a post about there not being enough normal porn for you to consume so you read/watch homos give each other GRIDS, and quit before it's too late. Porn consumes people not the other way around.
In my defence, I read BL mostly for the art, so I could steal shit from fujoshi authors for future references in designs, writing and anatomy. Steal from the rich, give back to the people, so to speak.
 
I think you're projecting a lot rather than just observing phenomenon, to be honest. I brought up stuff like readerfic because I've noticed there are a lot of pooners that read it. This stuff isn't gender neutral in the slightest by my reckoning. Keeping in mind all of these fanfic is the MOST fembrained bullshit imaginable, even the male characters are school marmy.

I also honestly outright do not quite believe the "cause we're objectified" bit quite so much. Women are coy about our sexuality and don't like to be upfront. You don't have to watch mainstream porn as a default and then seek alternatives. That's coomer brained as fuck. A lot of these types of girls straight up get started with sexual content on the fanfic side of things which is skewed very female and you can write and read whatever you want. That's why it's such an interesting case study, because it's explicitly them showcasing their weird fixations. But I know are disagree with a lot of people on this.
 
The mere notion that they "have to" read/ watch some faggotry is so retarded it's insulting.

A sin some are seduced by? Maybe, but if the fact of moving on to gay porn because they exhausted 3/10s of all the smut in AO3 should tell them that they are dealing with a progressive disease, that will undoubtedly take them to worse places in time.
They should quit before it's too late.
That is true, but it does give a window into the differences between male and female sexuality. Men are visual, women more imaginative, objects vs people etc etc.
It's not the only place people post. And you also need to take into account people do not always accurately categorize (especially newer writers).
It is one of the largest archives, and has a direct connection to Twitter and tumblr, so it gives a look into fandom. But it's semantics at this point.
 
AO3 was literally created in response to livejournal being bought out by Russians and gay fanfic becoming verboten to post there. Drawing conclusions about typical female sexuality by looking at AO3 is like looking at DerpiBooru and concluding all men want to fuck cartoon ponies. It was by fetishists for fetishists from the start.
 
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Look, most porn is awful, and pooning is not the answer to that shit.
As a woman who enjoys watching porn, I absolutely understand why young women (and men) would be disgusted,. confused and turned off by the state of what has become 'normal' porn.
I think I would run into the woods if I were a young person and had no references other than online perverts, troons and groomers (redundant, know...) that invade teens' spaces to deal with "Tiny Slut Anally Destroyed By Gang of BBCs On Her 18th Birthday" or similar shit that kids are introduced to.
It's absolutely terrible, and don't even get me started on the usual comments. If feminists had half a brain to change something for young girls and women, they would stop insisting on stupid gendered language and instead work towards policing derogatory vile horny posts by creepy guys - because, believe me, that shit is so repugnant and absolutely everywhere, calling women and girls sluts, holes, bitches, advocating (sexual) violence, dismemberment, rape, kidnapping, you name it.

Yet I've never had to resort to gay porn. I honestly don't believe that's an issue for women who aren't already predisposed to be degenerate.
There are plenty of sites and categories for whatever people enjoy, and happy couples amateur porn is literally just a click away. If you "need" to watch gay porn as a hetero woman then your brain is already broken. It starts really early, too .... one of my good friends pooned out in the early oughts, and she was already into almost exclusive gay fictional relationships back in the late 90s. The gay porn to pooner pipeline is real, but it seems to mostly affect girls and women who are already brokebrained.
No one has to watch shitty porn or be exposed to the utter vomit trash piles (often literally) that coombrained men like in their porn.

Parents, please make sure your kids understand that real life sex with a partner is nothing like porn, and that no one can run away from their own biology.
 
Saw an advert on Facebook for a Kickstarter of a comic by a "nonbinary" pooner. (archive)
It's so on the nose, I can't believe it's real.
Her real name is Piper Bates and she looks like this.
I don't know if that's just British genetics or if she's been taking testosterone because that's one high hairline.
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She's mainly a Software Engineer.

OT but I know everyone complains about the artstyles of the youth but god damn zoomer styles are the worst. Social media has really changed how people draw.
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I see those negative canthal eyes everywhere.
 
A barrel of laughs for the fine attendees of The Pooner Zoo today.

Another destroyed heterosexual marriage, though it sounds as if OP's douchebag husband being a philandering sleaze had more to do with it than she did. The biggest victim in this scenario is the young daughter who must now contend with being housed by not just one, but two weird perverts.
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Pretty sure marriage is over

Tldr; marriage is dead, financially stuck with a kid, venting into the void
I really don't have anyone I can talk to about it, but I have seen the signs for a couple years now.
Before I came out as trans my husband came out as Bi. I had a feeling for awhile, but didn't push or anything. I was happy and he fell into it hard. I get it, he missed out on a lot of experiences by not realizing until later in life. I helped him explore sexual sides of things and encouraged him to join LGBTQ+ spaces. I myself have gone through a lot of labels, but ended up on Demisexual (sex positive).
He asked to open our relationship so he could experiment. I know if I had sad no he would drop it no questions asked. And I did say no at first because I had such a strong reaction to the question that I wanted to figure out why. I never considered myself monogamous but with being Demisexual there was no one I ever got close enough (outside of my husband) with to consider being with so it was never an issue. I realized later I hated the idea of him sleeping with other men because it made me not a man (please note I still didn't realize I was trans at this point). So therapy, online research and lots of talking I transition and decide to open the relationship. The idea of him sleeping with others doesn't bother me, we set down rules and I think awesome we got it figured out.
Except he starts pulling away. He is so engrossed in this new side of himself he stops investing time in our relationship. Intimacy is tense because it is constantly me meeting his needs with no concern to mine. I would even ask him to help me finish and he would just say he was tired or next time. It made me feel used and like he wasn't having sex with me cause he liked me, but to scratch his own itch. So we just stopped, I stopped reaching out to him and he never came to me. I brought up the lack of intimacy with him and he said he thought it was because I'm asexual. I have told him numerous times that I'm demi and it makes it hard to feel attraction without an emotional bond (which I HAVE with him because married). How I have never turned him down for sex and loved feeling close. Except I have been iced out of intimacy for three years now, any emotional trust or connection I had with him gone so even if he did approach me for sex I don't think I could. I told him this, begged to work on building ourselves back up and he agreed. Then did absolutely nothing. No attempts, no effort, just "well let me know when you want to do that" forcing me once again to take the brunt of responsibility for intimacy.
Then he brings up poly, says there is someone he really likes. This is surprising because when we opened the marriage it was with him saying "sex is just something fun, it feels good but doesn't have to mean romantic love is involved". So he stops having sex with me, have no intimacy and now he wants to be poly. At this point I have given up, I saw the signs of a dead relationship and just said sure. I thought after three years of a dead relationship it wouldn't hurt, but I guess seeing how smitten he is with this guy and how not he is with me aches.
So now I'm stuck because I have been with him for 15 years my only serious relationship. I'm financially dependent on him, have been out of work for 6 years raising our kid and now being trans in this political environment I have no where to go. I feel unloved, unloveable and like I wasted all my good years depressed and repressed. I just want to leave, but I have my daughter to think of and no means of living on my own.
I don't know I just needed to spill my guts and I guess you guys can comment, but I think I'm just wanting some sign things might get better.
A FTM wonders how she can get people to stop mourning her former self, even when she bears the blood on her hands still; for those that demand their feelings be honored as if feelings are sacrosanct, they certainly like to bulldoze over the feelings of others. Such is the way of the narcissist and the cultist, all rolled into one in a heavily-protected "minority."
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How do you respond to "grief" rhetoric?

I've had some folks respond to updates about my transition with the rhetoric that feel like they've "lost" my old self (as if I died) and/or they need to "grieve" the person they knew before they can get to know the new person I'm becoming.
I don't want to be insensitive to this being a big mental shift for some people, especially folks who have known me a certain way for a long time. But I also find it really hurtful, like my transition is this tragic bad news rather than something really joyful and affirming, and I'm not sure how to respond when people say stuff like that.
This one is straight up fucking delusional. Why don't you take this concept over to a construction site full of underpaid Latin Americans and see what femininity looks like up close?
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Is it me or the average trans man looks more masculine than the average cis man?

Hi, for the record I'm not trans but I have an admittedly uninformed question about the use of testosterone which the users of this sub-reddit might know the answer to. Please pardon me if this is not the right sub-reddit.
Is it me, or the average trans man looks more masculine than the average cis man? This might be a totally biased question from my experience, but the trans men I've met physically look very stereotypically masculine (the ones that were after hormone therapy of course). In fact, in my perception they looked more physically masculine than the average cis man. Do you share this impression, or it's a random/biased product of the randomness of the trans men in my life (admittedly just 3 people)?
If so, could it be that since natural testosterone is in decline in cis men due to environmental factors, the normal dose induced by hormone therapy is actually resulting in more testosterone than the one the average cis man naturally generates?
I collect posts like these about pooners who have issues with the concept of conset and bodily autonomy because I feel it is necessary to showcase that this sort of rapist's mindset is baked into the concept of transgenderism as a movement. I'll be including some comments for this one. Only a single valiant Redditor dares to go against the crowd and is washed away by the tide of rape rhetoric.
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I struggle with the fact that my intimate life will always have an asterisk

I went to see a movie tonight and it made me think of how different my life is from cis people in general. I'm always reminded that I can't just get drunk and hook up with a person from a bar or a club or party. I'll always have to stop and out myself-even post phallo. I won't ever be just a guy to a person who's intimate with me becuase I'm not cis. There's always an asterisk to my manhood.
It's hard to accept and even think about because it makes me extremely dysphoric. I'll never be able to get this looming secret from above my head. I'll never be able to navigate the world as cis when it comes to intimacy and it's a very hard pill to swallow.
Edit: I haven't had Phallo. I'm saying that even if/when I do have Phallo, I'd still have to out myself.
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The first story is exactly what happens when leftie causes successfully brainwash women into putting the wool over their eyes.

1. Why don't you have anyone to talk to about it? Is it because you don't have close friends of your own or is it because any friends are also in the cult and would tattle on you?
2. I wonder if the husband bringing LGBT+ bull into an already established straight marriage is what encouraged her to poon or what? And why would you encourage it? What is the point? How did he "find out" if the marriage was closed? (We know the answer.)
3. Demisexual was made up on an internet RP forum. Deadass.
4. Why do you need to "figure out" why you had a strong response to him asking if he could sleep around? It's obviously because he's your husband and you have feelings for him. The autism, my gawd.
5. You didn't like the idea of him sleeping with other men because real life faggotry is gross and off putting and not actually like the fanfiction we all know you read like it's crack.
6. Of course he went full "see ya later!" once you allowed him free reign to be a degen. He's sucking dick for cock and you're seemingly content to stay home to run the sweeper. DIVORCE RAPE NOW!

Why so many women go full handmaiden for these pervs when in any other situation people would be encouraging her to leave yesterday is beyond me. It will always make me MATI. These are exactly the types of toxic and abusive relationships with narcissists that so many feminists wanted women to get away from only for the mainstream movement to then turn around and tell so many to just "deal" with a man like that. I do wonder how much him stating he was attracted to other men encouraged her to poon. Usually in these relationships the transing out happens first but perhaps she was subconsciously trying to present as what he wanted since he went full in on the cock lust.
 
I was enjoying the read through the thread, so I figured I should contribute.
There is a youtuber known as Caleb Hammer who runs a show/series called Financial Audit, the tldr of the show is people of questionable intelligence get their finances audited and insulted by the host. Alas the host uses "guy" and "dood" a fair amount in this video.
Enter the pooner episode, some highlights include: poor father daughter relationship, drug use, couch surfing, payday loan for a iphone, two motorcycles and a car (slightly amusing pooner goes for the smaller Ninja 400) payments gone to collections, stealing money from "friends" and more. May not be the standard fare for the thread but thought some may find the look into pooner finance interesting.
FYI caleb hammer is homosexual and tried to commission clients for sex for money (supposedly) but you might already know all that
 
The Supernat slash fandom is where the Omegaverse originated, where "omega" males auto-lubricate and get pregnant via "alpha" males knotting them with dog dicks. That's the level of perversion the Wincest fangirls were on.
I did not want to know this.
I did not need to know this.

No wonder the incest freaked the actor out... pooners are like a cursed Lovecraftian book.
He'll get there, little dood. He looks angry. Does manlet rage trans-cend biological sex?
This Indian man later broke up with this neurotic Jew bitch in under six weeks. That's a helluva record from men who will lose everything over a crumb of pussy.
That got to be a first. If even Pajeet doesn't want your vegan anymore, it is literally joever.
towards "dark romance" (bad boys repackaged for current sensibilities) "reverse harem" (one girl with multiple boyfriends) and monster fucking (white girls fuck minotaurs) than MM/BL
So the Chud/Tyrone but he is a millionaire space pirate vampire, the same basic harem (genderswapped, duh) and dogs/cows that can talk.

The last is already islamic on its own.

This thread should have that -what real yaoi looks like- comic in every page, you know the one about two sweaty fat men humping.

Fujo/yaoi just looks like Yuri or harem. Instead of one hot guy you get two hot guys, it is like Twilight but without Bella to take up space.
Very basic cave(wo)man thinking, 2 better than 1. Do you like chocolate bar? What if you had two?
 
While in some straight manga of the 2000s an artist would struggle to draw nipples for the guy, let alone a dick, a fujoshi artist would draw the men with all the juicy details and less censorship.
This is weird to me. When I was young and would occasionally enjoy yuri/yaoi slop, I appreciated the implication of sex without any of the details. I'd never had any romantic physical contact, and I didn't know what that entailed necessarily. But I was interested in the idea of it. I assumed that factored into it with weirdly overshy covid poons as well, but I guess internet overexposure and pornsickness come into play too.
I literally cannot fathom jerking it to a drawing of a dick. A situation, a scenario? Absolutely. But whether the virgin on the other side of the screen looked up what dicks were on pornhub for "reference" or not? No lmao.
Have we had a pooner ama yet
What could a pooner possibly know that every other woman doesn't already? I'd argue they know much less, especially about themselves and how they're generally perceived.
 
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