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Who are you rooting for in Super Bowl 59?


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I remember when the Super Bowl was an event, the commercials were great, and the NFL was fun to watch. We used to have a Super Bowl party every year and now I can't remember the last time we even had chips and dip during the game. Now it's boring and I can't put my finger on why exactly, other than possibly gambling influencing the games and this:

This is something that's been pissing me off lately. I heard several teams' coaching staffs upstairs have started using AI to make these decisions and it's absolute fucking disaster. I don't know who fucking is responsible for this but coming the off season, either it needs to be improved or they need to be fired. The AI has no concept of the clock and the possibility they can miss the 2 point conversion is completely lost on them for some reason. All they do is tunnel vision on on the 4 & 5 point differences. It's been absolutely infuriating. You don't chase points when you have an entire fucking half of football left to play.
AI has a way of sucking the life and fun out of everything, so if this is true (wouldn't doubt it) then that could be part of why the league is so blah. It's not a very scientific or even logical opinion, but it's mine.

I don't have a problem with Mahomes other than the State Farm commercials and the obvious refereeing bias. I used to like the Chiefs until Tater Swift showed up and the Kelce bros got over exposed. I'm so apathetic about a sport and league I used to love so much as a casual watcher--I don't get into stats or technical stuff, I just want to enjoy myself--it's a real downer. I do hope Saquon gets his ring but I doubt I'll even watch.
 
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I remember when the Super Bowl was an event, the commercials were great, and the NFL was fun to watch. We used to have a Super Bowl party every year and now I can't remember the last time we even had chips and dip during the game. Now it's boring and I can't put my finger on why exactly, other than possibly gambling influencing the games and-
I would think it's the same kind of problem that's strangling the NBA right now: all teams are more and more becoming the same in terms of playstyle and overall vibe. There's not really any "grind it out" teams anymore. Everyone is trying to ape Mahomes, and players that would otherwise give teams a distinct identity (like Saquon Barkley) are now also stacking up on eight or so squads to try and get rings. The ones that aren't trying to wear the Chiefs in a skinsuit are often times just straight up ass because of shitty owners that'll never get fired. No one wants to root for an ass team.

Also consider that the players themselves are getting a bit less polarizing nowadays. The "Legion of Boom" the Seahawks had worked because 1, they were fucking unreal at their positions, and two, they didn't take shit from nobody. Didn't try to deliberately market themselves as friendly. Now most players are doing that, again the NBA has the exact same problem.

The second is that people are complaining more and more about the refs every single time they miss a call to the point where the default thought is that the refs are gonna make the game dogshit. That just straight up takes the joy out of every game regardless of what it is or who's playing. I'll be happy when at least there is someone other than the fucking Chiefs having a chance at a ring. Buffalo needs to get one eventually or the whole city might die out of depression. Lose 4 superbowls and then lose 4 more chances to get one because of course the instant Tom Brady finally starts to lose his grip the Mahomes monster comes in and rules the roost for another decade and a half it seems like. Get some more new blood in the race, you can never have enough.
 
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The second is that people are complaining more and more about the refs every single time they miss a call to the point where the default thought is that the refs are gonna make the game dogshit.
The NFL chose this by going full on with gambling. They wanted the quickest and simplest way to grow the sport. Letting people put money on it attracted more eyes and gets people more invested. Now the issue of having dentists and retired lawyers who want to see themselves on TV officiating games is rearing it's ugly head. Part time refs became too much of an issue for fans to ignore when everyone started getting high def TVs at home and every fan could see how fucked up a call was. For decades nobody had any idea except the crowd watching the jumbotron, now it's on display to tens of millions every week.

They've been terrible at dealing with officiating. The PI review was a great example of something that was necessary that people were calling for, it got implemented poorly, and everyone hated it. The conspiracy minded among fans think they implemented it poorly to make people hate it. Everyone talking about GPS in the balls after the Bills game must not remember when they tested it in this preseason and it went over like a wet fart because it took 45 minutes to determine the spot. They've have GPS tracking chips in the balls for a decade at this point. They have the resources to make it work. The fucking XFL was doing live replay assist with a guy using an xbox controller and they weren't afraid to have the mic air on the broadcast.

The NFL doesn't change because it doesn't want to. Players have been talking about grass vs turf forever. There are even notorious turd fields you feel lucky if you don't lose a player on. Over the past few seasons it has gained momentum and the NFL narrative was that there was no data to support injured vs non-injured. They just started running a study and the preliminary data shows that oh shit, turf is worse. They're also willing to put in grass for soccer players, but not their own players. How fucking stupid is it to not want to protect your $200M worth of players on your home field and demand that all the other owners do the same? It wasn't that long ago that franchises like Cinci were feeding their players fucking hotdogs and nachos for lunch and making them pay for it.

The NFL is a business run by egotistical old men, many of whom are cheap, who don't like change and don't like being told what to do. They could be proactive. They could innovate. They choose not to.
 
I don't know what kind of curse they pulled, but Eli Manning ruining Tom Brady's perfect season was the most hilarious blown perfect season ever.
It was literally the best season any team has had ever... until the Giants fucked everything up for them.

I hope Eli holds that over Peyton and makes him seethe, lmao.

"Yeah, bro, he beat your ass on the reg to go the the Super Bowl, and I snatched away his RING for a PERFECT SEASON!"
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That reminds me of this comic I found on pixiv.
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Panel 1: Eli: I want to be as good a QB as my brother!
Text around Peyton: Greatest QB in NFL History Peyton Manning
4-time League MVP
11 Pro Bowl appearances
1-time Super Bowl MVP
Panel 2: 2008 New York Giants Win! Eli Manning Super Bowl MVP
Eli: I did it, Peyton!
Peyton: Good job, Eli!
Panel 3: 2012 New York Giants Win! Eli Manning Super Bowl MVP (2nd time)
Eli: Huh? Does this mean I've surpassed Peyton?
Panel 4: Peyton: How could you lose twice to a QB like him? You always beat me...
Tom: That's what I'd like to know...
 
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That reminds me of this comic I found on pixiv.
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Panel 1: Eli: I want to be as good a QB as my brother!
Text around Peyton: Greatest QB in NFL History Peyton Manning
4-time League MVP
11 Pro Bowl appearances
1-time Super Bowl MVP
Panel 2: 2008 New York Giants Win! Eli Manning Super Bowl MVP
Eli: I did it, Peyton!
Peyton: Good job, Eli!
Panel 3: 2012 New York Giants Win! Eli Manning Super Bowl MVP (2nd time)
Eli: Huh? Does this mean I've surpassed Peyton?
Panel 4: Peyton: How could you lose twice to a QB like him? You always beat me...
Tom: That's what I'd like to know...
I know demographically it's pretty much impossible for the Japs to produce NFL level guys at any position, and unlike Baseball there isn't a built in cultural appreciation for the sport, but I wish there was. I don't really watch the MLB or NBA, and I'm kind of jealous those sports are so universal that you can have teams vying for international talent from all over the world. I guess the closest is Aussie AFL and rugby guys like Dickson and Mailata as punters and lineman, doesn't hit the same as athletic freaks like Ohtani or Wembanyama coming in and blowing up their respective games though.
 
Has anyone else seen this website called EndRacismKC (Archive) that recently popped up? It treads over very common ground at this point but I thought it worth mentioning due to the chiefs making it to the Superbowl (and for posterity's sake). It's apparently spearheaded by a group called 'Not In Our Honor' (Archive).

I'll attach some of the photos and text from the websites below for those who are curious.

Racist mascots 🤷‍♂️

No justification. 🙅🏽‍♀️

We are demanding:
  1. Cease the use of racialized Native American branding by eliminating all imagery of or evocative of Native American culture, traditions, and spirituality from their team franchise by changing the name including the logo. This includes the use of Native terms, drum, arrows, or monikers that assume the presence of Native American culture.
  2. Apply the NFL’s “zero tolerance” for on-field use of racial and homophobic slurs to all races and ethnic groups, especially Native Peoples.

Ronald F. Levant said:
The use of American Indian mascots as symbols in schools and university athletic programs is particularly troubling because schools are places of learning. These mascots are teaching stereotypical, misleading and too often, insulting images of American Indians. These negative lessons are not just affecting American Indian students; they are sending the wrong message to all students.

Not in our Honor Coalition

Statement to Kansas City Football Team​

Not in Our Honor is a coalition of local Native American leaders and American Indian organizations in the Kansas City metropolitan area who have been speaking out against the use of Native American stereotypes and misappropriation of Native American culture for many years.

The decision of the Kansas City football team to prohibit fans from wearing “headdresses and face paint styled in a way that references or appropriates American Indian cultures and traditions,” this season is a step in the right direction. While it may address the more blatant racist behaviors in the stadium, it does not address the overall racism and appropriation of Native culture inherent with utilizing a race of People as a mascot. It is also a disservice to the fans. While misguided at best, the fans are trying to support their team.

By identifying some behaviors as too “offensive” while reserving some behaviors (tomahawk chop) for review, the team not only robs fans of the full fan experience, they have made the determination that some racism is okay, but blatant racism is not. This is directly in opposition to the recent statements made by the NFL, team owners, management, and players about social justice.

There is no honor in imagery of "The Chief"
Additionally, banning these behaviors is unlikely to stop devout fans from continuing to don headdresses and face paint in the parking lot, nor will it prevent the opposing team from racist behavior. The opposing team will still use the same offensive signs and verbiage they have used for many years, such as, “send them back to the reservation,” “scalp them,” and “Trail of Tears.”

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Some racism is OK? The hypocrisy of KC leadership and the "tomahawk chop"

The Kansas City’s team name was chosen in 1963 to honor a mayor nicknamed “The Chief” due to his founding of an imaginary Boy Scout Indian tribe. This occurred before the Civil Rights movement and before the American Indian Civil Rights movement in the 1970s. For decades, hundreds of tribes, national Indian organizations, and professional organizations have spoken out on this matter. In 2005, the APA called for the immediate retirement of all American Indian mascots, symbols, images and personalities by schools, colleges, universities, athletic teams and organizations, stating:

Research has shown that the continued use of American Indian mascots, symbols, images and personalities has a negative effect on not only American Indian students but all students...

The attempt to justify the maintenance of racist mascots because a very small number of Native Americans accept it, when a majority of us vehemently oppose them is shocking. A recent study found the more connected the individual Native is with their culture (language, traditions, ceremonies), the stronger their opposition.

Lastly, with the NFL also stating they will be stenciling in “End Racism” and “It Takes All of Us” in the endzones, we call on the Kansas City team to:

  1. Cease the use of racialized Native American branding by eliminating all imagery of or evocative of Native American culture, traditions, and spirituality from their team franchise by changing the name including the logo. This includes the use of Native terms, drum, arrows, or monikers that assume the presence of Native American culture.
  2. Apply the NFL’s “zero tolerance” for on-field use of racial and homophobic slurs to all races and ethnic groups, especially Native Peoples.

Not In Our Honor-dedicated to stopping cultural appropriation of Native American people​

As seen on TMZ! and USA Today

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Press Release on KC Football Native American Heritage Month Honoring 2024

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Sign Our Petition
It is time to #ChangeTheName and get rid of the Native Cultural Appropriation KC Football Team Read —->The Super Bowl’s Kansas City Chiefs Are a Cruel Insult to Native Americans

#ChangeTheName​

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Recent News Posts​

Debate About the Chiefs’ name, and it’s ties to Native Americans, Rages On and Here is Why

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Letters in Support of Not In Our Honor​

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Alexander D. Davis said:
I understand that my requests may seem to be daunting, but as our nation works to address systemic racism, it is imperative that Kansas City’s NFL franchise is on the right side of history.
Read More Letters

I don't use social media so I'm sure what the general reaction to this specific campaign has been so far, but I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to do something big either right before or during the game itself, like a stunt or faux Superbowl ad. If they somehow snuck it in to the actual broadcast my sides would never recover but that obviously would never happen in a zillion years. The articles state that the coalition is trying to vie for Taylor Swift's attention but I don't believe there are enough :optimistic: in existence to represent how much of a longshot that is.
 
Has anyone else seen this website called EndRacismKC (Archive) that recently popped up? It treads over very common ground at this point but I thought it worth mentioning due to the chiefs making it to the Superbowl (and for posterity's sake). It's apparently spearheaded by a group called 'Not In Our Honor' (Archive).

I'll attach some of the photos and text from the websites below for those who are curious.

Racist mascots 🤷‍♂️

No justification. 🙅🏽‍♀️

We are demanding:
  1. Cease the use of racialized Native American branding by eliminating all imagery of or evocative of Native American culture, traditions, and spirituality from their team franchise by changing the name including the logo. This includes the use of Native terms, drum, arrows, or monikers that assume the presence of Native American culture.
  2. Apply the NFL’s “zero tolerance” for on-field use of racial and homophobic slurs to all races and ethnic groups, especially Native Peoples.


Not in our Honor Coalition

Statement to Kansas City Football Team​

Not in Our Honor is a coalition of local Native American leaders and American Indian organizations in the Kansas City metropolitan area who have been speaking out against the use of Native American stereotypes and misappropriation of Native American culture for many years.

The decision of the Kansas City football team to prohibit fans from wearing “headdresses and face paint styled in a way that references or appropriates American Indian cultures and traditions,” this season is a step in the right direction. While it may address the more blatant racist behaviors in the stadium, it does not address the overall racism and appropriation of Native culture inherent with utilizing a race of People as a mascot. It is also a disservice to the fans. While misguided at best, the fans are trying to support their team.

By identifying some behaviors as too “offensive” while reserving some behaviors (tomahawk chop) for review, the team not only robs fans of the full fan experience, they have made the determination that some racism is okay, but blatant racism is not. This is directly in opposition to the recent statements made by the NFL, team owners, management, and players about social justice.

There is no honor in imagery of "The Chief"
Additionally, banning these behaviors is unlikely to stop devout fans from continuing to don headdresses and face paint in the parking lot, nor will it prevent the opposing team from racist behavior. The opposing team will still use the same offensive signs and verbiage they have used for many years, such as, “send them back to the reservation,” “scalp them,” and “Trail of Tears.”

1738143527662.png
Some racism is OK? The hypocrisy of KC leadership and the "tomahawk chop"

The Kansas City’s team name was chosen in 1963 to honor a mayor nicknamed “The Chief” due to his founding of an imaginary Boy Scout Indian tribe. This occurred before the Civil Rights movement and before the American Indian Civil Rights movement in the 1970s. For decades, hundreds of tribes, national Indian organizations, and professional organizations have spoken out on this matter. In 2005, the APA called for the immediate retirement of all American Indian mascots, symbols, images and personalities by schools, colleges, universities, athletic teams and organizations, stating:


The attempt to justify the maintenance of racist mascots because a very small number of Native Americans accept it, when a majority of us vehemently oppose them is shocking. A recent study found the more connected the individual Native is with their culture (language, traditions, ceremonies), the stronger their opposition.

Lastly, with the NFL also stating they will be stenciling in “End Racism” and “It Takes All of Us” in the endzones, we call on the Kansas City team to:

  1. Cease the use of racialized Native American branding by eliminating all imagery of or evocative of Native American culture, traditions, and spirituality from their team franchise by changing the name including the logo. This includes the use of Native terms, drum, arrows, or monikers that assume the presence of Native American culture.
  2. Apply the NFL’s “zero tolerance” for on-field use of racial and homophobic slurs to all races and ethnic groups, especially Native Peoples.
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Interesting how naming specific tribes is racist, yet putting all injuns in a homogenous group under a specified name is not
 
I know demographically it's pretty much impossible for the Japs to produce NFL level guys at any position, and unlike Baseball there isn't a built in cultural appreciation for the sport, but I wish there was. I don't really watch the MLB or NBA, and I'm kind of jealous those sports are so universal that you can have teams vying for international talent from all over the world. I guess the closest is Aussie AFL and rugby guys like Dickson and Mailata as punters and lineman, doesn't hit the same as athletic freaks like Ohtani or Wembanyama coming in and blowing up their respective games though.
The beautiful dream of Eyeshield 21.
 
With all the bitching there's been about yet another Chiefs-Eagles Superbowl, apparently we forgot about the Pro Bowl.

Yeah I know, it's a nothing game, but it can't be much worse. Then again, I'm probably just gonna watch The Longest Yard or some shit over the actual Superbowl, so idc...
incase you were curious
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What a surprise - its mostly white people bitching. I hate crediting Dan Snyder with anything, but that fuck had a point - actual Feather Indians don't give a shit about this, or actively LIKE the names.

That said, I'd laugh if KC does the most on the nose shit and renames the team the Swifts...
 
I'm predicting for the Super Bowl to be cancelled or for something to happen at the Super Bowl itself. I know a lot of people who aren't going to watch it at all. That would be a good one to glow to.
 
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Everyone talking about GPS in the balls after the Bills game must not remember when they tested it in this preseason and it went over like a wet fart because it took 45 minutes to determine the spot.
It was optical tracking through Sony's Hawk-Eye. It works well for MLB and NHL, but I don't think they realized how much of the ball is covered up at the end of plays. The NFL is planning to try a revised system next preseason.
It's apparently spearheaded by a group called 'Not In Our Honor'
They've been trying for 10 years. All they've accomplished is getting rid of the paint horse a cheerleader would ride into games. I hope they bring the horse back and give the cheerleader a coup stick.
Why are they white?
The 3 built like muffins are natives and 2 white dudes are the native activist version of male feminists.
 
It was optical tracking through Sony's Hawk-Eye. It works well for MLB and NHL, but I don't think they realized how much of the ball is covered up at the end of plays. The NFL is planning to try a revised system next preseason.
Maybe they should track it from underneath the pile then. Put a NFC (not that one, the other one) layer under the field if they haven't already.
 
The NFL chose this by going full on with gambling. They wanted the quickest and simplest way to grow the sport.
Had nothing to do with growing the actual sport itself just the revenue of the league. More money is bet on sports than spent on sports. The NFL will see around $20 billion per year on fans spending money on its products under the most optimistic calculations. But probably over $30 billion guaranteed in betting with some estimates being closer to $35 billion this year alone. They just want to capture as much gambling money as possible from fans that already gamble. Not win new fans over. These sports leagues know that fans gamble more than they spend on the sport each year and without legalized gambling they keep none of it for themselves.

If they take just 5% of the money from all gambling then that is another near $2 billion in free money for them without having to really do anything other than tax gambling companies for using an NFL license. But they are likely taking ten percent or more especially when you factor in partnership and advertising deals. This is another $4 billion plus the league is now getting per year that is kept purely by the league and owners as well. It's not really making new fans it's just capturing money that was not licensed.
The NFL doesn't change because it doesn't want to. Players have been talking about grass vs turf forever. There are even notorious turd fields you feel lucky if you don't lose a player on. How fucking stupid is it to not want to protect your $200M worth of players on your home field and demand that all the other owners do the same?
It's not just the NFL that has this issue but other field sports and even horse racing. A couple of horse racing tracks in the U.S. switched to some type of artificial dirt and saw record horse deaths and injuries almost immediately. In the end nothing changed until it became impossible to ignore. I played in college on both grass and astroturf. After playing on the turf we'd get those crumb pellets stuck in our skin and you'd need to pull them out and this was decades ago.
 
Put a NFC (not that one, the other one) layer under the field if they haven't already.
Next Gen Stats already uses RFID chips in shoulder pads, the ball, the chains, and 20-30 wide band receivers per stadium. NGS can track how tight the spiral of a throw is. Why the NFL is paying Sony to setup a bunch of cameras to track the ball is beyond me.
 
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