Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[The Nothingness]

Didn't they establish in Rogue One the more elite version of Storm Troopers? The old concept art design.

Yeah, they're the Death Troopers who are supposed to be like special ops, but are mainly bodyguards for certain Imperials and end up jobbing to main good guy characters.

 

[Blamo2000]

I think the toyetic nature of the Empire is really at odds with the "big homogenizing force" aspect. I preferred the more simpler presentation in the OT. You had the Army (guys in the black helmets), Storm troopers and the Imperial Guard (red guys). Snowtroopers made sense, they put on some extra stuff to stay warm.

Having a bazillion type of specialized and "more elite than elite" troops is kinda pointless because they never really can shine and need to job. Especially with Disney Wars. I'm fine with stock Storm Troopers and Clone Troopers. Sure some fancy stuff is nice, like Clone Commandos. But the fancy stuff mostly works because they are rare, and there aren't many special sub branches.

 

[Space Police]

Having a bazillion type of specialized and "more elite than elite" troops is kinda pointless because they never really can shine and need to job. Especially with Disney Wars. I'm fine with stock Storm Troopers and Clone Troopers. Sure some fancy stuff is nice, like Clone Commandos. But the fancy stuff mostly works because they are rare, and there aren't many special sub branches.

The several specialized clone troopers and droids were a highlight of TCW for me. It's really cool for each troop to have their own colour and designation and for there to be special corps like Coruscant guards, senate guards, Kamino security, bomb troopers, pilots, recon troopers, and BARC troopers. It's also neat for there to be different kinds of droids for each job.

 

[Blamo2000]

The several specialized clone troopers and droids were a highlight of TCW for me. It's really cool for each troop to have their own colour and designation and for there to be special corps like Coruscant guards, senate guards, Kamino security, bomb troopers, pilots, and BARC troopers.

They worked better there because there was more of a focus to see them actually do things.

Also man, I forgot about Scout Troopers. I'm dumb.

 

[Midwit]

Say what you will about JJ, but he did a great job emulating the look and feel of a proper Star Wars film

No he didn't, TFA felt like a JJ Abrams film with Star Wars things in it. The cinematography was completely different to Lucas' work and the difference is readily apparent.

guys in the black helmets

Those are Naval Troopers, Imperial Army grunts are the AT-ST drivers from RotJ.

 

[Blamo2000]

Those are Naval Troopers, Imperial Army grunts are the AT-ST drivers from RotJ.

That makes sense. To be a bit contradictory to my previous post I think like how Palpatine basically did a separation of powers with the branches of the military. Unless you are a Moff or Grand Moff you can't even properly rebel, because your forces have massive weaknesses and blind spots that make them inefficient on their own.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Also man, I forgot about Scout Troopers. I'm dumb.

Even then Scout Troopers made perfect sense and didn't feel bloated. They had special armor suited for long range patrol and special deployment and their helmets were different so they probably had a different sensor suite or some kind of advanced climate control and/or HAZMAT filters for hostile environments. They're still recognizable as Storm Troopers though, they just have a different kit. The Clones having multiple different colors and roles also makes sense since the clones are effectively biological machines raised for the singular purpose of war and so treating them like machines where each one is specialized and signified for a very specific role like that just fits the feel.

That makes sense. To be a bit contradictory to my previous post I think like how Palpatine basically did a separation of powers with the branches of the military. Unless you are a Moff or Grand Moff you can't even properly rebel, because your forces have massive weaknesses and blind spots that make them inefficient on their own.

And on top of that there was a huge interservice rivalry, between the army and the navy especially, that made it so that even if you did manage to get enough forces together to rebel your force would in theory fall victim to the same sort of self sabotage that the IJA and IJN got up to. Although I think this was an EU thing, I don't remember that ever being stated or implied in the movies.

 

[Blamo2000]

And on top of that there was a huge interservice rivalry, between the army and the navy especially, that made it so that even if you did manage to get enough forces together to rebel your force would in theory fall victim to the same sort of self sabotage that the IJA and IJN got up to. Although I think this was an EU thing, I don't remember that ever being stated or implied in the movies.

It is an EU thing. We don't really see any insubordination in the OT.

The OT makes them look more professional. Definetely not the glory seeking flanderisation they did in SW Rebels where one of the captains disobeyed Thrawn and broke the formation, so the captain died and the rebels escaped. Like, it's your Admiral, he will have you executed if you disobey. wtf

Even then Scout Troopers made perfect sense and didn't feel bloated. They had special armor suited for long range patrol and special deployment and their helmets were different so they probably had a different sensor suite or some kind of advanced climate control and/or HAZMAT filters for hostile environments. They're still recognizable as Storm Troopers though, they just have a different kit. The Clones having multiple different colors and roles also makes sense since the clones are effectively biological machines raised for the singular purpose of war and so treating them like machines where each one is specialized and signified for a very specific role like that just fits the feel.

Also Clones felt, more organic in this manner. I really liked how they used to have their legion colors and they faded away slowly as they transitioned into the Empire. It reinforced the transition of the Republic into the Empire. Faction colored ships? Please, gimme me cheapest gray paint, and we don't need highlights because the Empire is not a faction, it's the only power in town.

 

[Judge Holden]

on initial warnings it may have value in bioweapons field" like the first Alien film.

Continued aside that is drawing ever further away from Star Wars, nu or old, is my increasing weariness of this cliche to justify why [INSERT EVIL ORGANISATION HERE] is trying to capture/produce freaky ass mutant monsters for "military use".

Like in 99.999% of cases its gonna be a ridiculously cheaper, quicker, more effective, and more logistically easy to just send a bunch of guys with guns to take out a target rather than sending some uncontrollable gibbering penis monster and its team of tard wranglers to slowly pick the target off one by one assuming everything goes exactly according to plan, and should things fuck up it then turns into a massive fucking PR and cleanup nightmare at best and at worst results in shit going apocalyptic and thus any and all profit ever made ever going up in smoke along with society.

Obviously there are more examples of this than can be counted, Resident Evil could well be the poster child given how some asshole durka durka insurgent mob with AKs and RPGs could quite easily take out just about any of the Tyrants in the series despite said Tyrants being absurdly expensive and difficult to produce, but there is some vague reasoning in that the higher ups of Umbrella are all batshit crazy wannabe gods who straight up want to bring about the apocalypse and thus the whole "making mutated freaks to sell as bioweapons" thing is either a lie they sell to those lower down on the chain of command or an intentional part of testing out what pathogen will serve their schizo plans best in practice and thus the profit/risk balance is taken out of the equation.

The most amusingly shit example I can think of is the second Jurassic World movie in which the culmination of the mutant psycho raptor shit is that it can be trained to attack anything a special laser pointer is aimed at.....as opposed to just attaching said laser pointer to a fucking gun and shooting whatever is being aimed at. The bad guys spent insane amounts of money and resources even before you factor in the criminal shit that would torpedo their operation, in order to make a weapon objectively fucking worse than a basic rifle in every single way imaginable.

Bringing shit back to Star Wars with the mention of Death Troopers though, apparently that particular piece of old EU was sorta recanonised and tied to the nu-wars death troopers in a way that is just hilariously fucking retarded when you actually think about it.

...to capitalize on rumors of the top secret project, Emperor Palpatine named the death troopers of Imperial Intelligence after the Undead Troopers of Project Blackwing, which were also referred to as Death Troopers

So Big Nigga Sheev ordered that the black armoured augmented stormtroopers be called "Death Troopers" to intentionally draw attention to his top secret zombie virus project despite it.....ya know....being a top secret project, let alone it having jack shit to do with said augmented stormtroopers.

"Your highness, there have been rumours circulating about Project Blackwing, given the sensitive nature of the project and how much of a public relations catastrophe this project would be for us should it be exposed, we need to act quickly to eliminate the source of these rumours and ensure this project remains a secret"

"Indeed Tarkin.....henceforth we shall call our new Stormtrooper Special Forces corps.....the Death Troopers"

".....sir I'm afraid I don't quite follow....how does that.....they have nothing to do with Project Blackwing"

"Oh it is quite simple my friend. When our enemies and indeed our own forces see our bitchin super-stormtroopers and realise they are called Death Troopers, it will make them remember our top secret zombie virus project."

"so.....you want everyone to know about our top secret zombie virus project?"

"......shouldnt you be getting rawdogged by young TK-421 right now?"

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Also Clones felt, more organic in this manner. I really liked how they used to have their legion colors and they faded away slowly as they transitioned into the Empire. It reinforced the transition of the Republic into the Empire. Faction colored ships? Please, gimme me cheapest gray paint, and we don't need highlights because the Empire is not a faction, it's the only power in town.

Oh for sure, the art direction between the PT and OT in that regard is great, seeing a vibrant and diverse coalition force become an imperial monolith and seeing that reflected in the aesthetic of their equipment is so cool.

The OT makes them look more professional. Definetely not the glory seeking flanderisation they did in SW Rebels where one of the Captain disobeyed Thrawn and broke the formation, so the captain died and the rebels escaped. Like, it's your Admiral, he will have you executed if you disobey. wtf

I've never watched Rebels. I watched part of the 3d Clone Wars series as a kid and said "this is gay, the 2d series was way cooler" and turned it off after only a couple episodes.

It is an EU thing. We don't really see any insubordination in the OT.

Okay good to know I'm not going crazy. I never interacted much with the EU but you pick things up through osmosis and with Star Wars especially it can be difficult sometimes to remember what is actually in the movies and what is EU content since the EU is so pervasive.

 

[Blamo2000]

I've never watched Rebels. I watched part of the 3d Clone Wars series as a kid and said "this is gay, the 2d series was way cooler" and turned it off after only a couple episodes.

You were not wrong. While I liked the idea of the Clone Wars 3D show, it was an enjoyable first watch but the two things that bothered me is the blatant overwriting of the old Clone Wars lore. Brain chips. Meh. Also how the CIS was shown an incompetent cretins, and Obi-Wan an Grievous and Anakin and Dooku had a duel like once every two weeks. The BX commando droids were mondo cool, I love em.

I was mostly checked out by the point of Darth Maul "somehow surviving" and training a bigger Darth Maul and overtaking Mandalore. This is just blatant fanservice and fanfiction. Get out of here.

Edit: There was an early-ish episode where Ashoka had to learn to be less rash... by leading the Clone Pilots into their deaths. Cool. What kind of fucking tone are we going for here?

Okay good to know I'm not going crazy. I never interacted much with the EU but you pick things up through osmosis and with Star Wars especially it can be difficult sometimes to remember what is actually in the movies and what is EU content since the EU is so pervasive.

The OT doesn't really talk much about the organization of the Galaxy. The PT is more rich in that sense.

Oh for sure, the art direction between the PT and OT in that regard is great, seeing a vibrant and diverse coalition force become an imperial monolith and seeing that reflected in the aesthetic of their equipment is so cool.

I really like how for example the Phantom Menace shows that the Galaxy was way fancier. Good contrast to the utilitarian droid army. I used to have the Incredible Cross Sections book for the Phantom Menace when the movie was fresh. I just admired how the Trade Federation Army was designed to work together. Everything had it's place, and fit together efficiently.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I really like how for example the Phantom Menace shows that the Galaxy was way fancier. Good contrast to the utilitarian droid army. I used to have the Incredible Cross Sections book for the Phantom Menace when the movie was fresh. I just admired how the Trade Federation Army was designed to work together. Everything had it's place, and fit together efficiently.

I remember those books, I loved to page through them and read all the little tidbits. Half the reason I love the first two Battlefront games so much is because of those books and then getting to blow up all the droids and vehicles that were in them. As a kid I would even try to get around to the sides and rear of the CIS tanks because I specifically remember in those books it talked about how they had super think armor in the front and my little eight year old brain was convinced the game knew about this and would do more damage if you hit the sides and rear.

 

[Judge Holden]

Ok so I should confess something

I did not care for the Clone Troopers

I am talking all iterations, from those in the prequel movies to those in the Clone Wars cartoon(s), to those in Clone Commando and beyond. In fact I found them annoying each and every time the work tried to make them into unique characters or to go ever further lengths in humanising them and individualising them.

I don't take issue with the general concept of the clone army per se, but feel that making them friendly and cuddly and lovable individuals and mostly best frens with the Jedi until the magic chip in their noggin made them kill niggers said Jedi was fluffy bullshit that cheapened how they were essentially biological robots raised from birth to be sociopathic super-soldiers with zero regard for their own lives and send into the meatgrinder to die in their millions/billions.

I am aware this side of things was not entirely unexplored in nu/old EU but as it stands they strike me as a wasted opportunity to show just how bleak the war was from the start and just how nastily ole Sheev was corrupting the Republic into the Empire with them acting like soulless killing machines from the getgo only barely tempered and restrained by the Jedi leading them until the inevitable betrayal, and would have slid nicely into their ultimate evolution into Stormtroopers before that shit was retconned.

 

[Blamo2000]

Ok so I should confess something
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I did not care for the Clone Troopers

I am talking all iterations, from those in the prequel movies to those in the Clone Wars cartoon(s), to those in Clone Commando and beyond. In fact I found them annoying each and every time the work tried to make them into unique characters or to go ever further lengths in humanising them and individualising them.

I don't take issue with the general concept of the clone army per se, but feel that making them friendly and cuddly and lovable individuals and mostly best frens with the Jedi until the magic chip in their noggin made them kill niggers said Jedi was fluffy bullshit that cheapened how they were essentially biological robots raised from birth to be sociopathic super-soldiers with zero regard for their own lives and send into the meatgrinder to die in their millions/billions.

I am aware this side of things was not entirely unexplored in nu/old EU but as it stands they strike me as a wasted opportunity to show just how bleak the war was from the start and just how nastily ole Sheev was corrupting the Republic into the Empire with them acting like soulless killing machines from the getgo only barely tempered and restrained by the Jedi leading them until the inevitable betrayal, and would have slid nicely into their ultimate evolution into Stormtroopers before that shit was retconned.

Yeah. Clones were supposed to be Bio Droids basically. Only Commandos and ARC Troopers had more independent thought because their mission profiles demanded it.

I mean the Kaminioan guy said "hey are totally obedient, taking any order without question. We modified their genetic structure to make them less independent than the original host. "

Ironically in some EU stories this hindered Order 66 because the Clones needed to check how is the current Command Hierarchy. This is why Palpatine contacted their Clone Commanders personally. The Supreme Chancellor overwrote the authority of the Jedi Generals. Hell maybe this autism required that the Republic gets Transformer into The Empire. If the Empire had no direct passage of rights and authority, the Clones may be hostile to it by their programming.

Also it nicely shows how corrupt the Republic is and how out of Touch the Jedi are that they are fighting in the name of freedom with an army of slaves against systems that want to be independent. So much for grand ideals.

Also my autism likes how the Clone Army belongs to the republic, so no sector or planet can claim glory, have military experience etc. to actually challenge the Empire. "The Federal Army did everything, you guys did nothing." Not to mention the Heroism of the Jedi was mostly witnessed by literal NPCs, so the Galaxy can feel more alienated from them.

I remember those books, I loved to page through them and read all the little tidbits. Half the reason I love the first two Battlefront games so much is because of those books and then getting to blow up all the droids and vehicles that were in them. As a kid I would even try to get around to the sides and rear of the CIS tanks because I specifically remember in those books it talked about how they had super think armor in the front and my little eight year old brain was convinced the game knew about this and would do more damage if you hit the sides and rear.

Armored Assault Tank, my beloved.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Here's the real question no one has ever asked:

Why do stormtroopers have butt armor?

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Here's the real question no one has ever asked:
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Why do stormtroopers have butt armor?

 

[Screamer_2]

Here's the real question no one has ever asked:
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Why do stormtroopers have butt armor?

 

[Ghostse]

Like in 99.999% of cases its gonna be a ridiculously cheaper, quicker, more effective, and more logistically easy to just send a bunch of guys with guns to take out a target rather than sending some uncontrollable gibbering penis monster and its team of tard wranglers to slowly pick the target off one by one assuming everything goes exactly according to plan, and should things fuck up it then turns into a massive fucking PR and cleanup nightmare at best and at worst results in shit going apocalyptic and thus any and all profit ever made ever going up in smoke along with society.

For Alien, if you dig into VERSIONS of the lore, the reason for wanting Xenomorph bioweapons is the same plan with the Starcraft Psi Emitters:
You stealthily drop a bunch of Xenomorphs onto a planet beset by communists, and not only do all the communists die, but the communist reaction force dies, and finally when you show up with the killswith you look like heroes because you save the few survivors from the problem you created.

The most amusingly shit example I can think of is the second Jurassic World movie in which the culmination of the mutant psycho raptor shit is that it can be trained to attack anything a special laser pointer is aimed at.....as opposed to just attaching said laser pointer to a fucking gun and shooting whatever is being aimed at. The bad guys spent insane amounts of money and resources even before you factor in the criminal shit that would torpedo their operation, in order to make a weapon objectively fucking worse than a basic rifle in every single way imaginable.

Oh god don't get me started on the absolute retardation of that and the dino-auction.

 

[Male Idiot]

Here's the real question no one has ever asked:
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Why do stormtroopers have butt armor?

Why not? A good thing about their armour is that it does not appear heavy like a steel plate.

Death troopers remind me of an armoured up variant of the old Imperial commandos.

The initial films kind of make sense. You can drop the xenomorph onto rebels, and they only lost 1 cargo ship, 1 outpost and 1 prison.

The Alien eu and the Jurassic park can get autistic.
Yeah a raptor could sell to Ngumba the African warlord who is getting bored of feeding his captives to lions, but it isn't something that any modern army would care about.

 

[Adamska]

Yeah a raptor could sell to Ngumba the African warlord who is getting bored of feeding his captives to lions, but it isn't something that any modern army would care about.

I could rant similarly on people who try to defend shit like the Monsterverse. Seriously, is it really that fun if over 80% of those films are insufferable shit actors being insufferably shit? Especially when you can watch just the fight shits later when it comes out in a supercut or something?

Ok so I should confess something
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I did not care for the Clone Troopers

I'll go one further; I actually do not like how the Clone Wars in general were designed and fought going into them. I've grown fond of them now, but I still think robot NPC vs. Bio NPCs was a poor choice in general, especially when you frame it for when it first came out. When I think of Clone Wars without the PT existing, so like around 1998 or so, I thought "oh, they fought the clones". Similar to say the Slave Wars, or the Punic Wars. But that's how prequels inevitably struggle; you are trying to show off things that you barely thought about and showing them to fans who constructed their own takes.

But yeah, Bio Chips make it worse as a whole, and makes Sheev look dumb, since it gives more moving parts for his gambits to fail on.