Well, my favorite comrade Stalin once tried to put the abortion genie back in the bottle and banned abortions throughout the USSR. There were no abortions in the country from 1939 to 1955, but... But then someone got the statistics on female mortality and found a huge anomaly there. The anomaly was associated with underground abortions and was so huge that the ban was lifted. By the way, in the USSR in 1939 there were only about 18 thousand atheists, and many people continued to believe in God in the 1950s.
So a complete ban on abortions leads to some pretty sad things.
Well, my favorite comrade Stalin once tried to put the abortion genie back in the bottle and banned abortions throughout the USSR. There were no abortions in the country from 1939 to 1955, but... But then someone got the statistics on female mortality and found a huge anomaly there. The anomaly was associated with underground abortions and was so huge that the ban was lifted. By the way, in the USSR in 1939 there were only about 18 thousand atheists, and many people continued to believe in God in the 1950s.
So a complete ban on abortions leads to some pretty sad things.
>state bans abortions
>people try to get illegal black market abortions
>they die in the attempt Karmas a bitch like that. Should've kept your fucking legs closed (if the pregnancy was from consensual sex)
Stalin probably thought the same as you. But normal people live by completely different concepts: they want to fuck each other, fuck a lot, but they don't want to have (extra) children from this. And, by and large, normal people don't give a shit about any ideology: religious or political.
Stalin probably thought the same as you. But normal people live by completely different concepts: they want to fuck each other, fuck a lot, but they don't want to have (extra) children from this. And, by and large, normal people don't give a shit about any ideology: religious or political.
Abortion is not only murder, it is also a satanic sacrifice in both form and function. May God have mercy on those who practice or support this horrific ritual.
God had no problem killing Canaanite children in the name of the Israelis. You can smash open newborns' heads if they are offspring of the utterly corrupt. Innocence is clearly subjective.
Now, what should we do with IVF and all those frozen embryos? Anybody on board with paying child support every year for embryos stuck in a freezer?
Plenty of Christians support IVF because it helps them create families. Should they be tried for murder for all those discarded embryos?
>state bans abortions
>people try to get illegal black market abortions
>they die in the attempt Karmas a bitch like that. Should've kept your fucking legs closed (if the pregnancy was from consensual sex)
Should've ejaculated into a sock instead of a vagina. Nothing is stopping men from wearing condoms or pulling out - they just choose not to because it "doesn't feel good."
Perspective from a healthy society:
Don't want kids, don't have sex, it's that simple, it doesn't take much mental capacity to keep your pants on. My taxes should not go to some "medical procedure" that is mostly dedicated for whores, that's a society I don't support. If you want to have sex and not have kids, then I'm only pro abortion if it's followed through by a sterilisation right after, unless it was a consequence of actual rape (a very rare exception where it can be allowed to perform an abortion without the sterilisation).
I honestly believe that all of the fucked up dynamic surrounding dating and "gender roles" and so on is due to birth control/contraceptives and abortions being too easily obtained. You remove the whole "having a baby" part from sex, you end up segregating those two parts mentally and it leads to some really nasty consequences.
Millennials and zoomers don't see it as a "baby making" act, but rather a "casual social" act. Which means that as long there is no STD's or pregnancies, it's ok... and that's how we got pedo acceptance, because if you "don't spread STD's or knocking up someone, what's the harm right?". Like why do you think the "sexual liberation" is closely tied with faggotry, pedos and anti-nihilism?
I think that if you are sexually active and don't see a baby after some time, you become mentally ill because that's not what is supposed to happen naturally, you brain will think that something is wrong and you become more extreme, develop fetishes, hook up with other partners and so on. Men will seek younger women because they think that the woman they were with might have been too old (or just broken ovaries). Women will start looking for other men (other races, more feminized or more extreme masculine men) because she will think the previous partners balls didn't work.
All this because people got access to birth control/contraceptives and abortions. In a healthy society, this stuff would be heavily constrained.
Perspective from an unhealthy society:
We need to cull the niggers! Mandatory abortion, quickly followed by a sterilisation right after the procedure.
If you do have an abortions. I do think we should revoke the voting rights for this person. If you can't take up the role of taking care of one person (you don't have the will of having a kid now), then I doubt that you have the mental capacity to know what is best for a country (many more people).
God had no problem killing Canaanite children in the name of the Israelis. You can smash open newborns' heads if they are offspring of the utterly corrupt. Innocence is clearly subjective.
IVF is unnatural. Any Christian's that support it are not Catholic, and if they claim to be then they are at best severely misguided, and deeply wrong, or at worst outright lying with malicious intent.
We should not be freezing embryos at all. If trying people for murder is what it takes to end that practice then its certainly a measure worth considering, though I suspect there's a less extreme solution.
What is so hard to understand about the concept that sex should only be between a married man and woman in a way that's open to procreation should God decide he want's them to have a child? Stop trying to justify promiscuity, the best method of family planning is abstinence. Learn some self discipline and keep it in your pants.
That is called consistency. You cry about child sacrifice when God demanded the destruction of the offspring of evil people. Clearly, fetal innocence did not matter, because said evil would propagate. Old Testament or not, that's the basis of the faith.
IVF is unnatural. Any Christian's that support it are not Catholic, and if they claim to be then they are at best severely misguided, and deeply wrong, or at worst outright lying with malicious intent.
Plenty of Christians use it. I assume you saw the 180 Alabama did after its Supreme Court ruled embryos are children? They realized how shitty the optics was and promptly legislated to protect it. Trump himself supports IVF.
But since you're consistent: what do you want to do with those frozen embryos? Find a uterus to put them in, dump them, or keep them frozen in perpetuity?
We should not be freezing embryos at all. If trying people for murder is what it takes to end that practice then its certainly a measure worth considering, though I suspect there's a less extreme solution.
Can't wait to see how that plays out in court: how a frozen embryo is considered a full child - but not a citizen - and how it's murder/child abuse to dispose of them. Oh, wait. We've already been there.
Since we're on that: let's see how men will accept paying child support per annum for each frozen embryo as if it were a real child. I bet those moral codes will be thrown right out the window because men absolutely fucking hate child support. And you can have multiple frozen embryos. Fun! Pay up, boy.
There is no "less extreme solution." You want doctors and women jailed for murder, because those are your beliefs. All for a potential pregnancy or a fetus you regard as saintly until they are born. Then they're a government code and "not your problem." Your altruism only extends to your kin.
What is so hard to understand about the concept that sex should only be between a married man and woman in a way that's open to procreation should God decide he want's them to have a child? Stop trying to justify promiscuity, the best method of family planning is abstinence. Learn some self discipline and keep it in your pants.
Because the onus is on the woman, not the man, to stop being a slut. Take the example of the hoodrat that just died: you celebrated her death because she got what she deserved, but not a single person mentioned how the father impregnated the woman and was not involved. Of course, had she lived, she'd still be a parasite because she's a single mother that kept propagating, and single mothers are the bane of civilization.
If more men practiced coitus interruptus - also a sin - there wouldn't be so many abortions. Around 60% of Evangelical women, the ones holding LiveAction placards, get abortions. Should we start hanging them, or...?
That is called consistency. You cry about child sacrifice when God demanded the destruction of the offspring of evil people. Clearly, fetal innocence did not matter, because said evil would propagate. Old Testament or not, that's the basis of the faith.
When it comes to the Old Testament vs the New Testament, the New Testament wins every time. Furthermore, God gives life, and it is his to take away. Who are we to judge God?
Plenty of Christians use it. I assume you saw the 180 Alabama did after its Supreme Court ruled embryos are children? They realized how shitty the optics was and promptly legislated to protect it. Trump himself supports IVF.
Just because Christians do something doesn't make it right. That's not how morality works. If everyone went out and started shooting random people would you say its right because they're doing it?
Trump is a politician, his support means nothing in this instance.
As I said, had we not engaged in this barbaric practice to begin with then this problem would not exist to be solved. Given the reality of the situation, the best option is that their natural parents bring them to term and we end the practice to prevent it being an issue in the future. Of course that solution might not be viable in all cases but that doesn't mean we should just make it a free for all, and cases where the natural parents are not a viable option should be handled on an individual basis to determine what the best viable outcome is.
not a single person mentioned how the father impregnated the woman and was not involved. Of course, had she lived, she'd still be a parasite because she's a single mother that kept propagating, and single mothers are the bane of civilization.
I agree completely, the father should be held accountable and take responsibility for the mother and child, ideally the mother would be his wife. That's how it should be.
If people practiced chastity and only had sex within the bonds of matrimony when they are at least open to the possibility of conception, there would be no abortions at all.
Evangelicals are barely Christians to begin with and, as I said above, just because they do something doesn't make it right. We are all sinners, that doesn't mean we should be permissive of sin.
Since I also oppose the death penalty, hanging isn't the answer either.
Well child support is often adjusted to the needs of the child. Since a frozen embryo doesn't have as many needs I would say the solution is to make the father pay for the cost of storing the embryo.
All for a potential pregnancy or a fetus you regard as saintly until they are born. Then they're a government code and "not your problem." Your altruism only extends to your kin.
Again, you make a strawman of me. Where have I said that children are just "a government code" after birth? If anything we need to be doing more for children, and young parents, to help support them. You clearly have no idea about Catholic efforts to support young mothers and children.
Abortion is not good, and not just because the holy book says so. Killing fetuses should not be normalized and should only be considered in very serious and specific cases or as a last resort with its requirements included, such as the fetus already being a certain number of months old.
What do anti-abortion folks make of situations like ectopic pregnancies and anencephaly - i.e. situations that occur post-conception but present considerable medical risks to women? I should say at the outset that I am generally put off by abortion and don't understand why people seem to struggle with the simple technology of contraceptives. I have heard arguments both ways regarding the medical utility of abortions, but the anti-abortion people are quite resolute and lots of people who say "abortion is medical care" include shit like women simply not wanting to be pregnant as a legitimate medical reason (which I don't buy because of aforementioned contraceptives).
What do anti-abortion folks make of situations like ectopic pregnancies and anencephaly - i.e. situations that occur post-conception but present considerable medical risks to women? I should say at the outset that I am generally put off by abortion and don't understand why people seem to struggle with the simple technology of contraceptives. I have heard arguments both ways regarding the medical utility of abortions, but the anti-abortion people are quite resolute and lots of people who say "abortion is medical care" include shit like women simply not wanting to be pregnant as a legitimate medical reason (which I don't buy because of aforementioned contraceptives).
Also, contraceptives are still wrong. All they are good for is reducing the consequences of promiscuity. The best "contraceptive" is to keep your fucking legs closed until you're married.
I don't always find it unacceptable to kill adults and children. Just depends on the circumstances. I then see no reason why infants ought to receive a blanket exemption.
Well, that baby wouldn't make it anyways, so it's pretty much already "dead" (as far as I know, you can't save the baby in ectopic pregnancies and anencephaly development). I will refer to my postand now add that you really have to make sure it's diagnosed properly (no "hoe logic" doctor shit). The "abortion is medical care" is such a twist of words, a propaganda phrase to make it sound like it's on pair with a broken leg or a heart operation. It's like saying "assisted suicide is medical care".
Medical/health care is about preserving life, as soon "death acceptance" is on the table, it's not really medical/health care anymore... it's something else.
If liberals think abortion ought to be normalized then how come they all run away after I show them my preserved fetus collection? They're just clumps of cells! Stop running! I SAID STOP RUNNING, BITCH!!! DON'T MAKE ME CHASE YOU DOWN!!!!
If liberals think abortion ought to be normalized then how come they all run away after I show them my preserved fetus collection? They're just clumps of cells! Stop running! I SAID STOP RUNNING, BITCH!!! DON'T MAKE ME CHASE YOU DOWN!!!!
I don't give a fuck about any of this but I don't get how hypocritical everyone is, mutually. Pro-Disability autist progressives who think a child getting a hearing aid is Deaf (capitalize the d of course) Genocide don't care about disabled children getting aborted, while I have seen unironic fascists who are pro-eugenics and anti-abortion. Lol wut?
the real question as to whether it bothers me is: what race is it
Semi-necroing the thread to say:
Yes there is a point where a fetus is "just a clump of cells" and not really anything that resembles human life. But that point is before most of these women even know they're pregnant, and far before they schedule abortions. The gross and disingenuous thing is that the liberal arguments in favor of abortion have merit and apply... to like, very first weeks of pregnancy. So they use this kernel of sense to override people's instinctual understanding that cutting a baby out of a mother is a horrible act that should only be done in dire emergencies.
Well, my favorite comrade Stalin once tried to put the abortion genie back in the bottle and banned abortions throughout the USSR. There were no abortions in the country from 1939 to 1955, but... But then someone got the statistics on female mortality and found a huge anomaly there. The anomaly was associated with underground abortions and was so huge that the ban was lifted. By the way, in the USSR in 1939 there were only about 18 thousand atheists, and many people continued to believe in God in the 1950s.
So a complete ban on abortions leads to some pretty sad things.
The just desserts of a mother that murders her own child.
This and euthanasia together - plus Malthusianism - have moved me far closer to the “consistent life ethic” and improved my opinion of Catholicism. I support executions, but I’m much less in favor of them precisely because I see Western civilization turning into a death cult.
What bums me out most is how nobody cares about anybody except that they can speak to them. People in the future. Foreigners like Uighurs working in gulag sweatshops. Child laborers. Proxy wars all over the world and drone strikes. Illegals holding the American slave economy up. Indifference to animal welfare in factory farming. And abortion.
Most people are humanoids. Weak sense of morality. Take all their marching orders from other people.
They rely on dehumanization to justify what is self-evidently unjustifiable, and it works because the victim is out of sight and out of mind.
