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Say those who constantly fuck around with non other than God.
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Jesus Christ it looks like Somalia
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There was a hiccup in the prisoner/hostage exchanges after todays' hostages released by Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad were threatened by a mob of while being handed over to the Red Cross. They all made it back to Israel okay, but the Israeli government said it would pause the release of prisoners until it received adequate reassurance that this wouldn't happen again -- that hostages released in the future wouldn't be forced to run the gauntlet through a horde of bloodthirsty Gazans.
Apparently the mediators succeeded in placating the Israelis, because the release of prisoners is now set to resume.
A few interesting details of how Hamas/PIJ staged the release: some of the civilian hostages were dressed in olive fatigues, I suppose to make them look more like legitimate prisoners of war. Some hostages received Hamas "gift bags" and certificates. There are photos of hostage Agam Berger being made to pose in front of a backdrop reading "PALESTINE - THE VICTORY OF THE OPPRESSED PEOPLE VS THE NAZI ZIONISM"
Apparently the mediators succeeded in placating the Israelis, because the release of prisoners is now set to resume.
A few interesting details of how Hamas/PIJ staged the release: some of the civilian hostages were dressed in olive fatigues, I suppose to make them look more like legitimate prisoners of war. Some hostages received Hamas "gift bags" and certificates. There are photos of hostage Agam Berger being made to pose in front of a backdrop reading "PALESTINE - THE VICTORY OF THE OPPRESSED PEOPLE VS THE NAZI ZIONISM"
Link/ArchiveFurious over ‘shocking scenes’ of hostage handover, Israel delays release of prisoners
Release of detainees held as Israel demanded guarantee from mediators for future ‘safe passage’ of hostages; Trump envoy ‘hopeful’ deal’s next stages will be implemented
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday slammed the “shocking scenes” of mob chaos at the Gaza handover of two Israeli hostages and five Thai hostages to the Red Cross, and delayed Israel’s reciprocal release of Palestinian security prisoners as he demanded mediators prevent a repeat in future hostage releases.
“I view with utmost severity the shocking scenes during the release of our hostages,” Netanyahu said in a statement. “This is additional proof of the inconceivable brutality of the Hamas terrorist organization.”
The prime minister said he was insisting that “mediators ensure that such terrible scenes do not recur, and guarantee the safety of our hostages.” He added that “whoever dares to harm our hostages will pay.”
His office later said Israel had indeed been given the necessary guarantees from mediators “that our hostages will be guaranteed safe passageway in the next releases.”
“Israel insists that lessons be learned and that the next rounds will have greater care in ensuring the safe return of our hostages,” it added.
The message from the Prime Minister’s Office did not directly address the delay in releasing 110 Palestinian prisoners, which was held up following Israeli anger over the threatening crowds that surrounded hostages Arbel Yehoud, Gadi Mozes, Pongsak Thenna, Sathian Suwannakham, Watchara Sriaoun, Bannawat Seathao and Surasak Lamnau as they were handed over to the Red Cross in the late morning.
The delayed release of the prisoners was set to restart around 5 p.m.
Yehoud and Mozes were transferred to the Red Cross in southern Gaza’s Khan Younis in the midst of shoving and shouting masses that surrounded the vehicles and delayed their handover. Shortly afterward, the five Thais — Thenna, Suwannakham, Sriaoun, Seathao and Lamnau — were also transferred to the Red Cross as the angry crowd closed in around them.
The chaos was followed closely by shocked Israel journalists and Israelis around the country, as a handover that should have taken minutes dragged out for over an hour, with terror operatives fighting off the unruly crowds to get the hostages to the Red Cross cars.
President Isaac Herzog also criticized the release in Khan Younis, saying that “the moments of horror during [the hostages’] transfer to the Red Cross were nerve-wracking and unacceptable.”
In response to a query from The Times of Israel on Wednesday, the International Committee of the Red Cross said that it does not have control over the conduct of Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad during handovers.
“The ICRC is in contact with all sides regarding the terms of the release of hostages and detainees,” organization spokesman Gilad Grossman said. “While we bring up our concerns, we are not the ones who determine these terms.”
Meanwhile, Trump envoy Steve Witkoff, who is credited with playing a critical role in reaching the current ceasefire-hostage deal, visited four previously freed hostages at the hospital, and also met with families of those still held captive.
During his visit to the Tel Aviv Museum plaza now known as Hostages Square, Witkoff indicated that an American citizen would be freed on Saturday.
US media reports had indicated that American-Israeli hostage Keith Siegel was to be freed on Thursday along with Agam Berger and Arbel Yehoud, but instead Gadi Mozes was released. The other hostages with US citizenship who are believed to still be alive are Edan Alexander — who is not slated for release in the first stage — and Sagui Dekel-Chen, who is expected to be freed in the coming weeks.
Siegel, at 65, is the oldest and so would be expected to be the first among them to return.
Asked about the likelihood that the next stages of the ceasefire deal would come to fruition, Witkoff said: “I’m hopeful that it will, that people are working towards it.”
“President Trump is committed to doing everything possible to help the families,” he said.
Witkoff added that “it’s a great day for the State of Israel.”
During his meeting with the families of hostages, Witkoff spoke with Yocheved Lifshitz, who was freed from captivity in October 2023 but whose husband, Oded Lifshitz, 84, is still held captive: “I’m so happy you’ve home,” he told her, saying she reminded him of his own mother.
Oded Lifshitz is slated to be returned during the first stage of the deal, although his family said this week that there is “grave concern” over his fate. It is known that eight of the 33 hostages being returned in phase one are no longer alive.
“Everybody is feeling how wonderful it is that we’re saving lives — that’s the most important thing is,” Witkoff told the families. “But it’s also important that we bring home people who [are no longer alive, so that parents] can bury their children… they have to be able to bury them,” he added, to a chorus of agreement in the room.
Earlier in the day, Witkoff also met at Rabin Medical Center with Naama Levy, Karina Ariev, Liri Albag and Daniella Gilboa, who were freed from captivity on Saturday.
Before that, Witkoff met with Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer, Shas chairman Aryeh Deri and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich in Jerusalem.
Smotrich is seen as one of the government’s most strident opponents to continuing beyond the first phase of the ceasefire deal, threatening to quit the coalition and bring down the government if Israel does not resume fighting in Gaza.
I don't understand why people are "dumb"ing this; the Biblical Jews' readiness to wrangle with God is their defining flaw and their defining virtue both.
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Israel could really use a Museum of FAFO
Imagine citing a shithole like the UK, do you have a loicense for that knoife
In civilized countries rather than backwards shitholes like Israel or Birmingham we have this principle called "innocent until proven guilty", perhaps you've heard of it
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Lol. Lmao even.
You've heard of Gitmo, right? Or the drone strikes of US citizens by Obama and no doubt other Presidents?
Pray tell, can you inform me of what jury convicted Abdulrahman al-Awlaki before a US drone strike killed him?
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NYT (Peter Beinart): States Don’t Have a Right to Exist. People Do. (archive)
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Uh guys they made a peace deal. Peace in the middle east happened finally.
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"The Last Day" of what?
Another day, another exhibition of monstrous stupidity by the New York Times. This columnist faults Israel for defining itself as a Jewish state despite claiming to democratically represent non-Jewish citizens. Somehow, he fails to remark on the fact that, in Israel, Arabs can safely live, work, vote, own property, practice Islam if they wish, and serve in government, whereas in a dozen of Israel's Muslim neighbors, the Jewish population has been driven out and its property stolen. He paints the lives of Arabs in Israel as a few degrees removed from slavery and accuses diaspora Jews of idolizing the Jewish state, followed by the usual litany of accusations: the Gaza Strip is an open-air prison, Israel is committing genocide, Israel is an apartheid state, blah blah blah, validated by statements from Amnesty International and other groups that no Zionist is likely to consider authoritative. I wonder if he thinks he's communicating with anyone other than the already-converted?
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Just remember the arabs can have all the arab and islamic states they want but God help us all if the Jews want a state. Fuck how many nations are catholic or some type of Christian officially?
Jesus Christ, Am I reading Der stormer?
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Once again, I am left waiting for a single anti-Israel argument that could not have been used (with minor changes) in the 40s to argue that the Nazis were the good guys.
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A Palestinian van of peace drove into a funeral procession for Hezbollah terrorists in Sarafand, Lebanon:
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Hamas is saying that it will release Yarden Bibas tomorrow as part of the ransom deal. Hamas still holds his wife and their baby and child hostage. There is confirmed report of on the state of his wife and children, so they are assumed to be alive.
Some months ago, Hamas published a video of Yarden in captivity, having told him that his wife and two children are dead. It is worth noting that Hamas previously said one of the other hostages was killed by an Israeli airstrike but then she was later released alive this past week.
Also Hamas finally admitted that Israel eliminated Deif after lying about it for 6 months saying that he is alive, well, and laughing at the announcement of his elimination.
Some months ago, Hamas published a video of Yarden in captivity, having told him that his wife and two children are dead. It is worth noting that Hamas previously said one of the other hostages was killed by an Israeli airstrike but then she was later released alive this past week.
Also Hamas finally admitted that Israel eliminated Deif after lying about it for 6 months saying that he is alive, well, and laughing at the announcement of his elimination.
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Mandy Damari, mother of released British-Israeli hostage Emily Damari, tweeted that she and Emily had spoken by phone with UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer, and confirmed that Emily had been held in UNRWA facilities while being provided no medical care.
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Shiri and the children may unfortunately very well be dead, but I also wouldn't be surprised if Hamas is bucking the terms of the ceasefire agreement and holding them for last (at least last of Phase I) to ensure that Israel follows through on their side until the end— alive or dead, the boys have to be considered the most valuable hostages at this point.
They really are just that fucking stupid.
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Daniella Gilboa wasn't even the first hostage they lied about; back in November 2023, PIJ announced that hostage Hanna Katzir had died in captivity ( a ), only for her to be released alive ( a ) literally just days later.
Shiri and the children may unfortunately very well be dead, but I also wouldn't be surprised if Hamas is bucking the terms of the ceasefire agreement and holding them for last (at least last of Phase I) to ensure that Israel follows through on their side until the end— alive or dead, the boys have to be considered the most valuable hostages at this point.
Which means they're also admitting that Deif was knowingly working out of a designated humanitarian zone, and thus the airstrike in Al Mawasi that killed him, which "shocked and saddened" ( a ) UNSG Guterres, was actually justified.
They really are just that fucking stupid.
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What are we sending the UNRHAMAS all those billions of dollars every year for, if not to facilitate Hamas' hostage keeping activities and festival goer murder sprees?
Time for my country to send the UNRWA a few more hundred millions.
Time for my country to send the UNRWA a few more hundred millions.
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To play Devil's advocate, many of the UNRWA buildings were abandoned during the various evacuations. The staff/organization may not have been fully complicit, but we'll see.
Hamas lying about hostages isn't surprising. It makes you wonder what else they may be lying about.
Hamas lying about hostages isn't surprising. It makes you wonder what else they may be lying about.
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sir, sir, I'm afraid you might be huffing copium. it's been a long track record of the Arabs using the United Nations to fuck over Israel and unrwa is only the new one. remember in the 1970s they tried to get the UN general Assembly to declare that Zionism is racism (because it was the '70s and racism was the word to use in the same way apartheid as the new word to use). most of the UN resolutions passed by the UN general Assembly are against Israel. you know instead of Cuba, China, Russia, Iran, Yemen, any number of African countries, Belarus, fucking North Korea. so instead of looking to fix the world, they just focus on Israel, a first world country.