Trade War 2025 - You get tariffs and you get tariffs, tariffs for everyone!

[DJ McHamfist]

But then again, I see retards that claim that the cost of Avocado will now go up 25% immediately.
Because US depends on imports from Canada for Avocados. Really? REALLY? Canada is a major exporter of Avocado to the US?

I think they're referring to the 25% tariffs on Mexico, the main exporter of avocados. That said, it is a stupid fucking take. Who gives a damn about avocados

 

[Cuckoman]

There's also the environmental red tape, and other bullshit. My point being is that IF the real reason for this is to attract business, instead of beating up other countries to attract companies, which probably won't work, they should make the USA more attractive.

Tariffs are absolutely the right tool to use to attract businesses. Most businesses operate on relatively thin margins of a few percent to make profit. Slapping tariffs on goods make those goods more expensive due to the geography where the goods are produced. This in turn can make it profitable to re-locate a factory or other business to a different geography where the tariffs will not affect the business. Tariffs make the business uncompetitive so the business relocates to become competitive again.

This happens all the time when tariffs are used. Trump last time used tariffs to get a massive amount of manufactoring plants and jobs to relocate back to american soil last time around, creating good jobs for americans in those factories. There is ample proof that this happens and the US uses tariffs all the time for this and other reasons.
Tariffs were not invented by Trump but are used all the time.

Similarly, while not being tariffs, the US has successfully driven energy prices in europe to make them uncompetitive. This has caused enormous numbers of business and facotries to shut down in Europe to move and relocate to america where energy is cheaper. So they become more competitive.


Sure, it could be seen as unethical to basically threaten foreign business with "we will make it so expensive for you to do business that you will go under, unless yo move the factory to US soil". But that is how it works.
Canadian tariffs are unlikely to last very long though. Just long enough to get Turdo to shut the fuck up and get in line. Then they will go back to ~10-15% where the canadian tariffs have always been.

 

[Hojicha]

M•A•C is Canadian, why aren't they buying from them?

Cus mac is for old womennnnn

 

[Awssum Possum]

This is retarded and will raise prices for everyone, Trump runs the country like he's playing Sim City or some shit

 

[DJ McHamfist]

e seen as unethical to basically threaten foreign business with "we will make it so expensive for you to do business that you will go under, unless yo move the factory to US soil". But that is how it works.
Canadian tariffs are unlikely to last very long though. Just long enough to get Turdo to shut the fuck up and get in line. Then they will go back to ~10-15% where the canadian tariffs have always been.

I get this, and it all makes sense to me. But what doesn't make sense is that these are close partners who are traded with massively. So the impact of the tariffs will be huge and painful for all involved. Is it really in the USA's interests to make Mexicans and Canadians poorer? If that happens, where do people think they'll head to to try to earn a better living?

I also don't like the fact that if this is true, and if it is why he's doing it, then the explanation I read on the EO is disingenuous, since it talks pretty much constantly about fentanyl. I don't like the lies. That's a left playbook tactic. Just be straight with people

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

since it talks pretty much constantly about fentanyl. I don't like the lies. That's a left playbook tactic. Just be straight with people

Canada isn't really responsible for U.S. fentanyl. It's Mexico and the cartels. The Canadian tariffs don't seem to make much sense, and may just seem to be out of spite.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I'm not sure Trump is actually serious about pushing to Annex Canada. That is a bit of a sensationalist red herring in my view. He's serious about Greenland though. I think what is going on here is he is rattling Ottawa's cage a bit. There is probably also personal animus between him and Trudeau considering the latter's penchant for moonlighting as a darling for the progressive left in America.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I get this, and it all makes sense to me. But what doesn't make sense is that these are close partners who are traded with massively. So the impact of the tariffs will be huge and painful for all involved. Is it really in the USA's interests to make Mexicans and Canadians poorer? If that happens, where do people think they'll head to to try to earn a better living?

I also don't like the fact that if this is true, and if it is why he's doing it, then the explanation I read on the EO is disingenuous, since it talks pretty much constantly about fentanyl. I don't like the lies. That's a left playbook tactic. Just be straight with people

It is in the US's interest to stop the drugs as well as establish economic dominance in the region. This isn't either or. It can be both at once.

You also neglect the fact Trump wants Canada, but without a hot war. This is how he gets it. He breaks their backs until they take up that longstanding offer since the founding of the Union for Canada to join the USA, no questions asked.

 

[DJ McHamfist]

It is in the US's interest to stop the drugs as well as establish economic dominance in the region. This isn't either or. It can be both at once.

You also neglect the fact Trump wants Canada, but without a hot war. This is how he gets it. He breaks their backs until they take up that longstanding offer since the founding of the Union for Canada to join the USA, no questions asked.

We already have economic dominance in the region, by a looooong way. Closest is Brazil, and the US is more than 10 times larger.

There's not a cat in hell's chance he's getting Canada. If it happened, and I'm never saying never, it won't happen in the next 4 years.

 

[metroid_fetish_ii]

Canada isn't really responsible for U.S. fentanyl. It's Mexico and the cartels. The Canadian tariffs don't seem to make much sense, and may just seem to be out of spite.

Let's not forget he pardoned an extremely successful drug dealer the other day that was heavily responsible for the uptick in fent usage in the USA.

 

[Fapcop]

Canada isn't really responsible for U.S. fentanyl. It's Mexico and the cartels. The Canadian tariffs don't seem to make much sense, and may just seem to be out of spite.

If it’s coming in through Mexico, along with precursors streaming into Vancouver, you bet it’s Canada’s responsibility.

Likewise with immigration. The vast majority of illegals with a terrorist record came in from Canada.

 

[FailurePersonifiedV2]

He isn't saying the tariffs are anything to do with business. He says it's because Mexico and Canada aren't stopping drugs in some some of nebulous way that he wants them to. I suppose he could be playing big-brained 4d chess, but I don't think this is a smart move either way

I'm a Trump supporter, and most of his other moves have been great. But this fast jump to 25% tariffs is fucking retarded. If this were about business, drop the corporate tax to 1% and see the companies flood back. You catch more flies with honey than shit.

First point I want to make is that you really shouldn’t, even if you voted for someone, take their words at face value. Politics is a lot of cloak and dagger, it requires optics and all that bullshit.
The drugs are a bonus, not the main issue he’s tackling. There are other ways to approach drugs that doesn’t require intervention from foreigners.

Corporate tax? Dog they have been finding ways to not pay taxes all across the board for as long as they’ve existed. 1% of 10 billion is still too much for these greedy fuckers to let go of. Even if they were to appreciate the kindness, that still doesn’t seem like incentive enough to actually see them subjugate themselves to our laws by moving manufacturing and by extension, exporting through us.

These companies are not good natured, they are the equivalent of mercenaries in commerce; if it were me I’d have most executives hung at high noon but I’ll take the tariffs.

My concern is this rashness turns four years of potential action into two. Trump is in a unique position because his second term led to the Republicans gaining more power and control of Congress, making him stronger instead of a lame duck. Instead of having nothing he can do, he's got nothing to lose.

However, if the Republicans lose control of the House or Senate due to economic hardship or severe inflation in 2026, it's game over. They'll also likely obstruct any appointments to the judicial branch up to the SCOTUS.

Congress also needs to get its shit together and start pushing actual legislation to lock in populist, meritocratic policies by law. Every single outstanding EO in the history of the United States could be repealed by the next President, they are not a sound foundation for real reform.

That’s something I am a bit worried about.
I’m optimistic that manufacturers will already be mobilized by the vacuum that will appear sooner than later; brand loyalty is a thing and this is a good opportunity to price out older, imported products at lower prices. If he is as serious as I think he is about phracking I think we could see gas prices drop within a year.

I’m skeptical of Congress, they seem pretty content acting like a member of the “uniparty” which we are told time and time again doesn’t exist. I think we have better chances with the economics route to win voters over.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

Let's not forget he pardoned an extremely successful drug dealer

If you're talking about Ross, he was pardoned mainly to fulfill a promise to Libertarians. He wasn't necessarily a drug dealer either, but an idealistic guy who attempted to make a financial website that was free of centralized banking through unregulated transactions. People used his platform for that unfortunately.

If it’s coming in through Mexico, along with precursors streaming into Vancouver, you bet it’s Canada’s responsibility.

If we're thinking objectively, China is the biggest producer of illegal fentanyl. It would have made more sense to put bigger tariffs on China, but Trump did the opposite. Even logically, China is a bigger threat to the US than Canada.

 

[metroid_fetish_ii]

If you're talking about Ross, he was pardoned mainly to fulfill a promise to Libertarians. He wasn't necessarily a drug dealer either, but an idealistic guy who attempted to make a financial website that was free of centralized banking through unregulated transactions. People used his platform for that unfortunately.

If we're thinking objectively, China is the biggest producer of illegal fentanyl. It would have made more sense to put bigger tariffs on China, but Trump did the opposite.

Yes, that's who I am talking about. I don't particularly care if he's a good boy who dindu nuffin wrong. His watch, his responsibility. He took the cut of the profits and will live an extremely comfortable life on the backs and corpses of the lives his website ruined. Also, does that mean the Sackler family is on the hook? Trump going to go after Perdue?

Spoiler

lol, no.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

His watch, his responsibility. He took the cut of the profits and will live an extremely comfortable life on the backs and corpses of the lives his website ruined.

I mean, to be honest, I've dealt with drug addicts, and they deserve some of the blame for their troubles. It's not always the dealer's fault, even though Ross wasn't one himself.

Also, does that mean the Sackler family is on the hook? Trump going to go after Perdue?

This isn't really the "Trump Derangement Syndrome" thread so I can't really comment on that.

 

[BlackDragoons]

You also neglect the fact Trump wants Canada, but without a hot war. This is how he gets it. He breaks their backs until they take up that longstanding offer since the founding of the Union for Canada to join the USA, no questions asked.

Or you know they can just take a 3rd option and just stop doing business with the US and increase trade deals with other nations.

 

[gata]

I support trump with this mostly because I want the smug faggot leafs to cope and seethe.
I have to see their pretentious ass "I'm much better than america! Le politeness and maple syrup XD" ever since the 2000s days of the internet and I'm gonna enjoy their suffering.
I know it's petty and stupid to think this way but I don't care.

M•A•C is Canadian, why aren't they buying from them?

I remember someone saying that MAC experiments on animals, so they ain't getting support.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Or you know they can just take a 3rd option and just stop doing business with the US and increase trade deals with other nations.

LMAO. With what navy? They only have one land border. Everything else has to be shipped out. Meaning it has to be guarded by the Canadian Navy, which is horribly underfunded. LMAO

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

I know it's petty and stupid to think this way but I don't care.

It's actually good not to be so obsessed with politics all the time to point you lose your mind. Having the ability to laugh once in a while doesn't hurt.

 

[greatUncleShitHeel]

Right - time for me to blather as an ignorant foreigner.

Not to mention, long term, this is just going to send countries running to China, Russia, or other nations that don't flip out and threaten tariffs when they don't immediately get their way.

I like how you assume they don't play this game as well. Sure they play it differently, but still play it. As someone far more familiar dealing with Chinese shenanigans, it mostly boils down to the Extend, Embrace, Extinguish approach.

By the time the tariffs actually start hurting Americans Mexico and Canada will have taken hundreds of billions worth of loss and and be on the edge of complete economic collapse, if not already into full economic implosion.

I agree with the logic, but I think the tariffs on Mexico and Canada will be reduced as they get the desired affect. For Mexico - deal with the Southern Border & the caravans. If they make a concerted effort to deal with the cartels I can see them being eased. Canada has to pull back from licking China and India's taint and actually behave like a neighbour.
The Chinese tarriffs will stay regardless.

We should have tackled these issues first before attempting anything with tariffs or protectionism. Getting the illegal immigration situation under control should also be a higher priority - secure the border, deport illegals, provide training and education for targeted sectors to create a pool of skilled workers for domestic manufacturing.

I understand this logic - but why not both?